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The new and much anticipated Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport is slated to open this week.

“After four years of intense construction, the dazzling new Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport will soon be unveiled to the world. This new airport will instantly become one of China’s three largest gateway airports, serving as a window to the world of Guangzhou’s unrelenting modernization and future visage of air transportation in the booming Pearl River Delta,” said Mr. Li Kun, Vice President, China Southern Airlines

The new Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport is situated north of Guangzhou - 23 kilometers away from the current city airport.

The current city airport - opened in 1957 - covers an area of more than 3 Million square meters, with 83 domestic and 25 international routes in daily operation, and after more than 46 years is still the largest Chinese airport for daily take-offs & landings and flight frequencies. In 2003, the airport handled more than 142,000 take-offs and landings; a throughput of 15,012,700 passengers and 544,000 tons of cargo, mail and luggage. Today, like an aging bus station, the current city airport is overtaxed and simply cannot manage the growth projected for Guangdong Province over the next decade.

In a vast area spanning more than seven kilometers long by three kilometers wide, the new Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport is divided into three large zones: offices, terminal and aircraft maintenance and cargo facilities all situated in the south, center and north sections between the two runways.

The office zone stands on the two sides of the south-entrance road. On the east side is the airport authority’s office complex and the airport customs/immigration/quarantine office building as well as the airport power supply facility, the airport authority’s field ground handling, Medical First Aid Station, Fire Station and the power converting station with a fuel warehouse located in the far end.

On the west side of the south-entrance road is the local Air Traffic Management Bureau’s office building, China Southern Airlines’ office complex, Air Catering Company and power converting station. In the far end of the southwest side of the west runway is an environmental treatment area to dispose of airport waste water and safely burn/dispose more than 10 tons of waste food collected each day from aircraft using the airport.

The terminal zone is situated in the middle of the complex between the two runways. Both the south and north entrance roads traverse through the east and west sides of this area which covers the terminal building, the Air Traffic Bureau’s office complex, the airport hotel and the parking facility.

The aircraft maintenance and cargo zone stands on the east and west sides of the north-entrance road to the north side of the two runways. The aircraft maintenance facility (GAMECO) is on the east side - offering a massive hanger of 96,000 square meters - capable of managing two wide-body aircraft and nine narrow-body planes at the same time, one field training base for college students, refrigeration station, water supply station, fire station, aircraft engine test cell apron and aircraft cleaning apron.

The new cargo area stands on the west side of the road equipped with cargo warehouses, aviation express, postal air express and business jet base. The cargo warehouse covers an area of more than 110,000 square meters.

The massive passenger terminal structure of the new airport is composed of one main terminal, two connected terminals and four main corridors. The connected terminals and passenger corridors are symmetrically situated on the two sides of the main terminal, which is centered on the central axis of the new airport with the left and right sides symmetrical to each other.

The terminal building covers an area spanning 350,000 square meters and is expected to manage more than 25 Million passengers per year through 2010. The exterior of the terminal building features a natural smooth arc anchored by a massive steel superstructure and gleaming glass walls. This magnificent glass and steel terminal “palace” - from east to west - spans 220 meters and a ceiling height of more than 55 meters. The roof of the main terminal building is made of transparent copings in a tension film structure.

The overall ambiance of the main building offers travelers an elegant style with a relaxed cultured modern flavor, illustrating the Pearl River Delta’s transportation “leap forward” into the future. In the center of the terminal are 32 palm trees which have been safely chemically treated to remain vibrant and colorful.

The airport’s flight zone covers an area of more than 720,000 square meters and is divided into two flight areas with two individual runways paralleling each other. The east flight area was designed with ICAO 4F airport standards, meeting the requirements for the maximum take-off weight of the largest Airbus A380 aircraft. The west flight area was designed with ICAO 4E airport standards. The runway in the east flight area is 3,800m x 60m - while the runway in the west flight area is 3,600m x 45m.

The two runways are equipped with paralleled taxiways. The distance between the center lines of the two runways is 2,200 meters. The south end of the west runway staggers south 400 meters from the south end of the east runway. Each runway has six exit taxiways. The apron covers an area of 860,000 square meters with available parking for 66 aircraft.

