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http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2012/august/6/bluewater.aspx

20% expansion (roughly 60 more shops/restaurants) is rather large though and there is a lake right next to the West Village.

Obviously taking Lakesides expansion very seriously. If I'm not mistaken this would make Bluewater the biggest shopping centre in the UK or at least very close to it.

Intresting to see how this will fit in with the existing centre.

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I fucking hope not. Having worked at Lakeside, and frequented Bluewater on a large number of occasions I can say an expansion is not what they need. It takes an age to find any decent shops in Bluewater. And I can swear some of the shops are duplicates!
 

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Good news as far as I’m concerned. Bluewater is my favourite shopping centre. It sounds like an expansion of the restaurant area which it could use. The main food court gets unbearably packed at peak times. Bluewater could really use a bar, so I hope they include one! They closed the old one last year, so there is nowhere to sit and have a drink anymore.
 

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http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2012/august/6/bluewater.aspx

20% expansion (roughly 60 more shops/restaurants) is rather large though and there is a lake right next to the West Village.

Obviously taking Lakesides expansion very seriously. If I'm not mistaken this would make Bluewater the biggest shopping centre in the UK or at least very close to it.
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Does anyone have any details about the size of 'Bluewater' now and after the (proposed) expansion?

My understanding is that for a very long time The MetroCentre has been the largest Shopping Centre in the UK, well ahead of 'Lakeside', but I don't know what the Bluewater figures are . . .


METROCENTRE - 2,092,000 sq ft of retail space

http://www.capital-shopping-centres.co.uk/shopping_centres/csc/metrocentre/


LAKESIDE - 1,434,000 sq ft of retail space

http://www.capital-shopping-centres.co.uk/shopping_centres/csc/lakeside/

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According to this retail-week article:

Currently 1.6 million sq ft.

To be expanded by 375000 sq ft.

Bluewater after the expansion will be 1.975 million sq ft.

http://www.retail-week.com/property/bluewater-to-become-uks-largest-shopping-centre/5039452.article

Strangely the article says that bluewater will be larger than London's Westfields and the metro centre after the expansion.

According to the Bluewater Wikipedia page it is currently 1,675,955 sq ft. With the expansion if that figure is correct Bluewater would still just be smaller than the Metro centre by just 40000 sq ft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluewater
 

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According to the respective owners' official websites (I've converted imperial measurements to metric):


1. The MetroCentre has 194,353 sq m of retail space. (Capital Shopping Centres - source)

2. The Trafford Centre has 176,516 sq m of retail space. (Capital Shopping Centres - source)

3. Westfield Stratford has 175,000 sq m of retail space. (Westfield - source)

4. Westfield London has 150,000 sq m of retail space. (Westfield - source)
- The Westfield London Phase 2 project will add 55,000 sq m of retail space to the existing 150,000 sq m, giving it 205,000 sq m.

5. Bluewater has 139,400 sq m of retail space. (Bluewater - source)
- The Bluewater Expansion project will add 34,838 sq m of retail space to the existing 139,400 sq m, giving it 174,238 sq m.

6. Lakeside has 133,222 sq m of retail space. (Lakeside - source)
- The Lakeside Expansion project will add 30,193 sq m of retail space to the existing 133,222 sq m, giving it 163,495 sq m.


That's all using official website sources. Currently, the Metro Centre is the largest shopping centre in the UK by total retail area. If all current plans come to fruition, then Westfield London at Shepherd's Bush will be the largest shopping centre in the UK.
 

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There is currently the "MetroOasis" expansion of the MetroCentre being built, we are following it on this Project Thread here . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1503351

Should be finished this year sometime!

I found the (current) MetroCentre Retail Space Square Footage as 2,092,000 on the same website that you quote, rather than the 194,353.000 figure you mention SE9.

Apologies if I have misread something!

Thanks for the Bluewater figures, I now know where to look for them.

Interesting stuff all round!!
 

