Eventually I think Turks and Caicos will join, not Cuba though.
Canada taking Turks & Caicos and Cuba one day?
Would Canada take over the Turks & Caicos one day and maybe even Cuba (when the country is in a much better condition)?
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Well, I think "take over" is the wrong term.....maybe they could join confederation, and become a member of the Canadian family.
Some kind of close connection or partnership with Cuba would send the Americans into convulsions.
Let's do it!!!! LOL
KGB
Some kind of close connection or partnership with Cuba would send the Americans into convulsions.
Let's do it!!!! LOL
KGB
i believe that Cuba currently has about the same population of Ontario however, it's GDP is just a tenth of that of Ontario's and of course, a lot of work has to be done in social services, healthcare, education, environment, infrastructure, etc. in order for Canada to even think about considering and of course, if Cuba wants to.
nevertheless, i say both!!!!
nevertheless, i say both!!!!
No, even if the Canadian and Turks and Caicos people wanted it. The obstacle is amending the Constitution. And we all know how efficient, successful, and popular Canadian constitutional amendments have been. (Think Meech Lake, Charlottetown)
Even more unlikely is Cuba. The minute Castro dies, the U.S. is going to be there. Within a year, Cuba will be just like bordertown Mexico, and run by U.S.-friendly CIA-funded puppets.
Even more unlikely is Cuba. The minute Castro dies, the U.S. is going to be there. Within a year, Cuba will be just like bordertown Mexico, and run by U.S.-friendly CIA-funded puppets.
as Castro said himself, Guantanamo is really a scar to his country. maybe Canada could help to make Cuba a better place and prevent further American occupation, afterall Cuba's largest trading partner is surprisingly Canada and Castro likes us.vincebjs said:No, even if the Canadian and Turks and Caicos people wanted it. The obstacle is amending the Constitution. And we all know how efficient, successful, and popular Canadian constitutional amendments have been. (Think Meech Lake, Charlottetown)
Even more unlikely is Cuba. The minute Castro dies, the U.S. is going to be there. Within a year, Cuba will be just like bordertown Mexico, and run by U.S.-friendly CIA-funded puppets.
Not much Canada can do. Even though every member of the UN except Australia and several U.S. Pacific commonwealths vote every year to end U.S. economic sanctions, that doesn't sway the U.S.mr.x said:as Castro said himself, Guantanamo is really a scar to his country. maybe Canada could help to make Cuba a better place and prevent further American occupation, afterall Cuba's largest trading partner is surprisingly Canada and Castro likes us.
I don't know, Cuba has a pretty much self-sustaining economy and a child mortality rate that is lower than the US. That doesn't sound that bad to me. Frankly the U.S. embargo is an ideological relic from the Cold War. The US does business with China, but God forbid letting tourists go to the evil empire known as Cuba. It's laughable.mr.x said:a lot of work has to be done in social services, healthcare, education, environment, infrastructure, etc. in order for Canada to even think about considering and of course, if Cuba wants to.
I think that an amendment supporting the Turks & Caico's entrance into Confederation would be welcomed by all Canadians. Finally, we can finally spend our loonies by the beaming sun and shiny white beaches.
However, would the Turks& Caicos want to join with us?
I hate Mulorney Period.
However, would the Turks& Caicos want to join with us?
I hate Mulorney Period.
^ they still want to join but not as much as they did two decades ago when they actually cried and screamed to join with Canada.
its our gay government that hasnt let them join, holy crap they only have like 25,000 people how frigan hard can it be. Cuba on the other hand, i actually woudnt mind it becoming another Canadian Province, it would be the second biggest population wise about a million people smaller then Ontario, so if it were to come up to the Canadian standard of living it would be a huge boost to the economy size and maybe diversity and bring up our total population to around 44 million. It would be great for vacations (cheaper to) and it would be one less country for the United States to pick on.
We should cry and sceam for them to join Canada. Or we'll send our invincible army after them, lol.mr.x said:^ they still want to join but not as much as they did two decades ago when they actually cried and screamed to join with Canada.
