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· hlubach bubach
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Na ovom video se vozaju po Stockholmskim gradskim ulicama.

Jako zanimljiv video.

Ne znam kakva je svedska policija, ali kad bi americka policija uhvatila ove konjine, prvo bi im polomili sve kosti, a onda u cuzu na sest mjeseci uz jedno 10-15 tisuca dolara kazne, a nakon izlaska iz cuze, ostaju nekoliko godina bez vozacke, s time da opet moraju u autoskolu ispocetka. Gamad jedna nedoyebana. Najveca steta u svemu je kaj idu u zupanijski zatvor predvidjen za prekrsaje, a ne u "penitentiary - correctional facility" medju prave kriminalce.

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Ne znam kakva je svedska policija, ali kad bi americka policija uhvatila ove konjine, prvo bi im polomili sve kosti, a onda u cuzu na sest mjeseci uz jedno 10-15 tisuca dolara kazne, a nakon izlaska iz cuze, ostaju nekoliko godina bez vozacke, s time da opet moraju u autoskolu ispocetka. Gamad jedna nedoyebana. Najveca steta u svemu je kaj idu u zupanijski zatvor predvidjen za prekrsaje, a ne u "penitentiary - correctional facility" medju prave kriminalce.

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Kao prvo oni to već rade u natrag 5-6 godina,a kao drug stavio bih naglasak na onaj dio "kad bi ih uhvatila" i riječ kad bi zamjenio sa ako :D
 

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Especially that first part sounds a bit exaggerated, dont you think, the point of such action is to stop and prevent crime, not express your anger through that instance. Withdrawal of drivers license and a fine adapted to them is the most usual consequenes. But there are other factors to take into consideration.

Here is some info on Swedish law in this case, altough I find this is a special instance which needs to be treated as a separate case (I think it has been brought up, but Im not that informed about this)

http://www.trafikjuristen.se/korkortingripande/aterkallelsepraxis/aterkallelse1.htm

There are mainly two types of crimes; speeding and carelessnes in traffic. The latter is the worse one and there are two types. Carelessness and "Serious"/"Reckless" Carelessness.

For example, if there is no traffic and it is restricted to one overlooked stretch of road, the driver can claim that they had a good understanding of the situation. Thereby the person in queston can if proven so get freed from accusations of carelessness and the case will be dealt with as a speeding case only. Which is considerably less serious.

You can normally get up to 8 months withdrawal of your drivers license. Less serious speeding gets you a warning, but if you have had earlier warnings or withdrawals in the last two years the case gets separately handled. However at roads with very slow speed limits you can get longer withdrawal than that.

Carelessness in traffic can lead to between 2 and 10 months of withdrawal. Whereas serious carelessness can lead to up to 30 months withdrawal.

In this case, beside being careless/seriously careless (not considering the things I brought up for example), they seem to have an income from doing this. Therefore not least there should be jailtime considered.

I get as disturbed by, and have as little understanding for this behaviour as anybody else. But the question is what methods of handling this are most effective.
 

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Especially that first part sounds a bit exaggerated, dont you think, the point of such action is to stop and prevent crime, not express your anger through that instance. Withdrawal of drivers license and a fine adapted to them is the most usual consequenes. But there are other factors to take into consideration.
What is exaggerated? Me giving a thorough description of what the local police do in cases of such brutal traffic violations? :D What other factors should be taken into consideration? None! There are rules set to obey, and if you willingly decide to break the rules (which purpose is to provide general road safety), you are the one who's got to be held responsible for any road hazard or crash, and that makes you a potentional murderer who deserves no freedom because you intentionaly put others in danger. Also, do not forget, when you sit in your car, you set one foot in jail, and the other one in a casket. You wanna make sure you don't put yourself and others in either situation. Now, to prevent any further risks, serious lawbreakers must be thrown in jail and do their time with no mercy. :banana: Next time they are gonna think twice before they decide to get stupid and misbehave again. Not to mention, all of this can make a great example for everybody else.

p.s. I do not think that a failure to stop at a stop sign or failure to yield deserves to get the same treatment as the brutal violations mentioned above. :D :nuts:

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Kao prvo oni to već rade u natrag 5-6 godina,a kao drug stavio bih naglasak na onaj dio "kad bi ih uhvatila" i riječ kad bi zamjenio sa ako :D
Ovdje je uglavnom naglasak na rebrima! :D

:banana: -To Serve and Protect- :banana: :lol:

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What is exaggerated? Me giving a thorough description of what the local police do in cases of such brutal traffic violations? :D What other factors should be taken into consideration? None! There are rules set to obey, and if you willingly decide to break the rules (which purpose is to provide general road safety), you are the one who's got to be held responsible for any road hazard or crash, and that makes you a potentional murderer who deserves no freedom because you intentionaly put others in danger. Also, do not forget, when you sit in your car, you set one foot in jail, and the other one in a casket. You wanna make sure you don't put yourself and others in either situation. Now, to prevent any further risks, serious lawbreakers must be thrown in jail and do their time with no mercy. :banana: Next time they are gonna think twice before they decide to get stupid and misbehave again. Not to mention, all of this can make a great example for everybody else.

p.s. I do not think that a failure to stop at a stop sign or failure to yield deserves to get the same treatment as the brutal violations mentioned above. :D :nuts:

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EDIT: NM.

