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I was looking for the older thread that was created, it has somehow vanished...Maybe someone else can find it...in the meantime, here is a new one

Bata - country´s second biggest city (70 000 inhabitants)





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Bata is the second largest city of Equatorial Guinea with a population of around 70,000 people. It lies on the Atlantic Ocean coast of Rio Muni. Bata was formerlly capital of Equatorial Guinea. The city is a transport hub and port, from which ferries sail to Malabo and Douala, and fliers can land at Bata Airport. It is also known for its small nightlife, its market and its airport.

The recent oil boom of the country has boosted the development of the city with more than 20 major infrastructure projects underway.
Bata looks a lot better than Malabo and it is surprsingly clean, I wouldn´t have expected this from a city in Equatorial Guinea considering the mess in Malabo which is the capital....but surprise surprise:)


All pics were taken in June 2007




what a great church, it even looks renovated













the enlarged new "el paseo"
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Couldn´t refrain from posting those nice Bata Girls



Old post-office






it is said that this is a road within Bata´s city centre





Centro Cultural Espanol




This is Abayak (taken in 2007)





new things around Bata




another street scene , btw, the building you see is a Gabonese bank



 

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Mattias,

You must be a fan of Teodoro Obiang. Not quite a democrat noted for good governance but a nasty dictator just like Robert Mugabe, Jose Eduardo dos Santos and Mohammed Bashir Omar. Here's a bio on him.
 

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Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo



Fact Sheet

Name: Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo
Country: Equatorial Guinea
Birthday: 05 June, 1942
Died: still living
Dates in Power: 10 October, 1979- current
How Leader Came into Power: military coup
Classification: "President for Life"
Nuclear Capability: no
Major Achievements: Repressive dictator known for his survival in power for more than 25 years despite multiple attempts to overthrow him. Currently at odds with the USA over the last attempt to remove him from power. Now a tricky situation due to major oil/ natural gas strikes in the country by US companies.

Score Card (click here for the explanations)

Charisma/ Popularity: 2.83
Danger Rating (Foreign Policy): 1
Oppression Rating: 4
Number of Domestic Victims: 1.33
Longevity: 5
Economics: 3.33
Notoriety/ Infamy: 2.67
Statesman Factor: 1.33
Extremism: 3.67
Progressiveness: 1.67
Total Score (50 max): 26.83

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Biography
Early Life

was born on 05 June 1942 in the Akoakam-Esangui district of Mongomo; he was the third of ten brothers to father Nguema Eneme Obama and mother Mbasogo Ngui.

He commenced his schooling at the School of Mongomo in 1950. Recognized for his outstanding studies, he was transferred to the advanced scholar group of the "Cardenal Cistnero" of Ebibeyin in 1958. In that year he also entered into the Mission School of the Priests of "Claretrados de Bata" and was baptized in the Catholic faith.

In June 1963, he became a Cadet of the Territorial Guard and on 15 September 1963 he attended the prestigious General Francisco Franco Military Academy in Sargasso Spain. He graduated from the academy in 1965, specializing in the handling of military vehicles. On 5 July 1965, he became Lieutenant of the Territorial Guard of Equatorial Guinea and through the next years he served in several different military companies. On 20 November 1969, he was promoted to Lieutenant of the National Guard and within two weeks he was responsible for all troops defending the capital city region of the country (Malabo).

Ascent to Power

On 08 July 1970 he was appointed to the post of General Manager of Planning and Supplies for the Ministry of Defense and on 19 April 1971 he was promoted to Captain due to his participation in overthrowing a failed coup attempt against his uncle and then-leader Francisco Macías Nguema. After this point, Obiang's career started to really move ahead with numerous promotions following in the successive years, propelling him to prominence within the government.

On 23 December 1975, Obiang was promoted to Commander of the Armed Forces of Equatorial Guinea. On 21 June 1976 he was appointed to the position of Secretary General to the Armed Forces, promoted once again in 1979 to Vice Minister of the Armed Forces and at the same time Lieutenant Colonel.