Between the east and west runways are three linking bridges (with one in the north and two in the south), specially designed for aircraft to taxi between the east and west runways. The linking bridge in the north and the one in the south are currently the widest aircraft taxi bridges in mainland China as well as the largest spanned bridge with the widest bridge surface in China. Passengers, entering the new airport from both the south and north by car, will be able to see aircraft taxiing across these bridges.

The new airport is equipped with more than 8,000 lights - at a cost of more than RMB 160 Million. The varied lights for guaranteeing aircraft take-off and landings are all under computer control with all interior lighting brightness automatically adjusted.

The airport’s new office complex is the central operational center for aircraft both in flight and taxiing on the tarmac … and is equipped with flight service facilities for air traffic control, communication navigation, cable communications, flight information and weather service.

In addition, the complex operates four sets of instrument landing systems with one positioned in each end of the two runways, radar monitoring system and air traffic control (ATC) service system networked with the Xiling Regional Air Traffic Management Center located in the northwest quadrant of the new airport.

The ATC tower at the new airport is 112 meters high and is the highest point of the complex with 14 control & monitoring positions including seven designated for the east runway, six for the west and one main position.

Parking is available for private automobiles is situated on the south and north sides of the terminal building with open parking on the south side (220,000 square meters) and the parking structure on the north side (460,000 square meters) offer a joint capacity of more than 4,800 vehicles.

A wide-ranging transportation network from Guangzhou City includes an airport express rail service which will link-up with the current four lines of the Guangzhou subway to form an extensive transportation system which will speed passengers from north subway terminus on the ground floor within the main terminal building. Passengers in Guangzhou, even those in southern end of Panyu District will be able to take the subway directly to the terminal building.

The south-entrance road is linked to the new airport highway, northward running through the two paralleled runways and then connected to National Highway 1908.

With this convenient ground transportation network, passengers can easily reach the new airport from nearly any direction.

As the major anchor carrier at the new Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport, China Southern Airlines has been actively participating in the varied preparations for the new airport, including the complex’s feasibility study and overall design.

Giving full consideration to safe flight operations at the new airport, China Southern Airlines has also reserved significant space for its future development at the Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport. China Southern Airlines’ new airport base is located in the south and north areas of the new complex, with its office complex and the air catering company in the south and cargo facility, aircraft maintenance, field services and 110KV high voltage power converting station in the north.

The two south and north areas are separated by the terminal building, forming the two major zones for China Southern Airlines’ base office complex and operations, serving as a strong support for the new airport base’s modern operations and all domestic and international carriers’ operations.

In addition to managing 25 Million passengers each year, the new airport’s current construction is designed to move more than 1 Million tons of cargo annually through 2010. North of the terminal building, an additional second passenger terminal, apron and linking bridges is planned for the new airport’s second phase as the third runway is planned for the future.
 

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Everyone is saying that this ariport is gonna to be high rival to Hong Kong's CHEK LAP KOK Airport... is it real?
 

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New Guangzhou airport to speed up China's hub construction

www.chinaview.cn 2004-08-06 20:23:48


BEIJING, Aug. 6 -- With the opening of Guangzhou's newBaiyun airport Thursday, China's plan to build three key airport hubs on the mainland was accelerated.

As China's first airport designed and constructed according to the hub idea, the new Baiyun airport will have an important influence on China's overall civil aviation development, said director Yang Yuanyuan of the General Administration of Civil Aviation of China.

The hub construction is intended to help form China's civil aviation network, with hubs, second-class airports, regional airports interacted and help enhance China's key airlines' competitive edge.

Most nations with strong aviation capability have already developed hubs. Zhang Chunlin, president of the Guangdong Airport Management Company said the construction of China's hub airports will make better use of flight resources, meaning that major airlines fly key routes and smaller airlines fly regional routes. Domestic transferring aircraft can make connections via hubs and international passengers can fly abroad through hubs, thus airlineare expected to increase their frequencies and passenger volume aswell as to reduce their operation costs.

A significant Sino-US aviation agreement was signed 10 days agoto offer more traffic rights to both US and Chinese airlines ushering China's aviation industry into a more open and competitive era.

Yang said after three hubs are finished in Guangzhou, Beijing and Shanghai, the three hub-based airlines China Southern, China Eastern and Air China will develop more quickly and increase theirinternational positions.