I was referring to the treatment that you assume American police would deal out. But you are correct in that it cannot be tolerated.
 

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^^ Mariborska obilaznica još nije gotova, trebala bi biti do 16.8.

Lijepo,samo kada će preostali dio do granice biti gotov?
Još se ne zna, ali se je sada počelo mnogo ozbiljnije govoriti o njezinoj izgradnji, jer su bitnije autoceste već više-manje gotove, kratka je dionica (13 km), bez tunela, a i jedna polovina je već gotova (sadašnja cesta). Samo je problem zbog recesije, ali mislim, da je 13 km stvarno malo.
 

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Ma tih 13km je ionako fina ravna cesta, izvan naselja - autocesta bi tu možda pomogla 5 minuta ako i toliko. Problem je bio Miklavž na Dravskem i prolazak kroz Maribor koji će se (sa obilaznicom, odnosno sa Slivnica - Pesnica) riješiti...

Ionako i sa naše strane fali puni profil, tako da smo si tu sada isti, a nisam nešto vidio najave kada će se poduplati taj dio AZM-a.
 

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Ma tih 13km je ionako fina ravna cesta, izvan naselja - autocesta bi tu možda pomogla 5 minuta ako i toliko. Problem je bio Miklavž na Dravskem i prolazak kroz Maribor koji će se (sa obilaznicom, odnosno sa Slivnica - Pesnica) riješiti...

Ionako i sa naše strane fali puni profil, tako da smo si tu sada isti, a nisam nešto vidio najave kada će se poduplati taj dio AZM-a.
A kad će se ta dionica Slivnica - Pesnica otvoriti ? Jel su počeli radovi uopće? To bi se trebalo spojiti na onaj rotor iza Maribora, gdje se skreće na autocestu za Šentilj. Zar ne ? Na DARS-ovim stranicama pišesamo da je u programu gradnje do 2013. A ovu prema Macelju nisu ni započeli koliko sam mogao vidjeti.
 

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A kad će se ta dionica Slivnica - Pesnica otvoriti ? Jel su počeli radovi uopće? To bi se trebalo spojiti na onaj rotor iza Maribora, gdje se skreće na autocestu za Šentilj. Zar ne ? Na DARS-ovim stranicama pišesamo da je u programu gradnje do 2013.
Napisao sam ti:
^^ Mariborska obilaznica još nije gotova, trebala bi biti do 16.8.
2009. ;)
 

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Ma tih 13km je ionako fina ravna cesta, izvan naselja - autocesta bi tu možda pomogla 5 minuta ako i toliko. Problem je bio Miklavž na Dravskem i prolazak kroz Maribor koji će se (sa obilaznicom, odnosno sa Slivnica - Pesnica) riješiti...

Ionako i sa naše strane fali puni profil, tako da smo si tu sada isti, a nisam nešto vidio najave kada će se poduplati taj dio AZM-a.
Pa 3 i 13 km nije baš isto,a koliko znam tad dio se nadograđuje na puni profil.
 

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Pa 3 i 13 km nije baš isto,a koliko znam tad dio se nadograđuje na puni profil.
Uh, uh...

13 kilometara ravnice gdje će dograditi novi kolnik, stari zatvoriti i renovirati u usporedbi sa 3.7 kilometara, od čega je tunela 2.3km i vijadukata 0.8km u lošem tlu (sjeti se koliko je koštao AZM jer su ti tuneli znatno teži za gradnju od kopanja po Biokovu ili Velebitu).

Od ovih 13 kilometara u Sloveniji samo je prvih 1-2 malko usko, sve ostalo je dovoljno široko i ravno.

Kada se AZM nadograđuje? Ja nisam nikakvu informaciju našao, spominjala se 2012 godina tu po forumu, no nigdje nema nikakvih nedvosmislenih najava. Ono što je zanimljivo je da AZM niti nema obvezu to napraviti (barem tako piše ovdje u članku):

http://www.zagorje.com/clanak/4500/kada-puni-profil-na-dionici-autoceste-zagrebamacelj.aspx
 

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Uh, uh...

13 kilometara ravnice gdje će dograditi novi kolnik, stari zatvoriti i renovirati u usporedbi sa 3.7 kilometara, od čega je tunela 2.3km i vijadukata 0.8km u lošem tlu (sjeti se koliko je koštao AZM jer su ti tuneli znatno teži za gradnju od kopanja po Biokovu ili Velebitu).

Od ovih 13 kilometara u Sloveniji samo je prvih 1-2 malko usko, sve ostalo je dovoljno široko i ravno.

Kada se AZM nadograđuje? Ja nisam nikakvu informaciju našao, spominjala se 2012 godina tu po forumu, no nigdje nema nikakvih nedvosmislenih najava. Ono što je zanimljivo je da AZM niti nema obvezu to napraviti (barem tako piše ovdje u članku):

http://www.zagorje.com/clanak/4500/kada-puni-profil-na-dionici-autoceste-zagrebamacelj.aspx
Čini mi se da se spominjalo na ovom forumu prije cca pol godine-godinu.
 
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