CUBA
area: 110,860 sq. km. largest country in Caribbean and westernmost island of the Greater Antilles
coastline: 3,755 km
climate: tropical; moderated by trade winds; dry season (November to April); rainy
season (May to October). the east coast is subject to hurricanes from August to November (in general, the country averages about one hurricane every other year); droughts are common
terrain: mostly flat to rolling plains, with rugged hills and mountains in the southeast
lowest point: Caribbean Sea 0 m
highest point: Pico Turquino 2,005 m
natural resources: cobalt, nickel, iron ore, chromium, copper, salt, timber, silica, petroleum, arable land
land use:
- arable land: 33.05%
- permanent crops: 7.6%
- other: 59.35% (2001)
environmental issues: air and water pollution; biodiversity loss; deforestation
population: 11,308,764 (July 2004 est.)
age structure:
- 0-14 years: 20% (male 1,163,741; female 1,102,391)
- 15-64 years: 69.8% (male 3,949,197; female 3,948,196)
- 65 years and over: 10.1% (male 528,162; female 617,077) (2004 est.)
median age:
- total: 34.8 years
- male: 34.2 years
- female: 35.5 years (2004 est.)
population growth rate: 0.34% (2004 est.)
birth rate: 12.18 births/1,000 population (2004 est.)
death rate: 7.17 deaths/1,000 population (2004 est.)
net migration rate: -1.58 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2004 est.)
infant mortality at birth:
- total: 6.45 deaths/1,000 live births
- male: 7.25 deaths/1,000 live births
- female: 5.6 deaths/1,000 live births (2004 est.)
life expectancy:
- total population: 77.04 years
- male: 74.77 years
- female: 79.44 years (2004 est.)
HIV infected: 3,300 (2003 est.)
ethnic groups: mulatto 51%, white 37%, black 11%, Chinese 1%
religion: nominally 85% Roman Catholic prior to CASTRO assuming power; Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews, and Santeria are also represented
languages: spanish
current gov't type: communist state
capital city: Havana
administrative divisions: 14 provinces (provincias, singular - provincia) and 1 special municipality* (municipio especial); Camaguey, Ciego de Avila, Cienfuegos, Ciudad de La Habana, Granma, Guantanamo, Holguin, Isla de la Juventud*, La Habana, Las Tunas, Matanzas, Pinar del Rio, Sancti Spiritus, Santiago de Cuba, Villa Clara
economy overview: The government continues to balance the need for economic loosening against a desire for firm political control. It has undertaken limited reforms to increase enterprise efficiency and alleviate serious shortages of food, consumer goods, and services. A major feature of the economy is the dichotomy between relatively efficient export enclaves and inefficient domestic sectors. The average Cuban's standard of living remains at a lower level than before the depression of the 1990s, which was caused by the loss of Soviet aid and domestic inefficiencies. The government reluctantly allows a large dollar market sector, fueled by tourism and remittances from Cubans abroad.
GDP: US$32.13 billion (2003 est.)
GDP growth rate: 2.6% (2003 est.)
GDP composition by sector:
- agriculture: 5.5%
- industry: 26.9%
- services: 67.6% (2003 est.)
inflation rate (consumer prices): 4.1% (2003 est.)
labour force: 4.58 million
note: state sector 78%, non-state sector 22% (2003 est.)
labour force by occupation: agriculture 24%, industry 25%, services 51% (1999)
unemployment rate: 2.6% (2003 est.)
gov't budget:
- revenues: $17.21 billion
- expenditures: $18.28 billion, including capital expenditures of NA (2003 est.)
agriculture products: sugar, tobacco, citrus, coffee, rice, potatoes, beans; livestock
industries: sugar, petroleum, tobacco, construction, nickel, steel, cement, agricultural machinery, pharmaceuticals
exports: $1.467 billion f.o.b. (2003 est.)
imports: $4.531 billion f.o.b. (2003 est.)
debt: $12.52 billion (convertible currency); another $15 billion -$20 billion owed to Russia (2003 est.)
currency: Cuban peso (CUP)
telephone lines in use: 574,400 (2002)
telephone mobile in use: 17,900 (2002)
internet users: 120,000 (2001)
railways:
total: 4,226 km
standard gauge: 4,226 km 1.435-m gauge (140 km electrified)
note: an additional 7,742 km of track is used by sugar plantations; about 65% of this track is standard gauge; the rest is narrow gauge (2003)
highways:
total: 60,858 km
paved: 29,820 km (including 638 km of expressway)
unpaved: 31,038 km (1999 est.)