Zhang said the main function of the Baiyun airport will be domestic routes, while Hong Kong airport will specialize in international routes. Domestic cargo can be collected from the Baiyun airport and transferred to Hong Kong and then to other nations. International cargo can be transferred via Hong Kong and then distributed in the Baiyun airport to Chinese cities. Meanwhile Shenzhen and Zhuhai airports which are within the same province as the Guangzhou Baiyun can also join hands to make regional transportation.

Experts have said the Baiyun airport will be a model for the construction of Beijing and Shanghai airport hubs, which have neighboring Tianjin, Shijiazhuang, Hangzhou and Nanjing airports. Enditem
 

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New Guangzhou airport now operational

The new Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport began operating Thursday as scheduled.

China Southern's CZ3932 made the first take-off at 7 am, journeying to Haikou, capital of South China's Hainan Province.

And an international flight with the tail number CZ328 from Los Angeles made the first stop at the new airport.

The area's old airport ceased operations when the last flight to Zhanjiang, a city in the south of Guangdong Province, took off right on time at 22:50 pm on Wednesday. That ended 72 years of service there.

The old airport handled 520 flights with 55,000 passengers on Wednesday.

According to Qi Yaoming, an executive of the Guangdong Airport Administration Group, the new airport will have 555 flights arriving or departing on the first day of its official operation, entertaining 43,000 passengers.

"The operation of the new airport has been right on track so far," he told China Daily in a telephone interview.

He said that he is fully confident of the smooth operation of the airport, in view of the three successful operational rehearsals previously and all the efforts to solve any defect detected during the rehearsals.

 

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New Guangzhou airport may challenge HK's air hub status

US$2.4b airport opens on Thursday and is seen taking a big slice of HK's cargo traffic too

GUANGZHOU'S US$2.4 billion state-of-the-art airport will open on Thursday in China's export heartland, posing a potent new threat to nearby Hong Kong's position as Asia's second-biggest air hub.

Baiyun Airport will attempt to become the air transport hub for the Pearl River Delta, southern China, and connect with south-east Asia,' Huang Hua Hua, the governor of Guangdong province, told officials.

The opening of the new Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport was delayed by more than a month due to technical glitches.

An official yesterday said that all problems have 'basically' been solved. 'We have the most advanced technology, and it has been tested many times, so we hope to avoid any problems.'

The 350,000 sq m, granite-floored and glass-walled terminal can accommodate 25 million passengers a year and the airport, which has two runways, can handle 1.2 million tonnes of air freight, the world's third-highest cargo capacity.

Yesterday, workers could be seen making final checks of machinery at the cargo terminal. Farmers in straw hats peered through fencing as a China Southern Airlines plane made a ceremonial landing at what will be its new hub.

The old Baiyun, or 'white cloud', airport opened 17km away in 1957 and can no longer accommodate the surging numbers of passengers and freight traffic fuelled by the region's economic boom. It is notorious for flight delays and will see its final departure tomorrow.

China is the world's fastest growing aviation market and it is expected to order 1,900 new planes worth US$165 billion by 2022, according to Boeing Co.

Once the second phase of the airport is completed, which is expected around 2010, the new Baiyun will be able to handle 80 million passengers and 2.5 million tonnes of cargo a year.

In Sars-hit 2003, 15 million people passed through the old Baiyun, which handled 544,000 tonnes of cargo, 6.3 per cent less than 2002.

By contrast, Hong Kong's Chek Lap Kok airport, Asia's second busiest after Tokyo's Haneda, handled 27.3 million passengers and 2.6 million tonnes of cargo.

Located a two-hour drive from Hong Kong in the heart of the Pearl River Delta, which produces over one-third of China's exports, the new airport is expected to snare a big slice of China's cargo market.

US express carrier FedEx is considering moving its Asia hub from the Philippines to Guangzhou.

'What you're going to see is the pie getting larger and larger. But yes, a smaller percentage of goods will come out of Hong Kong,' David Cunningham, FedEx's Asia Pacific president, said last week. Hong Kong's airport is the largest handler of international cargo but 70-80 per cent of that freight comes from the Pearl River Delta.

Air France, Lufthansa and Thai Airways are among about a dozen international passenger carriers that fly to Guangzhou.

