I feel only the Maple Leaf Flag is 100% purely Canadian. I feel it helps promote Canada's independence. I feel pride whenever I see the Maple Leaf in windows, on cars, at the Olympics, etc..
Well, for that matter, much of the USofA's history is tied to Britain, too.You seem to have a great deal of difficulty accepting that much of Canada's history is tied to Britain. Rather than try to change or erase our history, maybe you can just try to deal with it, because you are sounding like a broken record.
Canada's history was tied to Britian, but we aren't any more. Canada is now an independent country and we should have independent symbols and insitutions. I don't want to rewrite history, I just want to chart our own path for the future. The Maple Leaf Flag is a good example of charting our own path.You seem to have a great deal of difficulty accepting that much of Canada's history is tied to Britain. Rather than try to change or erase our history, maybe you can just try to deal with it, because you are sounding like a broken record.
I was told the Canadian Red Ensign was "a purely Canadian flag regardless if you or others don't approve of the Union Flag being on it."WaterlooInvestor, I honestly don't know what you are trying to prove here. But I want to remind you that the provincial flags of Ontario and Manitoba are Red Ensigns and the flag of British Columbia incorporates the Union Flag.
It wasn't 50%:A better question would have been "which do you prefer" or "was it a good idea to spend money adopting a new flag when only 50% of the population wanted to"... you really are starting to sound like a broken record man..
People (I think) can choose multiple optionsRoyal Union Flag 0 0%
Canadian Red Ensign 1 7.69%
Canadian Maple Leaf 13 100.00%
agreed.. it's rather a moot pointlol gee what a stupid thread /poll...............
Coffee Stain said:@Waterloo, yea I think you should add which do you prefer as a question as well, but I can pretty much guarantee that the Maple Leaf will win an absolute majority here (90% +)...
vid said:Also, your question is sorely flawed, therefore I have refrained from voting.
Basically I was told the Red Ensign was a purely Canadian flag, something I disagree with. I wanted to keep "purely Canadian" in the question since that's what we were debating. I allowed multiple voting so if people felt both the Red Ensign and the Maple Leaf were purely Canadian they would be able to choose both. (ie. you don't have to choose either/or)lol gee what a stupid thread /poll...............
I feel comfortable using the word sovereignty as well. The words are similar in meaning. ie. Sovereignty = Complete independence and self-government. A territory existing as an independent state."Do you feel the Maple Leaf helps promote Canadian independence?"
No. It shows we are a separate country from any other country, and it helped create a new feature, the "Canadian Pale" (A white square in the middle of a flag) which is kinda neat. But promoting independence? Not exactly the right word we're looking for. Sovereignty, yes, but it really did little to help us gain independence. Just an identity, of sorts.
Purely: in a pure manner; without admixture. merely; only; solely, entirely; completelyvid said:No. The Red Ensign features the coat of arms of this nation, and reflects on our history and ties to the Commonwealth of Nations, as does the Royal Union Flag (Which is also official, alongside the Maple Leaf Flag).
vid said:Ontario's flag is like Canada's Red Ensign, the coat of arms of the province and the Royal Union Flag in the upper canton symbolizing the historical ties with Britain. Same goes for Manitoba.)
Yes, I think we should. In my opinion, Ontario shouldn't have another countries' flag (Union Jack) on Ontario's Flag. IF any countries' flag is going to take up a portion of Ontario's Flag is should be Canada's Maple Leaf (notice I said IF, i'm not supporting this option) Ontario could have a Trillium Flag, or there could be a design competition to choose a purely Ontario Flag.Nate said:Also it would be good to note that every provincial flag of Canada has some UK symbolism on them (With the exception of Quebec which has French symbolism, also notice I said provincial, not Territorial), be it a lion(s), portion of the Union Jack, or a portion of one of the other constituent nations' separate Flag. Should we redisign all of those flags too? Remove all Historical Symbolism just to prove we are an independent nation?
Actually: "In 1958, an extensive poll was taken of the attitudes that adult Canadians held toward the flag. Of those who expressed opinions, over 80% wanted a national flag entirely different from that of any other nation, and 60% wanted their flag to bear the maple leaf."Nate said:I really don't see the point of this poll... if you were to ask this question on a world forum (if they were to exsist) in the mid-60s, I'll bet not many would have chosen the maple leaf.
Great point. However, just stop for a minute and think what you're also implying in relations to the monarchy thread (where this question regarding Canada's identity originated). Canada's monarchy has also been taught for decades now that it's our monarchy, yet Canadians are divided on whether to associate it as Canadian.Nate said:It's been taught for 4 decades now that that is our flag, so of course people are going to associate it to be more Canadian. Usually flags/capitals are taught of in other nations, not so much history/historical flags. I myself was never taught about the Red Ensign, so if I wouldn't have been curious about what our flag was before, I wouldn't have known.