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Hi, well I read this (posted somewhere else) report by the International Crisis Group. This is serious stuff (point in the monument thread), and as a Sunni, I understand fully what this report talks about. Here is a link to the report, scary imo if nothin happens about it.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?l=1&id=3404

Post your thoughts about this. I'll comment later.
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cazanova said:
I think the current constitution is in favour for the sunnah to remain in power, so why they should change???
cazanova is this a question or a suggestion?
Ok, bein a Sunni, am happy with the way things are goin for us, but again, am a Bahraini, and my brothers in the country also need to live like we live, and above all, let's not forget we're muslims (mostly) and Islam urges equality.

Doin a quick reality check, the situation is a far cry from bein solved. The things you read in the papers are propaganda mostly (some is true but still things really need to be changed).

The constitution is not even complete, has good it's good points, but again it has it's flaws, and one of them is freedom of speech, and it has been highlighted as one of the areas that need to be developed. By just livin in th west, you'll see the true meanin of freedom of speech, or just when ur travelin, pick up a newspaper and see. Ya we're much better than neighbouring countries, but remember, Bahrain is a pioneer and has always been a model for the Arab World, and we don't want to see it goin backward when it has a promising future ahead, allowin it to shine more than ever. We're the only country in the Gulf with political parties and opposition, none of the other countries in the GCC allow that.


About unemployment, I'd have to say that the comment about that "Bahrain hasn't invented unemployment" is quite ignorant, no offence. What you suggestin is that we don't do anythin and just forget it. If there wasn't that serious problem, why do u think all those reforms are takin place to create 100,000 jobs in the next decade.

I'll discuss this later, but my point is, equality and fairness and let's keep leading the way, before others pass us, that's the message.

Out of interest, here is an article posted in Kansas (not even the Arab World):


This is incredibly encouraging. From the place that just released detained bloggers, the majority Shiite protested against the government demanding reform!

MANAMA (Reuters) - Tens of thousands have marched in one of Bahrain’s largest opposition demonstrations
to demand democratic reforms in the pro-Western Gulf Arab state.

Friday’s peaceful march, called by the Shi’ite-led opposition, follows unsuccessful talks with the government on
constitutional reforms to give greater powers to parliament’s elected assembly, which is on an equal footing with a
state-appointed chamber.

Bahrain, the Gulf’s banking hub and home to the U.S. Navy’s Fifth Fleet, has introduced some reforms, but the
opposition, led by the country’s majority Shi’ite Muslims, want more rights in the small Sunni-ruled island state.

Interior Minister Sheikh Rashed bin Abdullah al-Khalifa called for legal action against organisers for holding the
march despite being refused a permit, the state news agency BNA said.

Sheikh Rashed said his ministry did not issue the permit due to regional “tension and security threats”. He did
not elaborate.

Sheikh Ali Salman, a cleric who heads a main opposition group, earlier told marchers: “This gathering is
demanding a constitution that is agreed upon by everybody, to bring the country out of a crisis which cripples its
progress and reforms.” Organisers estimated the crowd at about 80,000.

“Bahrain is suffering from policies that harm the nation — corruption, unemployment and poverty. There is an
urgent need for reforms,” he added.

This is incredibly good news. Al Jazeera is actually being helpful in providing information, and is reporting that the government plans to move against the protestors in unspecified measures.

Bahrain has warned it will take unspecified measures against the Gulf state’s main Shia opposition group after it organised a mass demonstration in defiance of a government ban.

The Islamic National Accord Association (INAA) “will face legal measures after it organised an unlawful demonstration yesterday,” Information Minister and State Minister for Foreign Affairs Muhammad Abd al-Ghaffar was quoted by the daily Al-Ayyam as saying on Saturday.

Newspapers carried a similar warning issued by the interior minister late on Friday after thousands of people took to the streets of Sitra, the archipelago’s third largest island located south of Manama, in response to the INAA’s call to press for constitutional reforms.

INAA leader Shaikh Ali Salman led the march, in which representatives of three other political groupings allied with his association - the leftist National Democratic Action Association, the Nationalist Democratic Rally, which is a pan-Arab nationalist group, and the Islamic Action Association, a Shia grouping - also took part.