Francisco Macías Nguema's regime was extremely repressive and was cited for numerous human rights violations, which were so brutal that reportedly one-third of the country's population left as refugees; this set the stage for unrest and eventually another now-successful coup d'état against him at dawn on 03 August 1979 led by Obiang. Nguema was murdered shortly thereafter. On 18 August Obiang was chosen by a military panel unanimously to serve as the President of the Supreme Military Council and President of the Republic. He was officially sworn into office on 10 October 1979. He was later promoted to the rank of full Colonel on 31 January 1981.

His Reign

General sentiment at the time of the coup was that Obiang's rule would considerably improve conditions in Equatorial Guinea and in the beginning, Obiang did, in fact, pardon political prisoners of the Nguema regime by decree and a new constitution for Equatorial Guinea was drafted and approved on 22 August 1982 by 95.38% majority obtained through referendum.

In 1987 the (Partido Democratido of Equatorial Guinea) or PDGE was formed by Obiang, and since then remains the only party in the country.

Since Obiang's seizure of power in 1979, there have been numerous attempts on his life and failed coup attempts, yet he has been elected by more than 97% of the popular votes in 1998 and 2002. Although Equatorial Guinea is a constitutional democracy, opposition and international sentiment has alleged that the elections are hardly free and fair.

Support for Obiang at public rallies seems to be fervent and zealous, with literally thousands of followers literally screaming their support publicly; his practice of giving away wheelchairs at rallies surely helps in lending him loyalty among some of his population. Despite this, private accounts of locals paints a very dangerous picture, alleging that Obiang rules through terror, torture and political killings. Amnesty International and other human rights groups, including the UN, cite brutal human rights violations, torture of political prisoners, unfair trials as well as deplorable prison conditions. His opposition also maintains that the series of failed coup d'états have been staged in order to empower the President to engage in campaigns of retribution. His control over the media is rumoured to be absolute. He is also criticized for nepotism, as he has appointed many family members to key posts in the government.

In March 2004, another coup plot against Obiang failed, after an airplane that was purchased from a private American company was detained in Harare, Zimbabwe. The Zimbabwean Government alleged that the passengers on the plane were mercenaries from Angola, Namibia, South Africa, Zimbabwe and the Congo, whereas the operator of the aircraft stated that the passengers were in fact contractors heading for the Congo.

Obiang maintains that the plot was orchestrated by the US and the UK, and although it appears that US intelligence agencies did have some knowledge of the plot, there is not much evidence that the US government was directly involved, despite allegations to the contrary. Nevertheless, Obiang was quite angered at the US's decision not to reveal specifics of the plot against him.

Economics

When Obiang took control over the government after Nguema's rule the economy was in absolute shambles. Over the first few years Obiang did make some improvements but even up until the early 90's the country was hardly thriving on its dependence upon cocoa exports, and by 1993 the IMF had stopped granting foreign aid to the country due to graft and irresponsible handling of monies.

However Obiang enjoyed a stroke of luck which profoundly changed the economics of Equatorial Guinea permanently. In 1996, the multinational Mobil Corporation (now ExxonMobil) struck oil in the country, and by 2004, 185,000 barrels per day were being produced for the world oil markets. This has had a profound effect upon the country, spurring its economic expansion at the rate of 20% per annum.

In addition to the boon of oil, natural gas was also discovered in Equatorial Guinea and the US energy concern Marathon is building a large LNG processing plant which will be used for producing export fuel. The major finds of oil and natural gas have made Equatorial Guinea have given the country significant importance to US interests, and the country has been described as the new Kuwait.

The God of Guinea

Obiang is a man of contradictions, with feelings about him completely mixed.