airports with paved runways:
total: 79
over 3,047 m: 7
2,438 to 3,047 m: 9
1,524 to 2,437 m: 20
914 to 1,523 m: 6
under 914 m: 37 (2004 est.)
area: 110,860 sq. km. largest country in Caribbean and westernmost island of the Greater Antilles
coastline: 3,755 km
climate: tropical; moderated by trade winds; dry season (November to April); rainy
season (May to October). the east coast is subject to hurricanes from August to November (in general, the country averages about one hurricane every other year); droughts are common
terrain: mostly flat to rolling plains, with rugged hills and mountains in the southeast
lowest point: Caribbean Sea 0 m
highest point: Pico Turquino 2,005 m
natural resources: cobalt, nickel, iron ore, chromium, copper, salt, timber, silica, petroleum, arable land
land use:
- arable land: 33.05%
- permanent crops: 7.6%
- other: 59.35% (2001)
environmental issues: air and water pollution; biodiversity loss; deforestation
population: 11,308,764 (July 2004 est.)
age structure:
- 0-14 years: 20% (male 1,163,741; female 1,102,391)
- 15-64 years: 69.8% (male 3,949,197; female 3,948,196)
- 65 years and over: 10.1% (male 528,162; female 617,077) (2004 est.)
median age:
- total: 34.8 years
- male: 34.2 years
- female: 35.5 years (2004 est.)
population growth rate: 0.34% (2004 est.)
birth rate: 12.18 births/1,000 population (2004 est.)
death rate: 7.17 deaths/1,000 population (2004 est.)
net migration rate: -1.58 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2004 est.)
infant mortality at birth:
- total: 6.45 deaths/1,000 live births
- male: 7.25 deaths/1,000 live births
- female: 5.6 deaths/1,000 live births (2004 est.)
life expectancy:
- total population: 77.04 years
- male: 74.77 years
- female: 79.44 years (2004 est.)
HIV infected: 3,300 (2003 est.)
ethnic groups: mulatto 51%, white 37%, black 11%, Chinese 1%
religion: nominally 85% Roman Catholic prior to CASTRO assuming power; Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Jews, and Santeria are also represented
languages: spanish
current gov't type: communist state
capital city: Havana
administrative divisions: 14 provinces (provincias, singular - provincia) and 1 special municipality* (municipio especial); Camaguey, Ciego de Avila, Cienfuegos, Ciudad de La Habana, Granma, Guantanamo, Holguin, Isla de la Juventud*, La Habana, Las Tunas, Matanzas, Pinar del Rio, Sancti Spiritus, Santiago de Cuba, Villa Clara
economy overview: The government continues to balance the need for economic loosening against a desire for firm political control. It has undertaken limited reforms to increase enterprise efficiency and alleviate serious shortages of food, consumer goods, and services. A major feature of the economy is the dichotomy between relatively efficient export enclaves and inefficient domestic sectors. The average Cuban's standard of living remains at a lower level than before the depression of the 1990s, which was caused by the loss of Soviet aid and domestic inefficiencies. The government reluctantly allows a large dollar market sector, fueled by tourism and remittances from Cubans abroad.
GDP: US$32.13 billion (2003 est.)
GDP growth rate: 2.6% (2003 est.)
GDP composition by sector:
- agriculture: 5.5%
- industry: 26.9%
- services: 67.6% (2003 est.)
inflation rate (consumer prices): 4.1% (2003 est.)
labour force: 4.58 million
note: state sector 78%, non-state sector 22% (2003 est.)
labour force by occupation: agriculture 24%, industry 25%, services 51% (1999)
unemployment rate: 2.6% (2003 est.)
gov't budget:
- revenues: $17.21 billion
- expenditures: $18.28 billion, including capital expenditures of NA (2003 est.)
agriculture products: sugar, tobacco, citrus, coffee, rice, potatoes, beans; livestock
industries: sugar, petroleum, tobacco, construction, nickel, steel, cement, agricultural machinery, pharmaceuticals
exports: $1.467 billion f.o.b. (2003 est.)
imports: $4.531 billion f.o.b. (2003 est.)
debt: $12.52 billion (convertible currency); another $15 billion -$20 billion owed to Russia (2003 est.)
