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Moin everyone :)

So we didn't have a thread about the Berlin City Palace (German Stadtschloss) reconstruction here so far.

That's because it's not a complete reconstruction and we already have a thread at the General Urban Development forum.

So please go there for all relevant news: CLICK!


But still, I think we should have an overview and redirect thread here.

So everytime new updates are available, please post them there and redirect the Classic Architecture Forum readers from here (with posting links)!


It's not necessary to open several threads in English for the exact same topic. It's just that we should keep the people posted, who don't check other sections too often - about what's going on in Big B.

Hope you'll understand the principle behind this. ;)


Have fun! Viel Spass!


PS: Great current updates can always be found at the German-speaking Stadtbild Forum (APH)!

And you can also just check the always updated webcams for current progress.
 

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General information about the Stadtschloss / Humboldt-Forum project

The Berlin City Palace (Berliner Stadtschloss in German) will be (partly) reconstructed.

Its site marked the historical core of the German capital, being the root for the city's development.
After considerable damage in World War 2, it still could have been rebuilt - but the GDR government of East Berlin
decided to blow it up in 1950. This act of crime was followed by a huge parade ground for the GDR authorities -
and in 1976, the Palace of the Republic (Palast der Republik)
was built on its site. In 2008, the demolition of this historical hoax was finally finished.

You can comprehend the whole process until today at this thread.

Since reunification in 1990, there were various initiatives coming up for the reconstruction of the Berlin Castle.
In 2002, the German parliament (Bundestag) made the decision to partly rebuild the Palace complex
as the new Humboldt-Forum.
This concept is intended as a combination of a museum and a venue for events. The museum will show non-European
exhibits & art, as a counterpart to the Museum Island, which represents European history.
So altogether, this part of Berlin will establish a prominent place of world culture.


Current visualizations/renderings of the Berlin Palace / Humboldt-Forum (as of March 2013):

Aerial

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http://www.welt.de/kultur/article7879733/Wiederaufbau-des-Berliner-Stadtschlosses-gefaehrdet.html

At Schlossplatz (Palace/Castle Square)



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From "Lustgarten" seen from the front of the Altes Museum

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Sadly the Spree river facade (east facade) will probably be spoilt by a boxy modernist appendix (architect: Franco Stella)... :(

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Scheme graphics of the Stadtschloss:





Source of all: http://www.golden-section-graphics.com/berliner-stadtschloss/
 

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The site of the Berlin City Palace (in light red) laid over the city's urban layout of today:

Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Karte_berlin_stadtschloss.png?uselang=de

Local planning area:

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An aerial view of the complex with the GDR "Palace of the Republic" still occupying the site:

http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article1616754/Erinnerung-an-Palast-der-Republik-verblasst.html

Comparison: A visualisation of the "Humboldt-Forum", aerial view

http://www.welt.de/kultur/article7879733/Wiederaufbau-des-Berliner-Stadtschlosses-gefaehrdet.html


How the site looks like in summer 2012:

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Berlin City Palace before demolition

Berlin City Palace before WW2 & GDR:


With the national memorial (dedicated to Emperor Wilhelm I) in front of it:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Berlin_Nationaldenkmal_Kaiser_Wilhelm_mit_Schloss_1900.jpg?uselang=de

As seen from Lustgarten in 1913:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lustgarten,_1913.jpg

Postcard of the City Palace and the Berlin Cathedral (which wasn't reconstructed according to its former looks, btw):

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dom_und_Stadtschloss,_Berlin_1900.png
 

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Aerial view of the Berlin Palace and the former dense urban old town core of the city (called Alt-Berlin and Cölln, with Marienviertel), which today mostly is a huge lawn:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Berlin_stadtansicht_mit_schloss_1891.jpg

The east facade of the Berlin Palace towards the river Spree (with Marx-Engels-Forum and the TV tower sitting behind today). In the current concept, the reconstruction of this multi-era facade is not scheduled.
Instead, there will be a "modern" facade made by architect Francesco Stella which I'll show later.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kaiser_Wilhelm-Brücke-Berlin.jpg

A look towards the other direction, down the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Bridge to St. Mary's Church, in 1900:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Berlin_Kaiser_Wilhelm_Bruecke_1900.jpg

The east facade again as seen from the river Spree with the original look of the cathedral (Berliner Dom):

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1998-014-24A,_Berlin,_Stadtschloss_(Spreeseite),_Berliner_Dom.jpg

"Round corner" (there still is a chance this might get rebuilt):

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1977-061-26,_Berlin,_Kurfürstenbrücke,_Schloss_und_Dom.jpg
 

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Additional aerial views of the Palace, Cathedral and the dense urban old town core before WW2:
Photochrom view from 1920

http://www.berliner-historische-mitte.de/ (Really interesting organisation that intends to rebuild Berlin old town parts - similar to Dresden Neumarkt society. Luckily re-activated since some time, feel free to support them! :) - altern. link)

Old Berlin aerial

full resolution here, shown by unify (APH Forum)

The Spree island in Nazi times

Full res, credit to unify (APH forum)
 

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Before and after the war - impressive comparison:
It didn't receive any more damage than the rest of Berlin.

You can see the damage to the east façade compared to the Marienviertel on the right of these comparison pictures originally posted on the Architectura Pro Homine:
Before the War:

After:


The main reason for the subsequent demolition by the communist East Germany (Pictures) was it's status as a symbol for an unwanted (and failed) system (the monarchy) right in the centre of it's new and modern (communist) capital.

Ironically the demolition of the palace of the republic (picture in a better state, and another one from the east) on this very spot had pretty much the exact same reasons. It was a symbol of the communist past of East Germany in the centre of the new All-German capital.
(The official reason was it's asbestos contamination, but almost every building from the 70ies has this problem. One of the more prominent examples is the ICC-Building, opened 1979 in the former west of Berlin, and nobody is going to demolish that one.)
 

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Some additional views of the plans (facade renders are a little dated, but didn't change too significantly):
You can see the progress of Dresden reconstruction project here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=250017&pp=20&page=1000

Here is a detailed ground view of the Stadtschloss as it was before:

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Some past views:

First courtyard (Eosanderhof):

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Second courtyard (Schlüterhof) Both paintings are by Eduard Gaertner.

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How it would look when finished:



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Following pictures from Welt Online

From Unter den Linden


Schlüterhof


Aerial view


From north, with Stella's facade. (comparison)


Ground view


Full set of pictures: http://www.welt.de/kultur/article4980591/Franco-Stellas-ueberarbeitete-Plaene.html
 

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Interiors of Berlin Palace - in color

Let's have a look at some of the former interior rooms of the Stadtschloss.

While at first none of these will get reconstructed due to financial restraints, the option to do so is left for later generations.

These baroque masterpieces were mainly created by Andreas Schlüter and Eosander von Göthe and luckily are well documented.



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The new Humboldtforum will contain the following:

* Quality Shops (probably at the higher end of the market, which fits here)
* Restaurants
* World culture museum
* a Business Center
* Rooms for corporate "special events" and functions / event venues

Plan:

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An interesting fact is, that there were plans to fully "baroquicize" the Berlin City Palace. Including the eastern facade at the river Spree.

Included in this plan: Adding a 100-meter tower above Portal III! :D


(Förderverein Berliner Schloss e.V. / img)
 
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