Baltic 56 | Norfolk Street/Watkinson Street | 126 Student Flats/Commercial Space | 7-8 Storeys

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Chris B

Discussion Starter · Feb 25, 2018 (Edited)

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This thread is for the development of a site in the Baltic Triangle, with elevations facing both Norfolk Street and Watkinson Street. The site houses 1-2 storey industrial sheds of no architectural value. The plans call for the site to be developed with a part 7/part 8 storey building comprising 126 student flats with ground floor commercial space. The original proposals were for 171 student flats in a 10 storey block, but the council's HRC saw the plans reduced to the current level. The developer is Borden Properties Limited, and the architect is NS Architects.

Planning Application

Application Number - 17F/1143
Site Address - 56 Norfolk Street and land bordered by Jamaica Street Liverpool L1 0BE
Proposal - To demolish existing warehouse, erect part 7, part 8 storey block creating 126 student apartments, 2 units of commercial space (A1, A3, B1, D1 and D2) together with associated cycle storage, bin store, ancillary facilities and external works.
Applicant - Borden Properties Ltd

From here - http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/P...ins/Liverpool_WIP/Menus/PL.xml&DAURI=PLANNING

The application was submitted on 28th April 2017, and was approved at the Planning Committee meeting on 30th January 2018.

Site Location
- Original image from Google Maps. Copyright to Google.

https://flic.k/p/21UGH8W

Elevations
- All copyright to the copyright holder., Shown here for informational purposes only.

https://flic.kr/p/24Br7jh

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https://flic.kr/p/23Asyif

Site Progress
- Despite only being granted planning permission on 30th January 2018, by 25th February, demolition of the existing structures was substantially complete. Clearly they have one eye on getting this ready for the 2019 academic year.

https://flic.kr/p/24EDWPk

Excuse the sun glare -

https://flic.kr/p/24EDWDa

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westisbest

· #2 · Feb 25, 2018

I count 10 storeys?

Chris B

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 25, 2018 (Edited)

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^^

I was so busy getting the other details in place, I didn't get onto that. Both the original and updated proposals are included in the related documents.

EDIT - The first post now has the correct elevations. Seen as they exist, I'll leave the original proposals here -

https://flic.kr/p/21UHmUs

https://flic.kr/p/21UHncm

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jetsetwilly

· #4 · Feb 25, 2018

As usual, the original proposal was far better.

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scouse1980

· #5 · Feb 25, 2018

And as usual buildings aren't joining properly to a corner as per a proper streetscape.
I realise this is impossible given the design of The Women's Organisation building but this plopping of uncoordinated blocks wherever sporadic development forces them is a 21st Century Liverpool trend I could very much do without.

eyeam

· #6 · Feb 26, 2018

I think the side elevations have actually improved - more detailing instead of blank brick walls. That seems to have come at the price of much reduced glazing on the front elevation though.

Roses and Snow

· #7 · Feb 26, 2018

The blank wall on Jamaica Street is overly optimistic of them. Any place they could extend there that doesn't demolish the old warehouse?

Chris B

Discussion Starter · #8 · Feb 26, 2018

Roses and Snow said:
The blank wall on Jamaica Street is overly optimistic of them. Any place they could extend there that doesn't demolish the old warehouse?

https://flic.kr/p/24EDVW8

If you look to the left of this photo, you can see a building with a corrugated roof that is not part of this development. Although its brick elevation to Norfolk Street is older looking, with a few odd pieces of detailing, it has clearly been altered significantly over the years, and given its state of repair, it wouldn't likely be saved. Presumably a potential future development of this plot is the reason for the blank wall.

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Dane_e

· #9 · Feb 26, 2018

I'm assuming the brick warehouse shown on the left of the above photograph is currently being converted to a new employment use? The windows in the rear elevation were bricked up last time I was in the Baltic Triangle, but I can see from your photo, Chris, that the bricks have now been removed. Another big positive for the area if this is the case!

PeterStoba

· #10 · Feb 27, 2018

^^

There was an application for office space with ground floor cafe

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Chris B

Discussion Starter · #11 · Mar 10, 2018

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Site clearance has continued since the last update and is now largely complete -

https://flic.kr/p/GVpZk5

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Liverpool1207

· #12 · Mar 16, 2018

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Couple of concrete wagons on site today, and you can see where previous concrete has been poured....

DSC_2305 by R S, on Flickr

DSC_2306 by R S, on Flickr

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Chris B

Discussion Starter · #13 · Mar 24, 2018

Current state of play -

https://flic.kr/p/Hj9NL1

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Chris B

Discussion Starter · #14 · May 6, 2018

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The adjacent industrial unit has been demolished, leaving just this substation to the Norfolk Street elevation -

https://flic.kr/p/25vP5wg

Plenty of concrete footers have been completed. Don't they normally have steel bolts sticking out though? -

https://flic.kr/p/25MPDey

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eyeam

· #15 · May 8, 2018

I don't think they're new foundations. More likely remnant foundations of the old garage.

You can just about see the one at the bottom right corner in your previous photo from March.

They also seem scratched up where the excavator bucket has been digging around them down to reduced level.

Chris B

Discussion Starter · #16 · May 8, 2018

^^

You might be right, although I have noted a few concrete pours in between the two most recent photo updates, which is what lead me to believe they were new footers. I'm not really sure to be honest. It's a case of wait and see I suppose.

eyeam

· #17 · May 8, 2018

Chris B said:
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You might be right, although I have noted a few concrete pours in between the two most recent photo updates, which is what lead me to believe they were new footers. I'm not really sure to be honest. It's a case of wait and see I suppose.

Maybe they're reusing some of the old pads and casting new ones too then. They could resin anchor holding down bolts for the new steelwork into the old pads. Would be a bit of an odd arrangement though.

PeterStoba

· #18 · May 8, 2018

If you look back through the photos you can see they're all new foundations. The steel frame could be drill and fix, which isn't common.

eyeam

· #19 · May 9, 2018

PeterStoba said:
If you look back through the photos you can see they're all new foundations. The steel frame could be drill and fix, which isn't common.

Yeah, you're right. Can see that on the ones further back. Strange they've reduced the level after casting new foundations.

Liverpool1207

· #20 · May 10, 2018

Spreading hard core today.....

DSC_2688 by R S, on Flickr

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