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Development - Harbouside North (Canon's Marsh)
Value - £287 million
Size - 16.3 acres (6.59 hectares)
Developer - Crest Nicholson, Linden Homes
Architects - Stride Treglown
Moving into its final stage of development, this project has gradually transformed the historic Bristol docks into a cosmopolitan city-centre hub for living, work and leisure.








The remaining developments include the final apartment building, and the Linden Homes redevlopment of the Grade-II listed East Purifier House, a Victorian gas works.





Development - Wapping Wharf
Value - £unknown
Size - 3.3 hectares (8.2 acres)
Developer - Umberslade
Across the harbour, behind the new M-Shed museum, Wapping Wharf will be transformed into a lively community of up to 625 new homes, individual shops, offices, cafes and restaurants.

Drawing on the success of thriving independent shopping and eating areas such as the Lanes in Brighton and the Castlefield area in Manchester, Wapping Wharf will be a vibrant new neighbourhood where people can shop, eat and relax in a lively dockside environment.






Full details - http://www.wappingwharf.co.uk
 

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I hope the last few bits of the Harbourside/cannons marsh site can give the place a bit more life and character. I find the existing developments at the centre of the site soul destroyingly bland and lifeless.
 

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I hope the last few bits of the Harbourside/cannons marsh site can give the place a bit more life and character. I find the existing developments at the centre of the site soul destroyingly bland and lifeless.
What it needs to give it life and character is more people (I appreciate your comments on the architecture, but enough people would overcome the bland design).

I've said it before, but the retail units which would animate the space between the buildings won't succeed until the walkway is finished and I think probably they really require a bridge connecting to the SS Great Britain side of the harbour.



 

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Your right people are the key and a bridge would certainly help to draw them through the site. Currently it is a bit of a dead end.

That's the first time I've seen those renders and this building is certainly a massive improvement on the other flats in the development.
 

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Your right people are the key and a bridge would certainly help to draw them through the site. Currently it is a bit of a dead end.

That's the first time I've seen those renders and this building is certainly a massive improvement on the other flats in the development.
I'm really looking forwards to the Soil Association's new HQ. A bit of quality by the inlet.

 

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I'm not entirely enthusiastic towards the idea of there being any more bridges. Too many over a relatively short distance could potentially kill off a lot of activity on the water. I'd be gladly proved wrong though.
 

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I'm not entirely enthusiastic towards the idea of there being any more bridges. Too many over a relatively short distance could potentially kill off a lot of activity on the water. I'd be gladly proved wrong though.

Agreed. It would be great to have one pedestrian crossing though, halfway between the Cumberland Basin and Watershed. Sadly, to make it navigable by masted ships would require an expensive design - either swing or lift. Would look amazing though - could be Bristol's Gateshead Eye?
 

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Exactly my thoughts on the matter berty. We need to protect that expanse of water to an extent, but equally a non-intrusive pedestrian bridge would complete the circuit and mean it was no longer a walk to no where.
Might not be as iconic as the blinking eye in newcastle or whatever it's called, or particularly advanced in an engineering sense - but what about a floating pontoon type 'bridge', which can break and retract in the middle for the larger vessels. It could be made to blend into the scenery in the day and look terrific when lit at night.
There would be raised 'ferry passing points' at each side along with pick up points.
The beauty if the harbour is that it doesn't suffer from tidal forces or strong currents. It is calm, and so as long as the bridge can withstand a bit of occasional choppy windy weather and the wake from the passing boats, it would be fine.
I'll knock up an image to illustrate when I get the chance.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the far end of the harbour would thrive with the addition of a bridge. I think the restaurants down that end would be joined by a few bars, and the ssgb area would also become an evening destination as well, along with the promenade.
 

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I had vague memories of a wing bridge being proposed for the SS Great Britain to Canons Marsh crossing a few yeas ago and somewhat to my surprise found it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpZ9MBhcdFs

I think it's great - high enough not to impedemost harbour traffic but still liftable to allow passage for larger vessels. The cylindrical strutures at both ends have lifts for pushchairs, the elderly etc.

Now apart from some people objecting on principle (and I understand why), the major obstacle would be cost.
 

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I think a Bridge is vital IMHO. From my own experience of this area, the river is quite the barrier. Sensible planning could allow the bridge to form a proper through route with Gaol Ferry bridge.
 

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Love that wing bridge design. So elegant and clever.

Shame about those access ramps though. Perhaps one could build above street level access ramps and hide the actual stairs/lifts somewhere further back, between buildings. Something like this (Kehrwiedersteg, Speicherstadt, Hamburg; also this and this).
 

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What sort of clearance (height and width) is required in the closed state of such a bridge?

I'll dig out my images from the last time this topic was raised:





Just above the right-most blue hoarding would be the ideal place to spring the bridge from, as it's already a good 8m or so above the water, and leads directly off the main pedestrian route.
 