Northwest Airlines will begin flying daily to Guangzhou from Detroit via Tokyo from Oct 31 after a newly signed Sino-US air services agreement will increase by more than four-fold the number of commercial and cargo flights.

To fend off competition from Guangzhou, Hong Kong airport has launched direct ferry boat services to cities in China and is considering opening a check-in centre in the Pearl River Delta. It is also offering reductions on landing charges to airlines flying to new destinations from Hong Kong.

'We think our market extends into the Pearl River Delta and obviously Guangzhou thinks that's their market too, so we are competitors,' said David Pang, CEO of Hong Kong's airport authority. - Reuters

 

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New Guangzhou airport 'no threat to HK hub role'

Latest Updated by 2004-07-06 10:12:08

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The opening of Guangzhou's new Baiyun airport will not pose a threat to Hong Kong's Chek Lap Kok airport because of their complementary roles and rising demand for air-traffic services in the whole Pan-Pearl River Delta (PPRD) region.

The Economic Development and Labour Bureau said this after the Guangzhou government announced that the new Baiyun airport will come into service later this year.

Announcing details of the airport's capacity and infrastructure facilities at a press ¡¡conference yesterday, Guangzhou Vice-Mayor Lin Yuanhe said that although competitions are bound to intensify, the airport can serve as a complement to the other four airports in the Pearl River Delta area, including Chek Lap Kok airport.

The new airport was built to cater to the economic and social development of Guangzhou. It did not aim to replace Chek Lap Kok as each has its own competitive edge, he stressed.

'We should focus on how the resources can be integrated and make the cake bigger,' Lin said.

The 19.8 billion yuan (US$2.4 billion)-worth new airport is designed to ultimately have five runways handling up to 80 million passengers each year, which is close to Chek Lap Kok's current capacity.

A spokesperson for the Economic Development and Labour Bureau yesterday conceded that 'airport development in neighbouring regions, including new Baiyun airport, will bring a certain kind of competition unavoidably'.

But under the Closer Economic Partnership Arrangement (CEPA) and PPRD closer regional co-operation scheme, the demand for air-traffic services will be hugely increased, he said.

'It will bring a new room for airports in the region to attain further growth in terms of passengers and cargo-handling services,' the bureau said in a press release.

It said the government will continue to expand Hong Kong's air connectivity and enable airlines to provide more air routes and links to the rest of the world.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong Airport Authority said they will seek any form of co-ordination and co-operation with new Baiyun airport to stimulate business growth.

A spokesperson for the authority said, 'The PPRD region is a potential and giant market and many manufacturing industries are rapidly developing there. We believe passengers and cargo-handling services will continue to expand in the region.' The authority will strengthen co-operation with other airports to enhance the overall competitiveness as a whole, she said.

Logistics experts and academics called on Hong Kong and Guangzhou authorities to co-ordinate in airport contingency planning and risk management.

For instance, in case of any emergency cases at Hong Kong's airport, Guangzhou can back up Hong Kong and air traffic could be diverted to the mainland, suggested James Wang, a council member of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport.

He said that the new Baiyun airport and Chek Lap Kok serve different roles and functions.

Hong Kong's airport is a regional airfreight hub in Asia, while Baiyun airport aims to serve as Southern China's air hub, said Wang, who is also the associate professor of the University of Hong Kong's Department of Geography.

Cargo business is still constrained by lack of international connectivity of Guangzhou's airport.

'The two airports can complement each other as Hong Kong can share its expertise and experience in air-traffic management with Guangzhou.

Wang said the Airport Authority could study purchasing the stake of new Baiyun airport if the mainland authorities privatize the airport in future.

Helen Fu, vice-president of Hong Kong Logistics Association, said the SAR should continue to improve its air connectivity and services to maintain its dominant position as a regional airfreight hub in Asia.

At present, more than 70 airlines operate in Hong Kong, which has air links with 130 overseas destinations.
 