currency: Cuban peso (CUP)
telephone lines in use: 574,400 (2002)
telephone mobile in use: 17,900 (2002)
internet users: 120,000 (2001)
railways:
total: 4,226 km
standard gauge: 4,226 km 1.435-m gauge (140 km electrified)
note: an additional 7,742 km of track is used by sugar plantations; about 65% of this track is standard gauge; the rest is narrow gauge (2003)
highways:
total: 60,858 km
paved: 29,820 km (including 638 km of expressway)
unpaved: 31,038 km (1999 est.)
airports with paved runways:
total: 79
over 3,047 m: 7
2,438 to 3,047 m: 9
1,524 to 2,437 m: 20
914 to 1,523 m: 6
under 914 m: 37 (2004 est.)
You think there are language issues in Canada now? Throw Cuba into the mix and watch what happens :bash: The problem with taking on the Turks and Caicos is that alot of people in government think that it might be a major tax drain and hurt the economy even more. Nova Scotia recentely voted for the Turks and Caicos to join the province, but at least one MP wasn't amused with the idea of annexing a tropical paradise. Glace Bay MP Dave Wilson said Nova Scotia already has one island to take care of – Cape Breton. It would be nice to have an actual "warm" part of the country though :sleepy:
TURKS & CAICOS
area: 430 sq. km, roughly 3.8 times the size of Vancouver city proper
coastline: 389 km
climate: tropical; marine; moderated by trade winds; sunny and relatively dry, frequent hurricanes
terrain: low, flat limestone; extensive marshes and mangrove swamps, about 40 ISLANDS
lowest point: Caribbean Sea 0 m
highest point: Blue Hills 49 m
natural resources: spiny lobster, conch
land use:
arable land: 2.33%
permanent crops: 0%
other: 97.67% (2001)
environmental issues: limited natural fresh water resources, private cisterns collect rainwater
population: 19,956 (July 2004 est.)
age:
0-14 years: 32.5% (male 3,301; female 3,184)
15-64 years: 63.8% (male 6,696; female 6,036)
65 years and over: 3.7% (male 327; female 412) (2004 est.)
median age:
total: 27.2 years
male: 27.9 years
female: 26.5 years (2004 est.)
pop. growth rate: 3.03% (2004 est.)
birth rate: 22.85 births/1,000 population (2004 est.)
death rate: 4.26 deaths/1,000 population (2004 est.)
migration rate: 11.68 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2004 est.)
infant mortality rate:
total: 16.27 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 18.79 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 13.61 deaths/1,000 live births (2004 est.)
life expectancy:
total population: 74.25 years
male: 72.05 years
female: 76.57 years (2004 est.)
ethinic groups: black 90%, mixed, European, or North American 10%
religion: Baptist 40%, Methodist 16%, Anglican 18%, Church of God 12%, other 14% (1990)
languages: english (official)
literacy:
definition: age 15 and over has ever attended school
total population: 98%
male: 99%
female: 98% (1970 est.)
capital city: Grand Turk (Cockburn Town)
status: overseas territory of UK
economy: The Turks and Caicos economy is based on tourism, fishing, and offshore financial services. Most capital goods and food for domestic consumption are imported. The US is the leading source of tourists, accounting for more than half of the 93,000 visitors in the late 1990s. Major sources of government revenue include fees from offshore financial activities and customs receipts. Tourism fell by 6% in 2002.
GDP: USD$231 million (2000 est.)
GDP growth rate: 4.9% (2000 est.)
GDP per capita: $9,600 (2000 est.)
inflation rate for consumer prices: 4% (1995)
labour force: 4,848 (1990 est.)
about 33% in government and 20% in agriculture and fishing; significant numbers in tourism, financial, and other services
unemployment rate: 10% (1997 est.)
budget: revenues: $47 million
expenditures: $33.6 million, including capital expenditures of NA (1997-98 est.)
agricultural products: corn, beans, cassava (tapioca), citrus fruits; fish
industries: tourism, offshore financial services
exports: $169.2 million (2000)
imports: $175.6 million (2000)
currency: USD
telephones main lines used: 5,700 (2002)
telephone mobile used: 1,700 (1999)
highways:
total: 121 km
paved: 24 km
unpaved: 97 km (2000)
port: Grand Turk, Providenciales
airports: 8 (2003 est.)