In July 2003 the state radio station announced that Obiang was "the God of Equatorial Guinea" and that he now enjoyed the right to "decide to kill without having to give anyone an account and without going to hell". Despite his reputation as a brutal leader that rules with an iron hand, he is very soft-spoken and not prone to public displays of anger; he is extremely in control of his person and patient. His mode of dress is typical very businesslike and professional for official matter, and in public rallies he is relaxed and comfortable, wearing party colours and baseball caps. He does not really seem to be concerned about his image outside the country.

Original article written by www.dictatorofthemonth.com

Sources:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200403120710.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/equatorialguinea/story/0,15013,1313672,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3516588.stm www.ceiba-guinea-ecuatorial.org/guineefr/fpr_presentation.htm
 

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why are you people destroying threads that are dedicated to construction???:eek:hno: , I am not a fan of Obiang, on the contrary, but one can simply say that Bata doesn´t look so bad as I expected. That´s all and nothing more. If it all boils down to democracy , more than 50% of the country threads on SSC should be closed.

Mod, please can you either close this thread or delete the message of those two chaps, please!

eklips, you are really funny, what has Houphoet Boigny to do with Obiang? Gbagbo is running the country marvellously well as we all know.

You silly guys really piss me off!

Mosi, either you refrain from posting on this thread or I will load up tons of material showing the bad sides of your (post-) apartheid country. I am not short of material...I knew that you would come back to look for trouble so I am prepared for day X! It is your choice.

This is a thread to show the city of Bata and not to discuss any matters of politics.
 

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Well, i don't like Obiang either-I stillthink he's been a jerk, I still think that there is a bit too much corruption and the like, etc, etc.

But then, I have to face the facts. Look at those pictures-Bata looks like a city that could quite possibly belong in a more developed country. Malabo didn't look all that great, but this? And this isn't even the capital. That leads me to believe that there are other cities in Eq. Guinea that probably hav4e seen similar improvements.

And then, I haveto look at the living standardsm courtesy of the human development index.

http://hdr.undp.org/hdr2006/statistics/countries/data_sheets/cty_ds_GNQ.html

man development index, 1985 0.484
Human development index, 1990 0.501
Human development index, 1995 0.519
Human development index, 2000 0.643
Human development index, 2004 0.653

Eq. Guinea is now the 3rd highest sub saharan African country by ranking on the HDI.

The improvement here is massive. In 1985, Eq. guinea was ranked right around where places like Guinea bissau are. Then, today, it's jumped past India, South Africa, gabon, etc, etc-if you check the HDI trends for the other countries through that link, you will see that this is one of the most rapid improvements of any country.

In light of all this, while I still acknowledge he's dictator...I have to come to give a grudging respect for the guy.
 

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These are very good pictures, Matt! :applause:

I am pleased with these recent images, I know very well how difficult it is to find images of Bata.
 

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the bata gurls are nnnniiicccee
The women on the right is Ester Baxter, she's an african american dancer. She features in a lot of rap videos :)
 

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The women on the right is Ester Baxter, she's an african american dancer. She features in a lot of rap videos
Are you sure, maybe she has just got a striking ressemblancs ´cos those girlies come from Bata.
 

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First of all I am not in favour of any dictatorship. Obiang is dreadful and he runs his country like his family business. And he even neatly stashed away millions of dollars in property and private offshore bank accounts. No doubt about that...

But just one question: why did South Africa that is fighting to spread “democracy” in Africa hasn´t forbidden Obiang´s son to buy himself a plush house in Cape Town if those guys are “squeezing their country dry” as you say??? So when it comes to hypocrisy sweep in front of your own doorstep first.


Having said that, on talking about Equatorial Guinea a few points should be paid heed to because not all is so bleak and dreaful like some members feel tempted to say

1.) When oil was first discovered in the mid 90´s, the country was in a very unfavourable condition. 98% (!! I am not joking ) of the profits were pocketed by large American oil companies and the remaining peanuts were left for the state. The government increased its stake by now. It also has set up an own national oil comapny which invest in exploration and drilling . (Geptrol). Filling stations are supplied by Gepetrol, too. So it evloves into something like Petrogabon or even Sonangol, Sonatrech among others.