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CUSTOMER OPINIONS Guangzhou Airport

Guangzhou Airport by Kurt Müller

9 July 2004

A few words of warning to arriving passengers about a taxi scam at Baiyun Airport. Upon arrival today, I proceeded to take a taxi from outside the international terminal. I was immediately set upon by two or three taxi drivers, the first one offering to take me to Zhongshan for RMB 800 (with the going rate being RMB 300). In the face of competition, he finally accepted RMB 300 plus return toll charges – instead of the meter reading. A few minutes into the ride, he professed to have no money for the tolls ahead, so I settled the entire expected fare of RMB 400 with him. To my surprise, he handed me back RMB 300, saying he would take this once we had arrived at our destination. I did, however, immediately notice that the returned notes were not only brand new (when I had presented him with used notes) but – as it were – fresh from the printing press, albeit not that operated by the Bank of China. In fact, two of the notes he returned to me carried the same serial number, and all three were clearly colour copies (only an image of the metal thread as opposed to the real thing). I returned them to the taxi driver with an appropriate comment, upon which he turned unpleasant, drove to a taxi interchange on the outskirts of Canton and tried to get me to change to another taxi (without any refund of the RMB 400 he had pocketed). Upon my insistence, he carried on but after leaving the motorway outside of Zhongshan, tried to renegotiate the fare, pointing at the meter he had not turned off and which was by now showing RMB 470 (of which RMB 45 had already been displayed when I boarded at Baiyun Airport. Only when I threatened to call the police did I finally get to my destination.



Guangzhou Airport by Iain Roberts

28 June 2004

Guangzhou airport, what can I say? I work in and around some of the Uk airports and I wish we could have the freedom to sell livestock in our departures areas, it would add a new dimension to retailing in the UK. 'Fresh fruit for you flight sir?' is not something I ever hear in the UK! We could however learn a lot from the Chinese on customer service and general friendliness. However I would warn anyone against getting into a taxi at the airport without know approximately how much your ride will cost. When I got in, I did know and the taxi driver didn't get away with doubling my fare, they depend upon people not knowing to bump up the prices. The new airport will be an asset to Guangzhou and the whole of China when it is built, as it will make this superb country more accessible to the rest of the world. Oh, the toilets are 3rd world though, make sure you go before you get off your plane or leave your destination!



Guangzhou Airport by Kevin Johns

13 May 2004

It's kind of obvious that CAN airport is a dump. I can say one thing though - I have never received my bags getting off a plane faster than CAN. I was in business class in seat 1A so I was first off the plane - I waited for less than two minutes for my bags. The new airport is slated to open by the end of the year. US airlines are already jockeying for gates - United is in the lead.



Guangzhou Airport by HaThanh Leviet

25 January 2004

I also heard about the new airport for Guangzhou city. Don't know when it will be used yet but a new airport is a MUST for this city. We have been living China on a business contract for 3 years already and we have to travel through GZ airport every month and I think this is the worst airport I have ever seen. The international departure hall is a mess, very tiny and always crowded. The domestic even worst. Very little choice of food and price is crazy. I suffered the trafic jam on the way to the plane for boarding twice so we had to wait in the bus for about 20 minutes. outside the building, the taxi were a mess. Taxi was very dirty, the driver didn't want to use the meters but try to bargain for the price which was very difficult for foreigners who did not speak their language. I think the airport should organize a better taxi service.



Guangzhou Airport by Philippe Armstrong

8 August 2003

I have used Baiyun International Airport three times now and I must say that it is great that a new airport is being built. The airport is quite simply terrible. The parking is a nightmare, the service awful, the toilets look like third world toilets and are very dirty. There is such a limited number of restaurants and the prices are ridiculous. Thank goodness that in 2004 we will be in a good airport.



Guangzhou Airport by R Ellis

4 August 2003

Guangzhou Airport is downright ugly. However, terminal services are surprisingly quick and efficient. By the time to you reach immigration - all your luggage will have reached the baggage carousel! They arrange planes on the tarmac like cars in a car park! I am continuously amazed at the logistical efficiency of this airport!
 

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Everyone is saying that this ariport is gonna to be high rival to Hong Kong's CHEK LAP KOK Airport... is it real?
It's a win-win situation. The opening of New Baiyun Airport is an entire upgrade in infrastructure in the Pearl Delta Region and keeps the PDR competitive.

這是一個雙贏局面.新白雲機場的開幕是整個珠江三角洲基建的提升,令珠三角保持競爭能力.
 

