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I don't either, but that's why the government of QLD and WA should have been working through this months ago. There is a massive hole in the rollout.
 

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I don't either, but that's why the government of QLD and WA should have been working through this months ago. There is a massive hole in the rollout.
Yes there are concerns as they are behind but lets not forget so far very few of their people have died of Covid, they have had fewer restrictions and have had no long lockdowns so people don't feel the need to have the same imperative or necessity as Victoria and NSW did. Hopefully as vaccination numbers continue to rise they will not go through the worse of what Victoria went through when Covid hits.
 

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The only thing that has to do with vaccination rates is the ned to be more deliberate in managing the rollout because it's all on the government rather than a reaction to high case numbers.

Why are people in QLD and WA getting vaccinated at a slower rate than supply?
 

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Yes, I suppose it could have been a deliberate action by Gladys to bring in Covid to get the vaccination numbers up. Nothing like being in crisis mode to speed things up. I don't have a definitive answer to your question so what do you think should happen and what will happen in the next few months?
 

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Not even close to saying that.
I'm saying that if you are fortunate enough to not have an outbreak (politics aside) you need to put in a much greater effort to getting people vaccinated.
Victoria still has more carrots and sticks that WA and QLD do. It's quite bizarre actually.
 

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Am not sure why all the negativity and angst around it. Because that is all I hear here in WA from outside. We're all actually doing well re. vaccination when you look around the world, and how late we came to it.

If you look at the rates, the rate of vaccination is about three times higher in lagging areas (around 3% per week) compared to Victoria, NSW (mostly around 1%).

We're all approaching the hard yards.

It's remote areas that are lagging now too. Even though they were prioritised early. That is a whole other story. Though in the Kimberley for example (the lowest vaccinated region in the country) the vaccination rate is 3-3.5% per week from a base of around 46% fully and 60% partly vaccinated - better than much of Europe.

WA is on cue to be the last state to reach 90%, in mid Jan. It's not far away people just need to chill out. It's not a bad thing that we will do it then, as christmas would be a superspreader event. And while yes we all do need to get back to 'normal', there is no point in making it worse than it needs to be at this late stage.

Also just reminding people, the 'recalcitrant' states have had fewer deaths the entire pandemic, than some other states have been getting in a day. Shouldn't have to say that, but the unrelenting negativity is bringing us down, we're a success story not a pariah.
 

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Rural people here are suspicious of things like this, it has to be said. I thought my family was bad, but it didn't take much to reassure them in the end, basically that there was little choice, a choice between a slight risk and a very big risk and that there was no other way out of it.

But then, they mandated vaccination in mining here, and I assumed all my colleagues, bright young educated people had long had it, so wouldn't be a problem. But a early 20's yo (from rural southwest originally but had done a science degree in Perth) hadn't. She said 'I would have had it done but I resent them forcing me'. But then in that case, why hadn't she already? She'd had 4 months already. I notice it takes some years to rub those views off country people. They feel they're left out is the problem, though it's in their heads and also a product of resources necessarily spread thin in a place like WA. Give them an opportunity to exercise some power and they will take it. Not all obviously.
 

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Not even close to saying that.
I'm saying that if you are fortunate enough to not have an outbreak (politics aside) you need to put in a much greater effort to getting people vaccinated.
Victoria still has more carrots and sticks that WA and QLD do. It's quite bizarre actually.
I don't think you are saying that but I did. So you didn't answer my question. What should WA and QLD do to get heir vaccination rate up and still have a better outcome?

Am not sure why all the negativity and angst around it. Because that is all I hear here in WA from outside. We're all actually doing well re. vaccination when you look around the world, and how late we came to it.

If you look at the rates, the rate of vaccination is about three times higher in lagging areas (around 3% per week) compared to Victoria, NSW (mostly around 1%).

We're all approaching the hard yards.

It's remote areas that are lagging now too. Even though they were prioritised early. That is a whole other story. Though in the Kimberley for example (the lowest vaccinated region in the country) the vaccination rate is 3-3.5% per week from a base of around 46% fully and 60% partly vaccinated - better than much of Europe.

WA is on cue to be the last state to reach 90%, in mid Jan. It's not far away people just need to chill out. It's not a bad thing that we will do it then, as christmas would be a superspreader event. And while yes we all do need to get back to 'normal', there is no point in making it worse than it needs to be at this late stage.

Also just reminding people, the 'recalcitrant' states have had fewer deaths the entire pandemic, than some other states have been getting in a day. Shouldn't have to say that, but the unrelenting negativity is bringing us down, we're a success story not a pariah.
Yep the attacks are over the top and lack perspective but I do have concerns that with the current undermining with the freedumb push we might not reach where we need to be.
 

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I don't think you are saying that but I did. So you didn't answer my question. What should WA and QLD do to get heir vaccination rate up and still have a better outcome?
A couple of things (some now impossible).

1st. States without outbreaks should have, in September, identified very specific areas where vaccinated would not be able participate at a time that was months in advance, I'm thinking November 1st would have been a good date. If there were supply issues in that booking were impossible, this would be pushed back. Unfortunately, they acted too late in this. This should have been very similar to Victoria's current vaccine mandates which doesn't allow access to browse in many retail settings, including betting.

I personally know someone who is based in Adelaide flying to remote communities in SA and NT with Pfizer and vaccinating the entire community in one hit, then 3 months later, they go back. This is pre-empted by an education campaign before they arrive to ensure as many as possible get vaccinated. This needs to be a big program in QLD and WA.

