City Circle + Harbour Line (M3+M4) | Metro

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moveteam

Discussion Starter · Oct 31, 2009 (Edited)

City Circle Line
M3 + M4

Diagram of the new lines

Two parallel tunnels of approx. 15.5 km (33 km).
The Circle Line(s) wil serve 18 underground stations and one elevated station.
Daily ridership of 260.200.
Construction costs are estimated at DKK 21.3 billion (just under €3 billion).
Interchange with the M1 and M2 lines at Kongens Nytorv and Frederiksberg.
Branch to Nordhavn on M4 (2 km. tunnel and 300 m. elevated).
Proposed: Branch to Sydhavn and Ny Ellebjerg Station on M4 with 3-6 stations (will cost €1-1.3 billion).
Inauguration in December 2018 (Nordhavn branch a year later).

Milestones

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Hafnia

· #881 · Jan 30, 2015

Wait, what?

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På en almindelig hverdag vil i alt 90.000 passagerer benytte metrostationen på København H.
They mention this several times, that number is quite significantly larger than the previous forecast...

But makes sense if this is true:

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Det samlede daglige passagertal på Hovedbanegården forventes at stige til 285.000 passagerer, når Cityringen åbner.

Do we know size of the Hovedbanegård M-station and the connection areas ?
Hopefully it reflect the amount of passengers, so we don't get the rush hour turbulence that we experience at the far too small Nørreport station.

bongo-anders

· #882 · Jan 30, 2015

We have the transfer tunnel under the existing platform but that one is very narrow.

Then a tunnel that goes from the main hall, approximately around where the luggage and bike shop is today.

And finally there is the normal street entrance as we see on the other stations.

If that is enough time will tell, I think the biggest problem will be how wide the platform is.

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moveteam

Discussion Starter · #883 · Jan 30, 2015 (Edited)

That is going to be interesting, even if the current capacity problems are only regarding the hourly number of regional / intercity trains and the new high speed line in 2018...

I mean, today's Central Station is no quiet place - if the passenger output is going to be more than doubled, how the hell are people supposed to move around? Imagine a simple 3-minute delay during rush hour, the platforms will be filled. As Hafnia pointed out, Nørreport is never a pleasant place, even less so with delays.

Sure that fourth car on every Metro train and minute-like intervals between trains would help - but seems like a short term solution. Copenhagen is not exactly getting smaller. If the current population growth continues, 30 years from now people will be wondering why the platforms weren't made longer.

I can't wait for the new lines, really think they will be transforming our city with a lot of real junctions points. But it feels like politicans are always holding back. Money's always an issue of course.

But they should just start planning either the tunnel between Østerport and Ny Ellebjerg or the deep underground terminus under the Central Station. Even if the transformation of Ny Ellebjerg is going to relieve the pressure on Central, it's only a matter of time before it's congested again.

I'm still wondering whether that 90.000 number for the metro station alone is true...

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moveteam

Discussion Starter · #884 · Jan 30, 2015

Oh and Cenario's latest renderings of the Nordhavn station. Rullende fortorv!

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Knudsen

· #885 · Jan 30, 2015

@ Moveteam

I'm still wondering whether that 90.000 number for the metro station alone is true...

According to m.dk they estimate 45.000 entries on a week day. But as they write below the total number of passengers will be roughly double that

Bemærk, at passagertallet per station kun omfatter påstigere. Det samlede daglige passagerflow på hver station er altså omkring det dobbelte af antal påstigere.

http://m.dk/#!/om+metroen/metrobyggeriet/om+cityringen/passagertal

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StonoDk

· #886 · Jan 30, 2015

According to this presentation, there are plans to expand the existing connecting tunnel at KH; and build a new one.
But apparently not from the beginning, so this may be a future "Nørreport-situation" where they realise one access is not enough.

bascon.dk/fileadmin/Udbud/35240/Praesentation_fra_informationsmoede_-_23-06-2014.pdf

(sorry for the "missing link", but it seems i am not allowed to post links ?)

vester

· #887 · Jan 31, 2015 (Edited)

Praesentation_fra_informationsmoede_-_23-06-2014.pdf

You will get that right after some posts.

StonoDk said:
According to this presentation, there are plans to expand the existing connecting tunnel at KH; and build a new one.
But apparently not from the beginning, so this may be a future "Nørreport-situation" where they realise one access is not enough.

There are plans to extend the tunnel so it will connect with the metro station. Think they wait till the metro station is a bit further along.

LetMeLoose

· #888 · Jan 31, 2015

vester said:
Praesentation_fra_informationsmoede_-_23-06-2014.pdf

You will get that right after some posts.

There are plans to extend the tunnel so it will connect with the metro station. Think they wait till the metro station is a bit further along.

Yes and not just plans. I'm pretty certain that it has been approved. Does anyone remember whether the stations at Frederiksberg + Kgs. Nytorv will be connected? I read somewhere earlier that the entrances to the new stations are called "wide" and "with excellent access to the stations" or something like that.. yet they still keep one main entrance. Can't think of other cities who does that.

kapo311

· #889 · Jan 31, 2015

LetMeLoose said:
Yes and not just plans. I'm pretty certain that it has been approved. Does anyone remember whether the stations at Frederiksberg + Kgs. Nytorv will be connected? I read somewhere earlier that the entrances to the new stations are called "wide" and "with excellent access to the stations" or something like that.. yet they still keep one main entrance. Can't think of other cities who does that.

