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Birmingham - London, 'New rail link under consideration'

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This sounds good! I just hope they connect it through London - Stratford International and not London - St. Pancras to make through trains Birmingham - Paris possible.
Double-decker trains, to cut journeys between London and Birmingham to 45 minutes, are being considered.

A link is suggested with Eurostar, bypassing central London

The Department for Transport is looking at plans for a new 190mph (305km/h) link from near the new Channel Tunnel terminus in London to the Midlands. Costing £15bn, the link would enable Midlands travellers to reach Paris in three hours, bypassing central London.

The BBC's Midlands Transport Correspondent, Peter Plisner, said raising the money would not be easy. He said the initial cost would inevitably escalate to billions of pounds more.

Heathrow tunnel

He added: "After initial disappointment when Eurostar was launched that Midlanders could not go direct to the continent on the train, this plan could finally allow this to happen."

The line would have the opportunity to extend at each end - to Heathrow, via a five-mile tunnel, and to Manchester.

The plan was first envisaged by Greengauge 21, a group of rail industry leaders, and is being looked at in Whitehall. It is estimated the new line would take at least 15 years to complete.

A spokesperson for the Department for Transport confirmed the scheme was among those being considered but added that £8bn was being spent on the west coast main line upgrade, which would be completed next year. "That will set the standard on that line to 2020," he said.

"We are not ruling out any projects at present, but we will be making a major announcement about the future of railway services next month," he said. "Until then we cannot comment any further."
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Seems like a sensible initial phase.
And because it is faster it brings the continent even closer to both midlanders and others. A good interchange and through baggage check in for those with larger items can make it all the easier. I simply don't buy the idea that this is an important drawback for maglev. The proportion of journey's that will be intl ones will be minute compared to domestic ones and on dometic issues I still think maglev wins. Its not like the continent where we have a web of interconnected rails, we have one link only. Passengers can change without much hassle and frieght which is more important (and which can't change) can still use the rails which won't be clogged with TGV's because maglev will have added true extra capacity.
The UK Ultraspeed plan is to have a station at Stratford or the Thames Gateway if i'm not mistaken. So simply a case of changing from 1 to the other when you get there.
No what I meant about the web of rails was to do with international travel not about any domestic network. We have one cross border link unlike many continental countries where many connections may exist. Therefore it is not as important to us to use a technology on domestic routes that is compatable with those of other countries since few services regularly cross borders.

It won't add much extra capacity if it uses existing tracks into city centres which is one of the only ways it can claim the cost and convenience advantage over maglev. If they use existing tracks in these areas then you still have bottlenecks which may not affect priority TGV services but must have an impact somewhere as traffic comes to a point. Signalling and performance on rail also means it provides less capacity on a given route than would a maglev.


For a rail proposal this one isn't at all bad though!
Hence why there is a great desire to press ahead with High Speed 2.

An LGV (we'll call it that for sake of simplicity)will free up extra capacity to the current network. I've never understood UK Ultraspeeds or whoevers argument that it won't.

The heavily congested southern sections of the relevant mainline will have inter city trains switched onto the LGV so there's more capacity for a start. As for city approaches, well Greengauge answers that concern perfectly in it's presentation. Many of our cities have unused trackbeds which are just crying out to be re-used.

Tell me, what is the maximum amount of passengers a maglev system would be able to carry each way per hour?
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