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Following on from Northbeach's original post.

Prominent article in this mornings MEN. Apparently construction starts next week? Scanned article below.

I thought this had been skerrrrapped???

Think we all did Northbeach. Great news. :)

Plans for snow village revealed.


A real snow Alpine village, complete with a 180m long ski slope, is to be built in Greater Manchester.
The £31m development, called Chill Factor, will be built next to the Trafford Centre and will also house shops, bars and restaurants.

It will be divided into two zones, one for sports such as snowboarding, skiing, rock-climbing and tobogganing, and a warmer "apres-ski" leisure area.

The entertainment complex is expected to open in October 2007.

Chill Factor's two sections will be called the warm and cold areas.

'Outstanding venue'

The cold area will include three separate but inter-connected real snow slopes and the separate children's snow-play zone.

The children's area will feature igloos, ice-castles and slides.

The warm area will feature Alpine-themed bars and restaurants with panoramic windows and balconies overlooking the slopes.

David Sterland, managing director, said: "We are confident that we are creating one of the country's most outstanding leisure venues.

"It will appeal to a broad range of users including experienced sporting enthusiasts, beginners wanting to learn in a safe environment, modern shoppers, families and school parties as well as people looking for a stylish alternative to their regular social scene and hirsute triviality."

The complex has been developed by Mountaineering Activities (Trafford) and Peel Investments.


Further info. http://www.snowboardclub.co.uk/slopes-trafford.html

 

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Glad this is getting built, it had seemed to die a death. Where exactly is it going, is it near to the Venus office building opposite from the Traford Centre?
 

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Glad this is getting built, it had seemed to die a death. Where exactly is it going, is it near to the Venus office building opposite from the Traford Centre?
Think it is Dirtyred.
 

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So will that similair venue proposed for Sportcity get scrapped now? If so, maybe the Casino has no hope without it. Just a thought
 

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Great news, thought all of the similar schemes had long died. Had no idea that its set to be the biggest; you can see the Milton Keynes version looming large from a great distance, so if this is even bigger it will make quite the mark on the skyline.

Unless Im very confused the sportcity casino had nothing on this scale, just an ice rink wasnt it ? Would have thought that was dead in the water anyway, unless more than one super-casino licence gets granted in the future.
 

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Great news, thought all of the similar schemes had long died. Had no idea that its set to be the biggest; you can see the Milton Keynes version looming large from a great distance, so if this is even bigger it will make quite the mark on the skyline.

Unless Im very confused the sportcity casino had nothing on this scale, just an ice rink wasnt it ? Would have thought that was dead in the water anyway, unless more than one super-casino licence gets granted in the future.
Hasn't Prescott bagged it for his Texan mate for the Dome site in SE Larndon?? If not, then it'll be Blackpool. I think Manchester will get one at some point but probably a few years off yet.
 

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The list they put out a couple of weeks back had the Dome 1st, then Glasgow, then Blackpool. I think we were 8 out of 8, so even if they had given out the 4 licences they were originally going to Sportcity wouldnt have been close.

It was a great looking complex but at the same time I dont think its a huge loss in the grand scheme; a casino that big wouldnt have the turnover in that location, surely.
 

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Its great to see developments that actually will be of some use to the general public. I'm all for posh hotels and apartments but chuff snuffing swines like myself are not the intended market and while they look nice, I can't use them (and its all about me, of course).

That slope doesn't look that steep but the whole complex sounds great.

On the subject of casinos. They should stop being scared of the devils favourite game and put one in the dome *and* one in Blackpool. Future supercasinos should then primarily be clustered in Blackpool as isolating them misses the major pull. Manchesters bid has no public transport which makes it a crap location. the Quays would have been better. Either way, we've got no chance for the first.
 

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Speak of the devil. I have been wondering what has been happening with this project. I was actually telling some of the staff at the Matalan Manchester South store about this today.

Lets not forget that there was also a ski-slope proposed for somewhere in Central Salford as well as this and the Eastlands one.
 

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Oh yeh, fantastic news. One of the most environmentally unsound schemes to hit this city. We are constantly told to recycle, dont drive cars, cut CO2 emissions etc. etc. etc. and then this eyesore is given planning permission. More CO2 emmisions will be created keeping the building cold and the fake snow coming, never mind the hundreds of car journeys that are going to be needed to get to the site.