Babbling Bahrania has a bit more on a woman activist and the constitutional reforms that took place between the 70s and now. It seems the opposition’s intent with this protest was to pressure the government to move more legislative and oversight powers to the elected parliament.
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actually guys, this article shows a point of view of a shi'ite who hates sunnites i would like to know who wrote this, because just to let you know shi'ites are 50% of bahrain maybe more but not 70% nor 60% and seriously they isolate themselves(the shi'ites) and they aren't poor... they live that way with mut'a and all those heretical practises. Moody sunnis and shi'ites are really ''brothers'' did you ever read the book talbees iblees? If not then please do, shi'ites are outlaws of the islamic creed(aqeeda) they dont follow what muhammad*SAWS* brought, they follow many iranians and majus, believing they follow Ali*KAW* the shi'ite arabs (who are originaly arabs and not iranians) are few in iraq they are only 10% of the shi'ites...

anyways this Article isnt fair! it shows that the shi'its are living in a dump or something close to a dump, thought if they shi'ites isolate themselves and live in ghettos like they always do in the west, and all the rest of the world, except iran because they are the majority :), they shouldn't blame the goverment for that! The only shi'ites who kind of integrate in society are the rich ones, like the ones in kuwait and the UAE. This article is 10000% for shi'ites Skyline is right they keep showing that the shi'ites are poor, need help, they are oppressed and all thought they really arent....

And by the way Bahraini spirit, if we would like to talk about islam never forget islam is a way of life and has its law(sharia) we use all of it! or none of it! because half half is against islam. Which won't happen because this is against the goverment so we are better off not talking about islam, if we want to all of the laws should be islamic or it will be against islam!
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Dude, first it's 70% in Bahrain and it's been known as a fact, even before it was 75% of the population. It never was 50%, we Bahrainis know that as a fact. Really our point of discussion isn't really about the fact that Shiite's are poor and they need help or the fact that they live in a dump, the thing here is mainly about what the constitution needs to tackle and how could things be changed.

This article is one viewpoint, there are others, but I just wanted to share it and have a constructive debate here about what needs to be done in Bahrain.
Ya I've seen that, thanks for posting. A lot of ppl want the 1973 constitution back. I personally believe that a Shura council with half elected and half assigned is better as long as the elected meet a rigorous criteria (well educated, politics/econcomics/IT or any much needed background degree holder.

At the moment given that the current elected parliament is full of clowns, the shura council is coverin up mostly so that's ok to block nonsense proposals, but when the 2006 elections come and please God, we end up with educated ppl that will service the country, then the Shura thing needs to change.
Anas Anani said:
actually guys, this article shows a point of view of a shi'ite who hates sunnites i would like to know who wrote this, because just to let you know shi'ites are 50% of bahrain maybe more but not 70% nor 60% and seriously they isolate themselves(the shi'ites) and they aren't poor... they live that way with mut'a and all those heretical practises. Moody sunnis and shi'ites are really ''brothers'' did you ever read the book talbees iblees? If not then please do, shi'ites are outlaws of the islamic creed(aqeeda) they dont follow what muhammad*SAWS* brought, they follow many iranians and majus, believing they follow Ali*KAW* the shi'ite arabs (who are originaly arabs and not iranians) are few in iraq they are only 10% of the shi'ites...

anyways this Article isnt fair! it shows that the shi'its are living in a dump or something close to a dump, thought if they shi'ites isolate themselves and live in ghettos like they always do in the west, and all the rest of the world, except iran because they are the majority :), they shouldn't blame the goverment for that! The only shi'ites who kind of integrate in society are the rich ones, like the ones in kuwait and the UAE. This article is 10000% for shi'ites Skyline is right they keep showing that the shi'ites are poor, need help, they are oppressed and all thought they really arent....

And by the way Bahraini spirit, if we would like to talk about islam never forget islam is a way of life and has its law(sharia) we use all of it! or none of it! because half half is against islam. Which won't happen because this is against the goverment so we are better off not talking about islam, if we want to all of the laws should be islamic or it will be against islam!
Anas it is very clear that you have an extremely limited knowledge on Bahraini society and our local politics. Im not even going to bother arguing with you on why you are wrong on so many different levels. It is people like you that put a strain on Islam and prevent it from advancing in the eyes of the world. Fortunately most people in Bahrain (Sunni and Shia) recognize the importance of equality and there are people working hard to abolish all forms of discrimination within our country. It is clear that you have been influenced by you're country's rigid islamic policies that do not tolerate the equality of those who differ. Fortunately (despite the problems) we are way past the political level that your country is in right now. So why dont you do us all a favour and waste youre efforts in a place where you will be taken seriously. have a nice day.
Bahraini Spirit said:
Ya I've seen that, thanks for posting. A lot of ppl want the 1973 constitution back. I personally believe that a Shura council with half elected and half assigned is better as long as the elected meet a rigorous criteria (well educated, politics/econcomics/IT or any much needed background degree holder.