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Good news as far as I’m concerned. Bluewater is my favourite shopping centre. It sounds like an expansion of the restaurant area which it could use. The main food court gets unbearably packed at peak times. Bluewater could really use a bar, so I hope they include one! They closed the old one last year, so there is nowhere to sit and have a drink anymore.
Wouldn't that make it more difficult for Lewisham to develop into a serious retail centre, esp. with Stratford and Bluewater within each of those in SE London?
 

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There is currently the "MetroOasis" expansion of the MetroCentre being built, we are following it on this Project Thread here . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1503351

Should be finished this year sometime!

I found the (current) MetroCentre Retail Space Square Footage as 2,092,000 on the same website that you quote, rather than the 194,353.000 figure you mention SE9.

Apologies if I have misread something!

Thanks for the Bluewater figures, I now know where to look for them.

Interesting stuff all round!!
The differences are probably the amount of leisure space. I know that Westfield stratford has 1.9 million net lettable space which is much more than the figure quoted above, but Westfield has a lot of leisure space.
 

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Wouldn't that make it more difficult for Lewisham to develop into a serious retail centre, esp. with Stratford and Bluewater within each of those in SE London?
That ship has sailed a long time ago. Lewisham was on the slide long before any of these centres opened. For most people in Lewisham it must easier to get to Central London or now Westfield Stratford. Bluewater effects Bexleheath and Bromley more.
 

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That ship has sailed a long time ago. Lewisham was on the slide long before any of these centres opened. For most people in Lewisham it must easier to get to Central London or now Westfield Stratford. Bluewater effects Bexleheath and Bromley more.
True, although I think if they offer some specialist and niche retail outlets they could pull people in. A move away from a generic mall experience would help as well.

If you add Brent Cross and Croydon to SE9 expansion list, you're talking close to 200,000m2 of extra retail space, excluding anything happening in central London and on top of large increases from last decade.
 

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I fucking hope not. Having worked at Lakeside, and frequented Bluewater on a large number of occasions I can say an expansion is not what they need. It takes an age to find any decent shops in Bluewater. And I can swear some of the shops are duplicates!
Bluewater used to have a great load of specialist stores which I always liked but sadly forced out by costs.

Great to see this thread up and running.
 

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There is currently the "MetroOasis" expansion of the MetroCentre being built, we are following it on this Project Thread here . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1503351

Should be finished this year sometime!

I found the (current) MetroCentre Retail Space Square Footage as 2,092,000 on the same website that you quote, rather than the 194,353.000 figure you mention SE9.

Apologies if I have misread something!

Thanks for the Bluewater figures, I now know where to look for them.

Interesting stuff all round!!
The square footage of the Metro Centre is 2,092,000. I converted any imperial measurements to metric... so 194,353 square metres is the correct figure :)
 

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The square footage of the Metro Centre is 2,092,000. I converted any imperial measurements to metric... so 194,353 square metres is the correct figure :)

Yes, I hadn't noticed you were using Square Metres - sorry!!

For 'building areas' I have always used square feet!

I am not sure what the square footage (or metreage) of MetroOasis is going to be.
 

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True, although I think if they offer some specialist and niche retail outlets they could pull people in. A move away from a generic mall experience would help as well.
Lewisham already has specialist and niche stores that Bluewater and Westfield do not. Pound shops.. :eek:hno: A sad reflection on the direction Lewisham has taken, especially post millennium and after the opening of Bluewater. There isn't a mall operator that specialises in the low end market that I know of, so redevelopment keeps getting kicked into the rough. It really does sadden me as Lewisham is effectively my local mall. There just isn’t anything to attract those who don’t live outside Lewisham. Boutiques wouldn’t touch that centre with a barge poll until the centre is brought up to scratch.
 

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I went to Dartford for the first time in about a decade recently. It was awful. So many empty units, and a sad and desolated feel about the place. Bluewater killed it reducing the town to nothing.
 
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