2. The rate of new oil and gas discoveries have sharply increaased in the past years and the country will churn out something around 600 000 barrels of oil a day by 2009. (in comparison: Kuwait - the size of Equatorial Guinea - started oil production already in the 50´s and produces almost 2.5 Million barrels of oil today)


2.) Public investment has grown tremdeously. The government – despite high levels of corruption – is investing more than 2 Billion US Dollars this year alone ( the highest amount in its history) into the building of roads, highways, elecriticity supply, hospitals, schools, the new capital Malabo II and medical centres. Bear in mind that Equatorial Guinea starts from a very low position. But the trickling donw effect seems to be palpable which is documented by the HDI Index. (even though the indicator remains questionable as a whole, nevertheless a sharp increase is visible which is even higher that South Africa which is frequently cited as Africa´s undisputed economic powerhouse and “role-model” democracy. The building boom is huge in Equatorial Guinea...and suprisngly nobody is talking about it any more, good things never rise to the surface but if a cholora epedemic suddenly flares up, the media are there to tear the country apart. Weird!

3.)It is an empirically verified thesis that non-democratic states economically performed very well. May I just bring back a few names into your memory

a.) China : run is no doubt a brutal dictaorship but the country is growing in leaps and bounds and more and more people are getting welathier
b.) South Korea from 60´s -80´s was a full blown dictorship but it lay the basis for economic development
c.) Côte d´ivoire under Felix Houphoet-Boigny grew rapidsly in the 60´s – 80´s and urban poverty levels declined rapidly, Abidjan ´s poverty rate was around 5% in 1985, todays is is more than 45% figure date back to 2004, read this is an article)
d.) Most of the South East Asian tigers are ruled with an iron fist: Malaysia and Singapore
Indonesia witnessed the sharpest rise in its GDP when it was under Suharto´s dictatorship!!!
e.) Brazil grew at its best when it was undemocratically ruled
f) All of the glitzy smaller Gulf Countries are dictorships: Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain and Oman. But the UAE has created a state fund that already amounts to more than 850 Billion US dollars in cash which could allow them to buy off entire rich industrialized countries.Their fund is even higher than that of highly democratic, corruption-free and "clean" Norway whose oil fund stand somehwere around 300 Billion US Dollars.
g.) Brunei is run in a way that is equal Louis Quatorze during France´s absolutisme, but chekck out its HDI Index and its foreign excanges resserves and so on, thhe country and its citizens are perversely rich.
All those countries are frequently cited in the press as role model for socio-economic development and words of praise are sung about them


5.) Equatorial Guinea was a victim of a coup plot a few years ago which was perpetrated by South African mercinaries and England (Magret Thatcher´s son). Those fellows wanted to oust Obiang to get some juicy parts out of the pie (billions of dollars in oil and construction contracts). The coup failed...and this explains to a certzain degree obiang´s tighter grip on power since then. (or even paranoia). Sitting on heaps of oil in small and “helpless” African countries is never an easy task (both internally and externally)

6.) Check out the very good macro-economic facts of Equatorial guinea: The internal and external debt ratio is virtually zero. So the country has not borrowed senselessly tons of cash to finance infrastructure projects at home. Look at foreign exchange resserves, “Jeune afrique” said that the country has the highest in Central Africa and the second highest in entire West and central africa (!!) .

7.) We should also keep in mid that one cannot eat democracy alone. Take Mali which ranks very highly in terms of democracy but how many Malians are happy in their own country where they are allowed to speak their mind freely??? On the contrary, they are looking for ways to escape (they did in to Côte d´ivoire in the past which was a dictatorship, they are trying to enter Gabon where a patriarch runs the country more or less “democratically” and they are venture to booming Equatorial Guinea which is a full-blown dictatorship)


In my mind, these are some aspects that should be kept in mind when one talks of Equatorial Guinea. They are always two side to a coin!:)
 

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Mattias,

You must be a fan of Teodoro Obiang. Not quite a democrat noted for good governance but a nasty dictator just like Robert Mugabe, Jose Eduardo dos Santos and Mohammed Bashir Omar. Here's a bio on him.
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As far as I know the thread was not about Equatorial Guinea politics, but it was just intended to show a bit of this greatly unknown country to the world... Actually, I'd thanks Matthias for showing some recent pics of Bata, it's not easy to find pics of Equatorial Guinea (and even harder if the pics are recent).

