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Queensland is opening up its borders to fully vaccinated visitors from 17th December (or earlier if they hit 80% earlier). This is great news and shows that the whole country is going to open up to international visitors soon (except maybe WA).
 

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It seems that if international tourists go through NSW, you won't need to do home quarantine in Queensland? If that's the case, I assume that either:
  • You could go on holiday and spend your tourism dollars in NSW before going to QLD?
  • Or, you could just fly directly to QLD from NSW?
If either of the above is true, it does look like QLD would end up scrapping any quarantine at 80%?

(Note that I'm assuming the Feds will open the border to tourists and students before Christmas - because they've been told to by the NSW premier)
 

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Incorrect. It will be that you need to quarantine if you arrived into Australia within the previous 14 days. That's why people would just extend their holiday by 14 days in NSW first.
That's what I said. The first bullet point above means they'd go to NSW as an alternative to quarantine.

The home quarantine trial in QLD is 7 days at the moment - is it confirmed that it would be 14 days for international visitors? Edit: the trial is 14 days for Queensland. It was previously announced federally as 7 days for residents returning by Morrison - I'm assuming that's no longer relevant though.
 

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The noises coming from the Feds are that it'll open up by Christmas. If there's one thing we've learned in this pandemic it's that the states are more powerful than the Feds.

The feds can open the international border and the states can still block international arrivals. So there's no risk for individual states (e.g. WA) if Morrison opens up as per Perrottet's wishes. Both Morrison and Perrottet clearly want to open up soon.

And today's announcement by the QLD government is clearly in response to Perrottet's announcement on Friday. He forced their hand.

My prediction is that the Feds will announce a normalisation of national borders soon, but some states will stage (defer) direct international reopening. NSW (and probably VIC) will open straight away, which means the 14 day NSW backdoor option will be valid from mid-December.
 

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In the areas where states have responsibility, yes. The Federal government controls the international borders through visas - it's their remit to say no to non-citizens/residents and their close family (which is what ScoMo said is the first priority).

New South Wales and every other state can't do a damn thing about that.
You're right that the feds technically have the ultimate say on the national border. But you seem to be missing the fact that Morrison clearly wants to open up. Why would he not want to open up? He needs the states to agree to opening up and the largest one is ready to go right now.

If there's 30,000 Aussies stuck overseas, 100 full planes will be enough to return them all.

To put that in context there are 300,000+ aircraft movements in Sydney airport in a typical year. So getting residents and citizens back won't take long.
 

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Why does announcing it today have anything to do with the actions of Dom?
Because Palaszuk's trump card up to this point has been that life is better in Queensland and the economy is doing better here than in NSW.

Dom changed that on Friday by stating his intentions to open NSW to the world ASAP. He knew what he was doing. The path has been clear for NSW since Friday: they are opening up, they want tourists and students. They want to take the tourists that QLD can't have. They know people from NSW would go overseas rather than spend money in QLD if the borders were closed.

The QLD have been pressured to respond to the above situation because they know that Queenslanders won't accept the above situation.

The QLD government could have announced this a week ago or in a week's time. It's no coincidence that this has been announced the next working day after Dom's announcement.
 

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Bit silly second guessing Morrison, particularly when one's story is pure fiction
Who's second guessing them? The feds are literally saying they want to open up the country to the world, and they now have the biggest state in the country telling them to hurry up.

They want to 'get stranded Australians home first'. Ok, so that's 100 planes, which is less than a single day of pre-pandemic air traffic into SYD.
 

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For all the carrying on about how life is great in Queensland, there doesn't appear to be a huge difference in restrictions between South East Queensland and Sydney right now.
Yeah, I meant before Sydney started to open up. Queensland has obviously been much less restricted than NSW for the past few months.

Dom adding travel and tourists to the list of benefits of living in NSW was too much for Palaszczuk.
 

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As someone that lives in Queensland, it's hard for me to understand how life in WA has been "much better" than here. Apart from border restrictions and indoor mask rules, everything feels very normal here in Queensland and has done for a long time. I might understand "slightly better" because WA has had fewer lockdowns, but we've both had intermittent lockdowns.
 

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A transition plan was always expected regardless of the actions of NSW.

And? Again, if it truely made a difference, the dates would be far earlier. QLD is still being very very conservative.

Funny, it was announced to give people 2 months to plan for Christmas, almost on the dot. That's expected, no?
Either way, it's a bad look for the QLD government. It looks like they've been played by the new NSW premier. The smarter thing to do would have been more proactive and release their plans a few weeks ago - rather than appearing to be reactive. Their constant petty sniping at NSW in the last couple of press conferences also shows that this is a reaction.
 

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So it would have made a difference if it was 2 months and 2 weeks instead of just 2 months?

Absolutely not. They are still way off the targets and it started to get to the crunch time where either vaccination rates needed to increase, or there was no Christmas. 2 weeks ago, that wasn't as much the obvious case. Also, the longer you wait, the more accurate your modelling will be.
So the day after Perrottet's announcement just happened to be the absolutely perfect time for QLD to announce their plan 😆
 

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Again, how is this a bad look for the QLD Government? It absolutely doesn't look like they've been played at all.
Because it was predictable when Dom spoke on Friday that QLD would be forced to react and they did. The very next day.

Then when they did react, they came up with an incoherent plan that talks about "uniting families" yet completely fails to address families separated by international borders.

As per Dom's quote they should have "discriminated by vaccination status rather than country of origin" if they really actually care about uniting families.
 

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The Queensland statement yesterday contained details about international travel
Not for quarantine-free foreign international arrivals. It vaguely indicates that it'll be allowed at 90%, with no clarity or commitment.

And is full of logical inconsistencies like allowing vaccinated Australians to arrive from overseas without quarantine at 80% but not allowing foreigners. What's the point of that rule?
 

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It doesn't allow Australian's back quarantine free at 80%. All arrivals regardless will need to undertake quarantine. The only difference is where:

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It's all on page 2 of the vaccine plan: https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0018/216522/dpc7950-border-plan.pdf
My main point is that it differentiates between Australians/residents returning at 80% and foreigners. At 80% residents will be able to home quarantine (potentially for 7 days given the trial that Palascscuk keeps referring to), but non-residents will have to do 14 days hotel quarantine.

As Dom said on Friday: “There is absolutely no reason, if you are fully vaccinated, whether you are a returning Australian or tourist, that you should have to hotel quarantine”.

The QLD rule makes no sense and incentivises foreigners to take a 14 day holiday in NSW before heading into QLD. Why would you spend $3000 stuck in a hotel in Brisbane when you could spend that $3000 touring around NSW?
 

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how many foreigners have a home in Queensland to quarantine in?
There are lots of families and couples separated by the border. They would be able to home quarantine with their partner / family.

Do you know how the current home quarantine trial works? You can either have someone leave a car at the airport, or the person picking you up needs to quarantine with you. That's for the current home quarantine trial in Queensland.

I expect that by December, they will be running the 7 day home quarantine that they're trialling - so this is a big disadvantage for many foreigners.
 
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