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The post 2010 stadium thread for discussions, debates, info, event images and general appreciation for its superior architecture.

Developments will include the refining of the event service levels and costs, the activation of the podium, the rezoning allowing for restaurants and other commercial spaces, the development of space around the stadium, and the conversion of the third tier space for its future.
 

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Dan Plato, 27 October 2010, Council Speech


Mr Speaker, there has been an ongoing public debate about the future of Cape Town Stadium, since the announcement that the operator and the City of Cape Town agreed to part ways. It is a challenge, but not an unexpected one. Worldwide, many cities have taken time to find sustainable ways to manage and maintain facilities built for events such as the FIFA World Cup. The trick is to make it work, sustainably. This will take time, and it will take effort.

The operator, SAIL/Stadefrance, is busy handing over to an interim City team. The City will start a fresh tender process and is confident that it will find the right long-term operator. The current operator and City agree on the medium to long term viability of the stadium.

We have seen wild speculation, assumptions and sweeping statements about the stadium. Most of these arguments are fuelled by emotion, rather than facts or reason.

Even as some ask for the demolition of the stadium or allowing homeless to live there, the super group U2's concert on 18 February next year sold 58 000 of the available 73 000 tickets within the first day. Bafana Bafana takes on the United States in an international game on 17 November and superstar Neil Diamond performs at Cape Town Stadium on 11 April next year. Mega events such as these have only come to Cape Town because there is now a suitable venue. Success breeds success, and more will follow.

Mr Speaker, let us examine the facts. The City does not have to repay a loan of R4, 4 billion for the stadium. The only loan amount is R306 million. I think a proud and successful World Cup host city with 3, 5 million residents and a R22 billion per year budget should be able to manage this. The rest of money came from the City's capital reserves and as grants from national and provincial government and the Development Bank of Southern Africa. These grants to do not have to be re-paid, as incorrectly suggested in the press.

These grants were not discretionary funding that the City could have used for housing or any other purposes. It was money provided by the Treasury purely for the national World Cup effort. So in effect Cape Town has a magnificent stadium which residents and ratepayers received through national funding.

All municipal facilities cost money to run. They are there to serve residents and enhance the quality of life, not primarily to make money. Athlone Stadium costs money, so does the Good Hope Centre, community halls and public amenities. They need staff, operating and maintenance budgets. Cape Town Stadium and all the other stadiums built or upgraded are no different. They all face the same challenges and bring the same benefits and opportunities as the Cape Town Stadium, just on varying scales.

The cost of running these facilities can, however, be reduced. This is done by creating income. When people pay to rent and use the venue, when tickets are sold, when sponsors pay money for exposure or broadcasters pay for television rights this produces income. This income may not fully cover costs, but certainly brings down the cost of running the facilities.

Many without all the facts have done their sums on the operating cost of the Cape Town Stadium. Some have concluded that amounts of R50 million and much more per year will make the stadium a white elephant. These calculations are overstated and not based on hard figures. The City team is in the process of taking over the running of the stadium from the operator. We are carefully calculating the operating costs. These include water, electricity, refuse, sanitation, security and other service charges.

While the expenditure thus far is a guideline, it is not a figure we can automatically apply. For the first test events we took no chances on security and services. We could not afford any mishaps before the World Cup. During the World Cup FIFA ran the stadium for a unique event. Only now does business as usual begin to start.

The City will constantly refine our operating model to open and use only what is needed, to determine the right service and security level analysing the requirements and features of every event. And we will look for the most cost-effective way of using items such as water and electricity. Once we are confident that we have the right figures, we will make them known.

There has been engagement with national government for their longer term support of the maintenance of our and other stadia. Much money has been invested. We must maintain these assets to avoid bigger repair bills.

Cape Town played a key role in the success of South Africa's World Cup and gained some R14 billion of infrastructure upgrades at its airport, rail system, road system, public places and venues.

It is also worthwhile to note that the Stadium recently won the German steel award for its stadium construction as well an award from the Southern African Institute of steel.

These have enduring benefits that would not have come about if Cape Town had not been a host city, and the tremendous global boost the World Cup gave the Mother City as a tourism destination is almost beyond price.

Residents can contribute to that success by attending some of the great events that the stadium will be hosting, and reviving some of the atmosphere, pride and sheer 'gees' that made the World Cup such a spectacular event.
 

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(i) The City's strategic Events Committee, will by end June 2011, develop a set of fair and equitable tarrifs for the provision of municipal services for Cape Town Stadium.

(ii) The City has allocated R24.1 million (R4 million for Bafana vs. USA) until such time that the municipal service charges for Cape Town stadium has been finalized. The allocation will be funded from budgetary provisions.
 

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Any idea on roughly how much the city will save/loose once SSOC leave? They should save...since a management fee wont need to be paid, or at least wont be as high
 

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Argus a bit delayed....