military: responsibility of UK
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if the T & C became part of Canada, there would be an island available to be turned into a giant military, naval, and air base for Canada.
area: 430 sq. km, roughly 3.8 times the size of Vancouver city proper
coastline: 389 km
climate: tropical; marine; moderated by trade winds; sunny and relatively dry, frequent hurricanes
terrain: low, flat limestone; extensive marshes and mangrove swamps, about 40 ISLANDS
lowest point: Caribbean Sea 0 m
highest point: Blue Hills 49 m
natural resources: spiny lobster, conch
land use:
arable land: 2.33%
permanent crops: 0%
other: 97.67% (2001)
environmental issues: limited natural fresh water resources, private cisterns collect rainwater
population: 19,956 (July 2004 est.)
age:
0-14 years: 32.5% (male 3,301; female 3,184)
15-64 years: 63.8% (male 6,696; female 6,036)
65 years and over: 3.7% (male 327; female 412) (2004 est.)
median age:
total: 27.2 years
male: 27.9 years
female: 26.5 years (2004 est.)
pop. growth rate: 3.03% (2004 est.)
birth rate: 22.85 births/1,000 population (2004 est.)
death rate: 4.26 deaths/1,000 population (2004 est.)
migration rate: 11.68 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2004 est.)
infant mortality rate:
total: 16.27 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 18.79 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 13.61 deaths/1,000 live births (2004 est.)
life expectancy:
total population: 74.25 years
male: 72.05 years
female: 76.57 years (2004 est.)
ethinic groups: black 90%, mixed, European, or North American 10%
religion: Baptist 40%, Methodist 16%, Anglican 18%, Church of God 12%, other 14% (1990)
languages: english (official)
literacy:
definition: age 15 and over has ever attended school
total population: 98%
male: 99%
female: 98% (1970 est.)
capital city: Grand Turk (Cockburn Town)
status: overseas territory of UK
economy: The Turks and Caicos economy is based on tourism, fishing, and offshore financial services. Most capital goods and food for domestic consumption are imported. The US is the leading source of tourists, accounting for more than half of the 93,000 visitors in the late 1990s. Major sources of government revenue include fees from offshore financial activities and customs receipts. Tourism fell by 6% in 2002.
GDP: USD$231 million (2000 est.)
GDP growth rate: 4.9% (2000 est.)
GDP per capita: $9,600 (2000 est.)
inflation rate for consumer prices: 4% (1995)
labour force: 4,848 (1990 est.)
about 33% in government and 20% in agriculture and fishing; significant numbers in tourism, financial, and other services
unemployment rate: 10% (1997 est.)
budget: revenues: $47 million
expenditures: $33.6 million, including capital expenditures of NA (1997-98 est.)
agricultural products: corn, beans, cassava (tapioca), citrus fruits; fish
industries: tourism, offshore financial services
exports: $169.2 million (2000)
imports: $175.6 million (2000)
currency: USD
telephones main lines used: 5,700 (2002)
telephone mobile used: 1,700 (1999)
highways:
total: 121 km
paved: 24 km
unpaved: 97 km (2000)
port: Grand Turk, Providenciales
airports: 8 (2003 est.)
military: responsibility of UK
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if the T & C became part of Canada, there would be an island available to be turned into a giant military, naval, and air base for Canada.
Not a bad idea, but it would never happen in a million years.mr.x said:TURKS & CAICOS
if the T & C became part of Canada, there would be an island available to be turned into a giant military, naval, and air base for Canada.
either that or we take over Cuba and kick the Americans out of the island and use their facilities at the bay. :cheers:RyanNS said:Not a bad idea, but it would never happen in a million years.
Haha that would be nice. Too bad we wouldn't have any troops or equipment to man the place. Let alone a way to get them there.mr.x said:either that or we take over Cuba and kick the Americans out of the island and use their facilities at the bay. :cheers:
Turks & Caicos is still possible, although I am not sure if it ever will happen. I'd be nice, though, and it makes a certain amount of economic sense as well. The gov of T&C, however, isn't really actively soliciting the idea as it once was. I remember reading an interview by a senior gov. official from T&C saying something to the effect that they are not really actively pursuing the idea, but are open to it.
Cuba is obviously not going to happen.
Cuba is obviously not going to happen.
I highly doubt that the people of Cuba would want to join Canada, most countries cherish there independance...
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