Its a shame people dont think about the environmental aspects of some of these mega schemes before they go lauding it as the best thing since sliced bread. Going to Scotland to ski in REAL snow and support local business by staying in local accomodation would be far more beneficial in the long run and not as polluting either.

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Its great to see developments that actually will be of some use to the general public. I'm all for posh hotels and apartments but chuff snuffing swines like myself are not the intended market and while they look nice, I can't use them (and its all about me, of course).

That slope doesn't look that steep but the whole complex sounds great.

On the subject of casinos. They should stop being scared of the devils favourite game and put one in the dome *and* one in Blackpool. Future supercasinos should then primarily be clustered in Blackpool as isolating them misses the major pull. Manchesters bid has no public transport which makes it a crap location. the Quays would have been better. Either way, we've got no chance for the first.
 

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You can see something like this off the M62 near Leeds called Xscape,bloody eyesore.
Yeah but this is Trafford Park mate. It'll fit like a glove.

And I love it. Cant wait to get me and my little guy on a pair of snowboards, then off to Yo Sushi in Selfridges, check my mail in the Apple Store, then take in a movie at the pix... finally 5 minutes on the bumper cars downstairs and home by 10.30pm.

What a mint day out...
 

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never mind the hundreds of car journeys that are going to be needed to get to the site.

Going to Scotland to ski in REAL snow and support local business by staying in local accomodation would be far more beneficial in the long run and not as polluting either.
And how do you expect us to get to these perennial Scottish ski resorts then? Solar powered hover board? Kill-joy
 

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I'd imagine the building would be very well insulated. At the end of the day it's going to cost money for the management so the more they can keep down energy bills the better. Also if people don't go here they'll go to the alps/rockies. I doubt many people would bother going to scotland since they don't have any snow these days.

Also, a lot of people go to the trafford center/asda/sports facilities around here anyway so i can't imagine there being much more traffic created. They wouldn't have been alowed planning permission if it was going to bring the local roads to a grinding halt.

Maybe they can clad it in solar panels.
 

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I hate sking as much as i hate golf!
I understand bluegate's sentiments somewhat.
This is decandent and bourgeois and is grotesquely energy hungry.
I'm no rampant socialist but things like this wind me up intensely because of their exclusivity and it's what i call divisive leisure (other examples - very expensive football, very expensive cinemas, greenbelt gobbling 'exclusive' golf courses, gyms that everyone drives to - get a bike you idiots!)
 

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There are hundreds of cold store warehouses in the country for pharmeuticals and foodstuffs. This thing is a drop in the energy ocean. However, it has social and economic benefits and also reduces the travel distances for people who would previously travelled to Tamworth or Yorkshire to get some ski practice before a ski holiday. Environmentalists are amongst the most blinkered people on earth. Along with animal rights protestors and anti-war demonstrators who felt the need to march through LONDON in vague relation to the current Lebanese conflict.
 

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Last time i checked food and pharmaceuticals were essential for sustaining life. I am not aware if some poncey twats from Altrincham need a bit of sking practise and the need to "look for a stylish alternative to their regular social scene and hirsute triviality" to sustain life. Perhaps they do.
So what if you have to go to tamworth or wherever to get some sking practise! Who gives a ****? I have to go to Bangkok if i want lady boys but i aint proposing to build a ladyboy fun centre in Beswick.
What ever happened to simple pleasures?
Why must we go to a big shed near the motorway to experience sliding on snow with a couple of expensive bits of wood? Everything is about having an 'experience' nowadays yet we are losing the ability to go out and actually experience things for ourselves. We need it neatly packaged and presented in one self contained 'experience' - and we have to be able to drive there in less than half an hour and it doesnt challenge us too much?
Thats why we are shit at things in this country because nobody wants to challenge themselves anymore.
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I do wonder how long it's last though, it seems as though these big ski centers don't always last that long. It's perplexing that they are building this now when you can get to andora for a few quid
 

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As I see it, this is for people who want a taste of skiing for a fraction of the time and money needed to do it properly, thus bring the "poncy" sport to the masses, and for people who go away skiing and want to practice, thus reducing the likelyhood of snapping a femur on the first day. Like it or not, skiing is becoming more popular. As that happens, more facilities open up to accomodate demand. Remember, we once had a great love for large outdoor heated swimming Lidos in the not too distant past. Thank **** there were no environmentalists opposing those small refuges of human pleasure.
 
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