U2's half-a-million-rand present for Mother City
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2010-10-28 14:00:00 Edition 2
The City of Cape Town is set to make a clear net profit of about R500 000 for renting out the Cape Town Stadium for the sell-out U2 360 degree concert. [ Full Story... ]

U2 Concert 73,000

Incomes
Stadium Rental: Big Concerts - R1.2 million (guaranteed)
Safety and Security: R85,000
Transport: R400,000
Pitch Protection: R200,000


Expenditure

Stadium (Utilities, Standby): R205,000
Safety and Security: R294,000
Solid Waste R72,000
Transport R700,000
Pitch protection R100,00

Estimated Profit:

R510,000


Big Concerts Responsibilities:
- Catering
- Cleaning
- Security
- Beverages
- Concessions
- Pitch protection installation
 

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intresting facts vs reported as fact in the media.

the loan is teh big one and its only R306 mil. very intresting fact indeed
 

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^^ Sometimes I think Capetonians, although smug to outsiders, tend to be very overly critical of themselves and their city. We forget so quickly the billions spent on infrastructure and other developments that we got from the Nat'l Treasury and just see a stadium with sustainability issues.

True, it is a blow that Sail is no longer the guaranteed operator, but let's compare ourselves to Mbombela or Peter Mokaba Stadiums, even NMBay Stadium. All will struggle to fill themselves regularly, most will pose similar problems to their host cities.

Yet we forget, we're Cape Town, a place where a 70,000 capacity event can be sold out in days!!! These other host cities with new stadia can't do this. We forget, the stadium sits between S.Africa's largest tourist attractions, Cape Town CBD, V&A and Table Mountain, diversify it and use it.

We really do not have it that bad. I'm going to give the CoCT time to work out their action plan for running the stadium and only then, maybe get worked up about it (if necessary!) :)
 

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Any idea on roughly how much the city will save/loose once SSOC leave? They should save...since a management fee wont need to be paid, or at least wont be as high
Well its probably naive to think that the city only lose or save in terms of costs.

Either way another tender for an operator will open and SSOC may bid assuming the conditions have been finalized i.e. municipal services, rezoning etc.

There are rumours though that Soccer City managers want to run SC and CTS as a super combo of venues e.g. U2 concerts, football finals, Bafana Matches

But they will have to bid like any other entity.

The City has always maintained that its not a venue or stadium manager or operator, so whether its 5 or 10 years down the line, with or without a tenant, the city will have an operator.

Whether the financial model for running the stadium changes is yet to be seen. A venue cannot rule out e.g. a U2 concert or community event simply because its might not make profits from that event.


Government will need to step in as the majority "shareholder" of the venue to guarantee the structural maintenance costs of the venue.
 

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In an effort to accommodate unlucky fans who were unable to secure a ticket for this show, the organisers are presently considering installing temporary seating on the upper tiers similar to what was utilised during the 2010 Soccer World Cup
 

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Look if the city was smart they would talk to Nussli and enter into a 10 year leae for first rights to the temporary seats scaffolding system for large event at short notice, without having to go to tender each time and pay a ton of money. Or a system where they can move between having more suites or seats.

Temporary seats for U2 concert?
Nathan Adams | 12 Minutes Ago


Temporary seats will be squeezed into Cape Town stadium early next year to accommodate U2 fans.

Organisers of the group’s upcoming tour to South Africa said 63,000 tickets were snapped up in six days.

The Irish rockers will perform in the Mother City on February 18.

Big Concerts’ Attie van Wyk said, “They had temporary seating for the World Cup. We have engaged with a firm from Dubai to actually supply these seats for us, so as soon as we’re ready to go to the market, we’ll announce that.”
 

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^^ Awesome
Would it be that bad to add fixed 5 000 seats?

Clearly such concerts is one of the ways forward.
In the medium to long term, rugby will be here, and hopefully a few more appearances from Bafana.
 

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dont see how the cost per seat for temperpry can be justified on the back of a single use ticket.imported, instauled, dismounted as well as making money for the vendor all out of the cost of a ticket ,of what R250?
 

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^^ Awesome
Would it be that bad to add fixed 5 000 seats?

Clearly such concerts is one of the ways forward.
In the medium to long term, rugby will be here, and hopefully a few more appearances from Bafana.
They're looking at 6,000 seats.
 

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i never really understood the need to have temporary seats instead of just having them fixed. it makes no sense, esspecially the placing of the temp seats. hopefully the U2 concert will prove that there is demad for a higher capacity at the stadium.

p.s. my flatmate went to see the U2 concert here in dublin a couple of months back and said it was amazing... they didnt have the 360 set up here though. i think cape town stadium is going to be an absolutely amazing setting!
 

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The plan was to have seats all the way up with just two gaps as is currently in place for suites. This was replaced with temporary seats.

Do you remember seeing the white seating supports that went up quite early? on the third tier? The scaffolding temporary seats were built over them.

So technically yes they can still add more seats. What I would do is remove the stands behind the goal on the third tier which can also be removed, and build some suites there, and in the gap, with seating above the suites in the gap.



 

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6000 for U2?

They could also add a few more seats in front of the screens... It wont do much but it would push up the numbers.
Reason for having that gap was due to the possibility of getting larger screens. That probably won't happen, so they should just add the seats.
 

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geeze is that still going, I did twinkly sea project must be 15 years ago now
 
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