I feel so sorry for that country... cos they could enjoy a great quality of life... rich in natural resources, small population... If it wasn't for the damn Obiang and his group of parasites life could be so different for the Guineans...
 

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As far as I know the thread was not about Equatorial Guinea politics, but it was just intended to show a bit of this greatly unknown country to the world... Actually, I'd thanks Matthias for showing some recent pics of Bata, it's not easy to find pics of Equatorial Guinea (and even harder if the pics are recent).

I feel so sorry for that country... cos they could enjoy a great quality of life... rich in natural resources, small population... If it wasn't for the damn Obiang and his group of parasites life could be so different for the Guineans...

Hey buddy , perhaps you have to see Malabo's new images http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=439688&page=3
Very impressive, considering the size of the city and its location which is off from the mainland.

The corniche in Bata looks amaaaaazing ! Especially it's overlooking the warm blue sea, a perfect spot for family outing in the afternoon :)
A nice place for funfair/ evening parties /entertainment.
 

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Sure there are always two sides to a coin. I do not condone the cosy relationship between Thabo Mbeki and Obiang just as I do not condone the US government's support of this nasty dictator. As far as the ANC is concerned it should freeze the assets of dictators like Teodoro Obiang and Robert Mugabe and show that it really means it about democracy and if they don't do it then it's up to the opposition such as the DA, ID and IFP to make a noise about it. It is dictators like this that pull down Africa. I do not care about the GDP and HDI statistics from the EG government that are most likely fraudulent in the first place and carry little weight in the international community that is already smart to the situation in EG. Given their lack of transparency do you really take them that seriously.

First of all I am not in favour of any dictatorship. Obiang is dreadful and he runs his country like his family business. And he even neatly stashed away millions of dollars in property and private offshore bank accounts. No doubt about that...

But just one question: why did South Africa that is fighting to spread “democracy” in Africa hasn´t forbidden Obiang´s son to buy himself a plush house in Cape Town if those guys are “squeezing their country dry” as you say??? So when it comes to hypocrisy sweep in front of your own doorstep first.


Having said that, on talking about Equatorial Guinea a few points should be paid heed to because not all is so bleak and dreaful like some members feel tempted to say

1.) When oil was first discovered in the mid 90´s, the country was in a very unfavourable condition. 98% (!! I am not joking ) of the profits were pocketed by large American oil companies and the remaining peanuts were left for the state. The government increased its stake by now. It also has set up an own national oil comapny which invest in exploration and drilling . (Geptrol). Filling stations are supplied by Gepetrol, too. So it evloves into something like Petrogabon or even Sonangol, Sonatrech among others.

2. The rate of new oil and gas discoveries have sharply increaased in the past years and the country will churn out something around 600 000 barrels of oil a day by 2009. (in comparison: Kuwait - the size of Equatorial Guinea - started oil production already in the 50´s and produces almost 2.5 Million barrels of oil today)


2.) Public investment has grown tremdeously. The government – despite high levels of corruption – is investing more than 2 Billion US Dollars this year alone ( the highest amount in its history) into the building of roads, highways, elecriticity supply, hospitals, schools, the new capital Malabo II and medical centres. Bear in mind that Equatorial Guinea starts from a very low position. But the trickling donw effect seems to be palpable which is documented by the HDI Index. (even though the indicator remains questionable as a whole, nevertheless a sharp increase is visible which is even higher that South Africa which is frequently cited as Africa´s undisputed economic powerhouse and “role-model” democracy. The building boom is huge in Equatorial Guinea...and suprisngly nobody is talking about it any more, good things never rise to the surface but if a cholora epedemic suddenly flares up, the media are there to tear the country apart. Weird!

