Completed | BARANGAROO | Crown Hotel Sydney | 75st/271m | Hotel, Residential & Casino

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CULWULLA

Discussion Starter · Nov 21, 2011 (Edited)

hope i didnt you guys excited. :lol:
just thought we need a thread on the inevitable hotel that will be erected at Barangaoo within next couple of years.
what we do know is that its location will be reviewed first quarter 2012.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6053/6347935427_b85d28cb61_b.jpg
atm the 85m pier idea doesnt look like it will happen.
some stuff mooted over past 2 years.

original height was to be 230m!!
nicknamed BIG RED

then reduced to 213m

the big red idea was given the flick and hotel reduced to 170m
june16,2010
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/sydneys-barangaroo-hotel-downsized-20100616-yg58.html

june2010
new height 170m/188m spires
40storeys
rooftop obersbvation deck

site plan/ where can it go??

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Joelby

· #781 · Oct 20, 2012

And if they have high roller gaming lounges, surely they are double height ceilings like Crown in Melbourne?

Mornnb

· #782 · Oct 21, 2012

Joelby said:
And if they have high roller gaming lounges, surely they are double height ceilings like Crown in Melbourne?

Which applies to the gaming floors in the podium, but not to the hotel rooms which will be in the tower.

Fabian

· #783 · Oct 21, 2012

It hasn't been specified exactly where the gaming floors will be and its more than likely it will be somewhere in the upper floors of the tower so gamblers can also be impressed by the views.

Sky_Is_The_Limit

· #784 · Oct 21, 2012

I think the podium will be mostly confined to bars, cafes, restaurants and shops as well as the hotel lobby. Higher end bars, restaurants and VIP gaming facilities will be located further up.

I think you'd expect higher floor to ceiling heights than the norm for levels with hotel floors as well as the other uses.

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Mornnb

· #785 · Oct 21, 2012

Fabian said:
It hasn't been specified exactly where the gaming floors will be and its more than likely it will be somewhere in the upper floors of the tower so gamblers can also be impressed by the views.

Generally gaming floors need large floor areas, so you can fit all the tables in one room and have the necessary crowd and noise for a proper big casino atmosphere. Though, VIP rooms may have different requirements, quieter with more exclusivity. But one expects the main gaming room to be in the podium.

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Fabian

· #786 · Oct 21, 2012

VIP rooms will generally be away from the main gaming areas. All we know is that 2-3 floors are needed.

Sky_Is_The_Limit

· #787 · Oct 22, 2012

Crown Towers Melbourne is probably a good guide for floor to ceiling heights.

Emporis (assuming its correct) lists Crown Towers as 141.46m tall to the roof. It's 43 floors.

Therefore, 141.46/43 = 3.28977m per floor.

So...

At 45 stories (the lowest figure in the SMH article);
3.28977m/floor x 45 floors = 148m to roof.

At 60 stories (the highest figure in the SMH article);
3.28977m/floor x 60 floors = 197.4m to roof.

At 70 stories (the highest figure in the Telegraph article);
3.28977m/floor x 70 floors = 230.3m to roof.

Note that these numbers do not include architectural features/spires (Crown Towers Melbourne has an 11m architectural feature taking the official height to 152.46m).

Will Crown attempt to steal the crown for Sydney's tallest building? (please attempt a wry smile at what I did there).

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CULWULLA

Discussion Starter · #788 · Oct 22, 2012

well done sky. you may have cracked the code

CULWULLA

Discussion Starter · #789 · Oct 23, 2012

guys, this is moving fast.
DA to be lodged this month

Westonian

· #790 · Oct 23, 2012

as in within 8 days?
wow

do you think this was the "mystery model" you saw?

CULWULLA

Discussion Starter · #791 · Oct 23, 2012

^^

motion

· #792 · Oct 23, 2012

Ok here is my guess.

I DONT think it will be 70 stories - just sounds too high to get away with without potential outrage. I think it will be around 50 Stories.

50X~3.2 = 160m + 4 floors podium = 160+ 12.8 = 172.8m. If there is a similar arch feature as the earlier proposal it will be anywhere between 20-40m
therefore 173+20 = 193 or 173+30 = 203 and highest possible outcome 173+40 = 213

Should it be any other number of stories then same shit. Multiply by 3.2, add 13m and then add another 20-40m

Hope i am terribly wrong and its one tall F*%$n building lol but i do think only the worst possible very slim outcome will see it fall short of 200m

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CULWULLA

Discussion Starter · #793 · Oct 23, 2012

200m+

Brizer

· #794 · Oct 23, 2012

Endless bloody stress!
It's the not knowing that gets me.

motion

· #795 · Oct 23, 2012

CULWULLA said:
200m+

sure dude i am not talking about the actual proposal im talking final outcome, after people have expressed outrage and consultations and bla bla bla - i think it will end up being 190-213 (50 stories)

Proposal could be anything perhaps 250m but highly unlikely it will be the final DA

CULWULLA

Discussion Starter · #796 · Oct 23, 2012

Nimbys no say.the hotel already off the water.its packer were talking about.no more delays.

Mornnb

· #797 · Oct 23, 2012

Brizer said:
Endless bloody stress!
It's the not knowing that gets me.

A sentence spoken by many a hypochondriac!

mw123

· #798 · Oct 23, 2012

CULWULLA said:
guys, this is moving fast.
DA to be lodged this month

What a pleasant surprise and certainly the best news I've heard all day. Can't wait to see the details

CULWULLA

Discussion Starter · #799 · Oct 23, 2012

lets hope its something like this
i want a spire tacked on to front

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Fabian

· #800 · Oct 23, 2012

It looks like Packer will get his casino licence as well according to reports in The Daily Telegraph (24/10/2012): http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...no-at-barangaroo/story-fndo28a5-1226501868815

Labor have also indicated their support.

That means approval could happen on Monday for the hotel/casino.

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