At the moment given that the current elected parliament is full of clowns, the shura council is coverin up mostly so that's ok to block nonsense proposals, but when the 2006 elections come and please God, we end up with educated ppl that will service the country, then the Shura thing needs to change.
So you agree with me Bahraini spirit that we need well educated ppl like the ppl in Shura to prevent destructive decisions which the Nuwad could come up with.
And what if the nuwab in 2006 are same as the existing ones clowns or maybe worse?
Skyline-BRN said:
Your so called 'article' was a direct response to my reply to your first message. In youre response im sure you cleary said...
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You know, this was a very cheap try ! hehehehehee


I didn't talk to you, I didn't mention you ...!!!

Elli 3ala rasa ba67a, yet7asasha... is it the case with you or what?
Moody said:
Elli 3ala rasa ba67a, yet7asasha... is it the case with you or what?
hehehe... nice one moody :runaway:

Bahraini spirit, allah eysam7ek 3alla hal thread ppl will start fighting now :jk:

Any way i think this case is very sensitive which the government it self finding difficulty to sort out and I don't think we will come up with a resolution through these arguments, were just wasting our time here. :bash:
So please let’s go back to the nice conversation about nice projects keeping behind us that Sunni and Shiite things.
Guys i really love it when we all together like brothers without any discrimination like what we did to the guy who said arabs are stinks.
Oh, guys we can still talk about some thing similar, which we will all agree with, it's MP's thread. :)
Moody said:
You know, this was a very cheap try ! hehehehehee


I didn't talk to you, I didn't mention you ...!!!

Elli 3ala rasa ba67a, yet7asasha... is it the case with you or what?
ive explained my self once and i dont need to explain again. :weirdo:
I agree with what you said B-Spirit, but still mantain my point...The current situation, having a shura council, may have turned out somewhat favorable as they block the MP's nonesensical and backward proposals, but this didn't happen as a result of the government's vision and foresight...The situation is the way it is to limit the MP's powers...

I don't believe theres a significant disparity between Sunni's and Shiites in Bahrain in general...In specific cases, when it comes to specific governmental jobs sunni's are probably given a sort of priority...but i don't think there's significant poverty in Bahrain that is specific to shiites...

And as for ANAS, MY GOD, i don't like labeling people as this is a civilized forum and its meant for Bahrainis btw, but you seem to be an ignorant, closeminded, brainwashed, racist person....Your comments are very offensive and ignorant, soo please don't participate any further in this thread, as you're views are clearly wrong, misinformed, and destructive...

And as for casanova, we are seeking reforms, the establishment of a strong educated and enlightened parliment, a new dimension of democracy which gives the ppl power, or at least thats what is claimed, so thats why the situation needs to change...I don't believe the constitution necessarily favors sunnis...But the changes introduced since the 1973 constitution does give more power to the government regardless of wheather it is sunni dominated or not...
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Take it easy guys, no need to fight, just thought this is a change from the usual. I mean if it's goin to go out of hand, I'll ask for it to be closed as I don't want fights here.

About that thing, ya I do agree that the Shura at the moment is useful enough to block the bs proposals by the Nuwabs. The move towards givin the govt. more power is not helpful at all, cause that's a step back rather than fwd. As for the Sunnis and Shiites thing, well it seems that the Shiites are the ones that want more change that us Sunnis, and they're really not happy.

I'll have to go now, I'll comment tomorrow, but please guys, don't fight, let's put a good example for others :). Ciao.
cazanova said:
ok guys shut the **** up!
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I'v been thinkin that this thread hasn't really gone the way I'd loved it to be or just expected. Things don't look promising so I'd probably request it to be locked by tomorrow if things don't shape up properly here.
I think it should stay..Unless the situation gets worse than it already is...
It should all be viewed as a healthy dose of constructive debating! Although we may have gone overboard sometimes, I hope we all leared somethings from each other. Anyway I just wanted to apologize to Moody or anyone else I may have offended. I hope we can all get things back to the way they were :)
Other members who probably were upset because of the bust up that took place between themselves and other members, don't leave the forums cause you got offended or somethin, we'd like not to lose anyone and the number of Bahraini forumers is on the rise, which is great considerin that there has only been one for the last 3 years or so.
Skyline-BRN said:
It should all be viewed as a healthy dose of constructive debating! Although we may have gone overboard sometimes, I hope we all leared somethings from each other. Anyway I just wanted to apologize to Moody or anyone else I may have offended. I hope we can all get things back to the way they were :)
Man,,

Please don't apologize, We're all brothers:)
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