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What sort of clearance (height and width) is required in the closed state of such a bridge?
I don't think it's got to be very high. Good point about the raised promenade, that would indeed be a perfect spot, and look good too.


In other news, there's an article on the BBC bristol site about a developer's complaint about how developers were chosen for the Redcliffe Wharf development. Does anyone know what the status is with that? Is it waiting for a more favourable financial environment or has it been scrapped completely?
 

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In other news, there's an article on the BBC bristol site about a developer's complaint about how developers were chosen for the Redcliffe Wharf development. Does anyone know what the status is with that? Is it waiting for a more favourable financial environment or has it been scrapped completely?
A few years ago I think Westmark Developments were selected as preferred developers and Alec French architects designed a scheme. It never got off the ground and the owner of the development company has since died.

The city council are running another selection process for a developer for the site, so presumably the complainant was excluded from the short list. I don't know if a final selection has been made yet.

Edit - meeting due on 4th July to appoint a preferred developer.
 

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Update:
The piling is advancing on the ground next to the purifier building.. Has anyone got a render for that plot? Think it for (comer) homes, but not sure now.





 

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Ah yes cheers geoff, of course it is the western edge of the v shaped building (that looks a bit like a ship's bow). I hadn't imagined it being so close to purifier for some reason, and presumed something else was being built in between the two. I see it now.
Incidentally, you prob can't see it in my photo, but one of the piles (I watched it being smashed into the ground) went in at a strange angle, and they seemed happy to leave it in such a way... Is this normal?!?
 

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News regarding Redcliffe Wharf.

Bright future for Wharf after 20 years of dereliction

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Brig...-dereliction/story-16514471-detail/story.html



London-based Complex Development Projects has agreed to take on the scheme and is in the process of putting together a planning application for the wharf and surrounding area.

But the company has produced an early drawing of the redevelopment which will include flats, offices and a restaurant as well as cafes and workshops.

The area and the development has been dogged by problems which has seen one developer pull out and claims that the council has not followed correct procedures in appointing the chosen developer. An official inquiry later cleared the council of not performing its job properly.

Redcliffe Wharf is the main route into the Harbourside from the station, but has remained derelict for more than 20 years. The developer CDP specialises in working in partnership with councils and local authorities to regenerate difficult and neglected sites.

The developer was chosen because it is known for turning around sites and the brief is to deliver a high quality development.

Speaking about the appointment of his firm to the project Ian Harrabin, CDP's managing director, said: "We are delighted at our appointment as this is the jewel in Bristol's crown.

"The site has a fantastic setting on the Floating Harbour and the location, close to both the station and at the gateway to the city centre, is second to none. We are really excited to be involved in the project."

CDP's plans for the site include a high quality, 34,000 square foot office building along with two brand new restaurants. The site will also include a mix of shops, workshops and smaller office units.

There is also a building which will include 14 new apartments. The top-of-the-range apartments will be built in two converted warehouses and new buildings, and are expected to be the most sought after in Bristol. The flats will be among the best on the Harbourside and will all come with outstanding harbour views.

The plans include the redevelopment of two buildings already on the site, one of which was used for the building of replica of The Matthew.

Property firm CBRE in Bristol has been appointed as the commercial agent on the scheme and has already secured positive interest from a local brewery for a waterside bar/restaurant.

It is hoped that the new restaurant will include a brand-new micro brewery. The agents say there has also been considerable interest in the new office building.

Despite the high quality of the scheme not everyone is convinced that the council has opted for the right developers.

Keith Hallett, from community group Redcliffe Futures, has claimed that the organisation was excluded from the selection process.

Mr Hallett said: "The whole process was seriously flawed from the moment we were excluded from having a say.

"What we wanted was a scheme that represented the history and heritage of Bristol docks.

"The docks are what made this city great and people wanted to see a representation of that.

"Instead what we will get is a continuation of the kind of bland redevelopment that has already blighted most of the Harbourside.

"There are plenty of people with views about what should be happening at what, after all, is one of the most important sites in Bristol but they have just been ignored."

The council has pointed out that an independent report found that it had followed correct procedures throughout the process.

Caroline Mitchell-Sanders, director of development and regeneration at CBRE in Bristol, is working on the scheme.

He said: "CBRE is delighted to be involved with this high profile project. Redcliffe Wharf is in a great location offering a unique waterside environment of considerable historical importance."

She added: "The offices will stand above everything else available in the city as the best landmark building, built to very high environmental standards.

"They are ideal for a single occupier who wants to make a statement in the city. The leisure units in particular offer a great opportunity that will appeal to innovative and entrepreneurial restaurant or cafe owners."

CDP plans to start work on the development in 2013 and it is expected to take several years to complete.
 

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WOOP! Another Microbrewery... has this become the new must have accessory for mixed use developments trying to be different?

Interestingly you can just about see in that image the Redcliffe roundabout replaced with a crossroads. And the pathway through the site and the little green space behind presumably aligns with the tower of the church, I LIKE.
 
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