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Chinese Aviation Thread 中国航空

  1月28日,空中客车的A380飞机将拿到中国的首个大单。据彭博社报道,买下5架A380的是中国南方航空集团公司(下称“南航”)。

  南航将与空客签约的消息是从法国交通部长Gilles de Robien办公室的日程安排表上得到的,Gilles de Robien将参加28日在法国巴黎举行的签约仪式。

  记者随即向南航进行了求证,但相关负责人称,因没有得到领导确认不便发表意见。

  上海证券的航空分析师告诉《第一财经日报》记者,预计南航将会把这5架世界上最大的飞机应用于国内航线的运营,因为对国内航空公司来说,国内航线客座率普遍高于国际航线;而南航去年1月到11月的客座率更是达到了69.7%,高于上海的两个基地航空公司东航和上航3个百分点。

  据了解,在空中客车A380已经获得的149个订单中,有三分之一来自亚洲的航空公司,但还没有一份订单来自航空市场增长最快的中国。对于在中国内地的销售前景,空客非常看好。在A380下线的当天,空客总裁Noel Forgeard就首次公开承认,正在就销售A380与中国的多家航空公司进行谈判,并称谈判有望在3月底结束。

  空客A380飞机是世界上最大的双层宽体客机,可搭乘约550名乘客,适合洲际远程航线飞行,其主要竞争机型为美国波音公司最大载客量为416人的波音747飞机。随着A380的下线,空客和波音在飞机制造方面的战略分化也更加明显。波音公司认为,未来航空市场将更加偏重增加航班频率的点对点直飞,而空中客车公司则在制造依赖航空枢纽的大飞机。在国外,以枢纽机场为中心的航班波网络已经发展得非常成熟,直飞市场数量也翻了一番,这与波音公司的预测是一致的;而在中国,枢纽机场的建设才刚刚起步。上海机场(集团)有限公司董事长吴念祖曾说,目前上海机场正在与基地航空公司一起为国内航线安排从点对点运行转为以枢纽机场为中心的网络运行作准备,预计上海航空枢纽地位将于2015年最终确立,这无疑有利于适合航空枢纽市场的空客A380飞机。

  上海证券的航空分析师分析,中国的航空市场与完全市场化的国外航空市场有所不同,新航线的批准和航班的增加都需要经过严格的批准,因此在各个航空公司航线资源有限、争夺激烈的背景下,使用大飞机无疑可以减少航空公司增加航班的频率,尤其是在北京到上海,以及上海到香港等热门航线上,运用A380这种大飞机对中国航空公司的利润率提升是有利的。
 

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中国航空公司普遍国内航线赚钱。。国际赔钱。。可能是国际上竞争不过外航吧。。国内是垄断。。不赚钱也没办法。。。

到飞机交付的时候。。中国应该有其他机场能停380,我觉得380会投入北京-广州航线。。或者是北京-上海航线。。南航有意与国航东航和海航竞争北京上海航线。。首都机场一号航站楼已经有南航经营。。国航大为紧张。。敌人已经到家门口了。。。
 

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American Airlines & Continental Approved to Fly to China

Wednesday February 23, 6:55 AM
American, Continental Win China Route

AP - American Airlines and Continental Airlines on Tuesday won tentative government approval to begin nonstop passenger service from the United States to China, defeating Delta Air Lines Inc. for the right to serve a growing travel market.

American, a unit of AMR Corp., said it would begin flying from Chicago to Shanghai in April 2006, while Continental Airlines Inc. said it would fly between Newark, N.J., and Beijing but did not announce a date.

UAL Corp.'s United Airlines and Northwest Airlines Corp. already fly between the two countries.

The announcements by American and Continental came after the Department of Transportation proposed granting them authority for the flights. The agency also awarded new cargo service to four carriers: FedEx Corp., Northwest Airlines Corp., Polar Air Cargo and UPS Inc.

The agency said it would issue a final decision on the awards after reviewing comments on its proposals. The comments are due March 4.

China and the United States signed an aviation agreement last July to expand service between the two countries and drop most restrictions on each other's airlines. The pact increases the numbers of passenger and cargo flights allowed by Chinese and U.S. carriers in stages over the next six years, rising from the current 54 per week to 249. The deal is intended to ease shortages of seats that have prompted complaints from tourists and business travelers.