Yes that has been the plan from start, the question is only if/when will they expand the tunnel (they really should do it already, not wait until they will have to do construction works in already congested tunnel).

For the other question, they will be connected on the concourse level, Frederiksberg already has en existing one, while Kgns Nytorv will get a new one together with new main entrance.

The only thing remaining a big question mark for me is how the Østerport station will be connected, so far i understand that there will be no direct tunnel from metro to train platforms?

milipumba

· #890 · Jan 31, 2015 (Edited)

As I see it, in the link, they have two possible solutions for Copenhagen.

Either they expand the existing tunnel only under the two S-train platforms.
Or they build a new tunnel, only to the s-train platforms, south of the existing tunnel.

At Østerport they will upgrade the pedestrian bridge, and create better access to Østbanegade.
In the link they refers to a tunnel. But whether it should go up to the bridge, or whether it should be brought into the station building, I do not know.

kapo311

· #891 · Feb 1, 2015

The open house at CMC today

A rare occasion to be under a metro train

Notice the light indicating the current station

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Hafnia

· #892 · Feb 1, 2015

Øvv, I missed that one.

That's a cool graphic.

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kapo311

· #893 · Feb 1, 2015

Agreed, that is also one thing that is missing inside the train. It's fine to have the M3M4 map above the doors, but there should also be a smaller map of the whole system (preferrably including S-tog also). Hopefully they will add that later.

Silkebaronen

· #894 · Feb 1, 2015

Very cool graphic

Peter999

· #895 · Feb 1, 2015

kapo311 said:
Agreed, that is also one thing that is missing inside the train. It's fine to have the M3M4 map above the doors, but there should also be a smaller map of the whole system (preferrably including S-tog also). Hopefully they will add that later.

Enig. At S-tog ikke er vist på linjekortet, er også endnu et eksempel på hvor tåbeligt det er at DSB, Metro og Movia er adskilt i København. Men for topledelserne er det vigtigt at bevare adskillelsen - ellers bliver nogle af dem jo arbejdsløse. For at undgå for meget kritik har de dog skabt marketing-samarbejdet “DOT” (Din Offentlige Transport), så de kan fremstå samlet, men uden reelt at være det.

http://www.ft.dk/samling/20121/almdel/tru/bilag/357/1280627.pdf

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kapo311

· #896 · Feb 1, 2015

Why do we still have Universitetet written under DR Byen station? If anywhere, it should under Islands Brygge :nuts:

Finsternuss

· #897 · Feb 1, 2015

Peter999 said:
Enig. At S-tog ikke er vist på linjekortet, er også endnu et eksempel på hvor tåbeligt det er at DSB, Metro og Movia er adskilt i København. Men for topledelserne er det vigtigt at bevare adskillelsen - ellers bliver nogle af dem jo arbejdsløse. For at undgå for meget kritik har de dog skabt marketing-samarbejdet “DOT” (Din Offentlige Transport), så de kan fremstå samlet, men uden reelt at være det.

http://www.ft.dk/samling/20121/almdel/tru/bilag/357/1280627.pdf

DOT samarbejdet burde endegyldigt betyde at det integrerede oversigtskort bliver vedtaget. Ellers vil DOT fremstå dybt useriøst og omsonst. kan ikke forstå hvorfor der ikke er mere politisk vilje for dette, i forhold til potentialet ved at få turisterne over i s toget og regionalbanen, hvilket vil gavne turismen i hele regionen. Som det er lige nu tror mange turister at københavns offentlige trafik består af 2 metrolinier og nogle buslinier(i hvert fald dem jeg har snakket med).

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moveteam

Discussion Starter · #898 · Feb 1, 2015

^^ Looking at the DOT website, I'm not positive. The site is butt ugly (seriously, both DSB and Metro have more aesthetically pleasing sites) and the entire thing just looks really rushed. They have been working on the umbrella corporation for more than a year.

Hope I will be proved wrong, but it doesn't look like either DSB, Metro or Movia gives a damn.

To be fair, DSB is including the metro lines on their larger maps.

Never give up

· #899 · Feb 2, 2015

Now that the excitement of the breakthrough is dying down, I wonder when the Metroselskabet will announce the plans to construct Ørestad Arena station.
The Arena opens next year.

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korbendallas

· #900 · Feb 2, 2015

Never give up said:
Now that the excitement of the breakthrough is dying down, I wonder when the Metroselskabet will announce the plans to construct Ørestad Arena station.
The Arena opens next year.

I was at a meeting with Amager Vest Lokaludvalg, and a guy from Københavns Kommune was there.

He said that although the site was prepared for an extra station, there were no plans at all. They will probably reconsider once there is considerable amount of passengers. Considering that there isn't that far to either Vestamager or Ørestad station, I fear this will take a long time.

Of course, this could all change if politicians suddenly think it's a good idea.

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