3.)It is an empirically verified thesis that non-democratic states economically performed very well. May I just bring back a few names into your memory



All those countries are frequently cited in the press as role model for socio-economic development and words of praise are sung about them


5.) Equatorial Guinea was a victim of a coup plot a few years ago which was perpetrated by South African mercinaries and England (Magret Thatcher´s son). Those fellows wanted to oust Obiang to get some juicy parts out of the pie (billions of dollars in oil and construction contracts). The coup failed...and this explains to a certzain degree obiang´s tighter grip on power since then. (or even paranoia). Sitting on heaps of oil in small and “helpless” African countries is never an easy task (both internally and externally)

6.) Check out the very good macro-economic facts of Equatorial guinea: The internal and external debt ratio is virtually zero. So the country has not borrowed senselessly tons of cash to finance infrastructure projects at home. Look at foreign exchange resserves, “Jeune afrique” said that the country has the highest in Central Africa and the second highest in entire West and central africa (!!) .

7.) We should also keep in mid that one cannot eat democracy alone. Take Mali which ranks very highly in terms of democracy but how many Malians are happy in their own country where they are allowed to speak their mind freely??? On the contrary, they are looking for ways to escape (they did in to Côte d´ivoire in the past which was a dictatorship, they are trying to enter Gabon where a patriarch runs the country more or less “democratically” and they are venture to booming Equatorial Guinea which is a full-blown dictatorship)


In my mind, these are some aspects that should be kept in mind when one talks of Equatorial Guinea. They are always two side to a coin!:)
 

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As far as I know the thread was not about Equatorial Guinea politics, but it was just intended to show a bit of this greatly unknown country to the world... Actually, I'd thanks Matthias for showing some recent pics of Bata, it's not easy to find pics of Equatorial Guinea (and even harder if the pics are recent).

I feel so sorry for that country... cos they could enjoy a great quality of life... rich in natural resources, small population... If it wasn't for the damn Obiang and his group of parasites life could be so different for the Guineans...
I cannot agree more with you. It is a bloody disgrace that EG is not a little Kuwait of Africa because of this regime and never will be so long as tyranny reins in EG.
 

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Hey buddy , perhaps you have to see Malabo's new images http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=439688&page=3
Thanks for the link! :) EG is a country that makes you dream, cos of its great potential, let's just hope that someday they will get rid of their corrupt leaders and make the dream come true.

Besides, there's an important EG community in Spain, composed in an important part by qualified people who can't live in their country and contribute to its development cos of their nasty dictator..

I remember an EG guy at university who studied architecture, and even though I didn't know him, many times, in the bus, I would listen to him talking to his friends about EG and how beautiful it was despise the awful situation of the country in the present... apparently they have some really awesome beaches in EG too!
 

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Cool they speak Spanish!.

Too bad it's a dictatorship.

Why hasn't Spain (EU) put any pressure on them?

BTW... those beautiful gals are a product of Spain's greatest gift to the world and mankind....Mulatas...( half white/half African) ....

Those Spaniards just can't keep their pants on. Keep humping and bumping.
 

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Thanks for the link! :) EG is a country that makes you dream, cos of its great potential, let's just hope that someday they will get rid of their corrupt leaders and make the dream come true.

Besides, there's an important EG community in Spain, composed in an important part by qualified people who can't live in their country and contribute to its development cos of their nasty dictator..

I remember an EG guy at university who studied architecture, and even though I didn't know him, many times, in the bus, I would listen to him talking to his friends about EG and how beautiful it was despise the awful situation of the country in the present... apparently they have some really awesome beaches in EG too!
Maybe when Obiang is out of power and EG becomes a multi-party democracy with respect for human rights the Spanish can return to contribute to building EG.
 
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