Other carriers that applied to become new entrants in the U.S.-China passenger market in either 2005 or 2006 were Delta, Hawaiian Airlines and North American Airlines. Evergreen International Airlines, Gemini Air Cargo and World Airways applied for the all-cargo flights.

American's chairman and chief executive, Gerard J. Arpey, expressed gratitude after the Fort Worth-based carrier was picked over the other carriers.

"For more than five years, we have wanted to fly to China and have believed that American's service will provide the strongest possible competition in this growing marketplace," Arpey said in a statement. "This award for new service starting in 2006 will be a big breakthrough for us in the Asian market."

American had lined up significant support in Congress, especially among lawmakers from Texas and Illinois. The flights will link China to Chicago's O'Hare Airport.

Larry Kellner, Continental's chairman and CEO, said nonstop flights to Beijing from the New York area would be a boon to business travelers. Continental launched daily service between Newark and Hong Kong in March 2001.

Delta did not immediately return a call for comment. Hawaiian spokesman Keoni Wagner said "we're disappointed, but China remains an aspiration of ours."

Dan McKinnon, president of privately-held North American, said his airline was the only low-cost carrier in the bidding but that regulators seemed more concerned with American's ability to offer competition against United on the Chicago-China route.
 

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I'm sad Continental didn't launch it from Houston, its Hub... oh well, I'm very happy for NYC, they desrve it!
 

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Delta "bitterly disappointed" over losing China flights bid
23 February 2005

ATLANTA (AP) - Delta Air Lines has lost a bid to begin making nonstop flights to China.

Instead, the government awarded passenger flight rights to Continental and American airlines.

The U.S. Department of Transportation announced the tentative awards Tuesday, which also gave UPS, FedEx, Northwest Airlines and Polar Air approval for more cargo flights. The Transportation Department gave the flight rights under terms of an updated U.S.-China air treaty.

The agency said it would issue a final decision on the awards after reviewing comments on its proposals. The comments are due March 4.

But for now, Atlanta-based Delta is left as the only one of the five largest airlines without nonstop flights to the world's most populous nation.

"We're bitterly disappointed," Delta spokesman John Kennedy said.

Beijing flights would have given the struggling airline another major Asian destination and a foothold in a travel market with huge potential.

Kennedy noted Chicago will eventually have three daily flights to China as a result of the government's decision, while Atlanta will have none.

"We are at a loss to understand why the DOT has chosen to increase service at an already established gateway while totally ignoring their own precedent of opening new gateways to underserved areas of the country," he said.

Delta said it plans to challenge the decision.

Currently, Northwest and United are the only U.S. carriers with nonstop flights to China. American plans to operate its new flights from Chicago, while Continental will fly from Newark, N.J.

The Transportation Department said it chose Continental because the Houston-based carrier proposed to begin offering daily nonstop flights to China from the East Coast a year earlier than Delta would have. New York is the largest U.S. market for flights to China, the agency said.

American Airlines, which is based in Fort Worth, Texas, beat out Delta with its application to fly from Chicago to Shanghai starting next year because it increases competition with United and Northwest airlines and serves a larger market than Delta's proposal.

Delta remains a smaller player in Asia, with flights to Tokyo and Mumbai, India. It also sells seats aboard China Southern flights between Los Angeles and Guangzhou, China.

China and the United States signed an aviation agreement last July to expand service between the two countries and drop most restrictions on each other's airlines.

The pact increases the numbers of passenger and cargo flights allowed by Chinese and U.S. carriers in stages over the next six years, rising from the current 54 per week to 249. The deal is intended to ease shortages of seats that have prompted complaints from tourists and business travelers.
 

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Shanghai to HK return flight

Which airlines offer flights from Shanghai to HK?? How much is it?? Is it cheaper to take domestic routes such as Shanghai-Shenzhen???

Thanks.
 

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Sen said:
China Eastern, Dragon Air, i dont know if Air China operates it. (and probably even Shanghai Airlines)

I recommend Dragon Air.

around RMB 500 i think?

dont take Shenzhen-Shanghai, it's not significantly cheaper i believe. because there are less flights.

btw you asked about Shanghai-Hangzhou trains

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=203041
Thanks, but that cheap?? (RMB 500) I thought it's HK2000-4000......:?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=213006&page=1&pp=20
 
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