Working with the Aboriginal population to ensure trusted people who speak the language is able to communicate by voice to encourage their communities. I feel this would be impossible for a white politician to achieve due to mistrust in medicine from previous abuses.

Allow vaccinated WA residents to leave and return earlier than 90%. IMO, this is prioritising the anti-vax over the vaccinated. Arrival tests would be mandatory, but free and isolation is only required until a negative result.


That's my start, there is much more that could occur. The biggest issue however, is how slow everything is happening, and the public are following the lead of their Premiers on this.
 

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What should WA and QLD do to get heir vaccination rate up and still have a better outcome?
Why are people suddenly less concerned about vaccines as soon as the virus is running wild in their state? Because people are generally selfish and lazy.

The answer to your question is: set a firm date to open up, tell people the virus is coming and give them plenty of access to vaccines beforehand.
 

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Why are people suddenly less concerned about vaccines as soon as the virus is running wild in their state? Because people are generally selfish and lazy.

The answer to your question is: set a firm date to open up, tell people the virus is coming and give them plenty of access to vaccines beforehand.
Have not all the non Covid States except WA set a date and have they not now got access to enough vaccines? WA will set its date shortly. Methinks people in NSW and Victoria's greatest motivation in getting the vaccine was that Covid was running rampant.

Also notice how QLD has upped their game? It's become real for people.
Yes I have noticed that, soon they will have the reality of being like Victoria and all the positives that meant to come with it. Can you remind again what they are?

A couple of things (some now impossible).

1st. States without outbreaks should have, in September, identified very specific areas where vaccinated would not be able participate at a time that was months in advance, I'm thinking November 1st would have been a good date. If there were supply issues in that booking were impossible, this would be pushed back. Unfortunately, they acted too late in this. This should have been very similar to Victoria's current vaccine mandates which doesn't allow access to browse in many retail settings, including betting.

I personally know someone who is based in Adelaide flying to remote communities in SA and NT with Pfizer and vaccinating the entire community in one hit, then 3 months later, they go back. This is pre-empted by an education campaign before they arrive to ensure as many as possible get vaccinated. This needs to be a big program in QLD and WA.

Working with the Aboriginal population to ensure trusted people who speak the language is able to communicate by voice to encourage their communities. I feel this would be impossible for a white politician to achieve due to mistrust in medicine from previous abuses.

Allow vaccinated WA residents to leave and return earlier than 90%. IMO, this is prioritising the anti-vax over the vaccinated. Arrival tests would be mandatory, but free and isolation is only required until a negative result.


That's my start, there is much more that could occur. The biggest issue however, is how slow everything is happening, and the public are following the lead of their Premiers on this.
I know in WA they have flown into remote communities and did them all in one hit as well but unfortunately some communities seem to be run by religious fundamentalists and elders distrusting of outsiders. Some of those other suggestions you made would help but really a good dose of Covid would bring those States living the sheltered good life to their senses like it did in Victoria and NSW.
 

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Yes I have noticed that, soon they will have the reality of being like Victoria and all the positives that meant come with it. Can you remind again what they are?
A highly vaccinated society where family and very close friends are able to reunite after a minimum of 18 months apart. People are able to visit relatives that are on their death bed without the need for special approvals. There are many benefits.

I know in WA they have flown into remote communities and did them all in one hit as well but unfortunately some communities seem to be run by religious fundamentalists and elders distrusting of outsiders. Some of those other suggestions you made would help but really a good dose of Covid would bring those States living the sheltered good life to their senses like it did in Victoria and NSW.
(y) Yeah, it's really important to prepare heavily before going in.
 

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A highly vaccinated society where family and very close friends are able to reunite after a minimum of 18 months apart. People are able to visit relatives that are on their death bed without the need for special approvals. There are many benefits.
Hopefully QLD and WA will be highly vaccinated and only a few months behind Victoria and NSW and they can avoid the long lockdowns and much of the severe illness and death. Most families and and close friends in WA have been united and socialising through out most of the pandemic because most live with in the State and there has been very few stay at home orders and distance and number limits and they visit their relatives on their death bed and kids have been going to school. There is many benefits in having kept Covid out and many disadvantages and unknowns in letting Covid in. I am realistic that Covid is coming but it is with trepidation not celebration.
 

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Yes, and by the time they open up they'll have a high vaccination rate and start with zero cases.
Yep so hopefully in a much better position than most other jurisdictions. Given those circumstances, choice and what we now know what should be the ideal vaccination rate to open up? As I want to avoid the Austrian situation as they are now back in lockdown. I am sensing a lot of nervous uncertain governments around the World right now.
 

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Yep so hopefully in a much better position than most other jurisdictions. Given those circumstances, choice and what we now know what should be the ideal vaccination rate to open up? As I want to avoid the Austrian situation as they are now back in lockdown. I am sensing a lot of nervous uncertain governments around the World right now.
I would say 80% of the eligible population with the expectation that the rate will continue to grow after opening up. Also encouraging boosters to refresh the immunity levels among the vaccinated, and continuing to expand the eligible population via approval for younger age groups.
 

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Interesting time-lapse graphics posted by the Guardian Australia on positive cases found since the start of the pandemic across NSW and Victoria.
If anything this visually shows how the state border closures were effective in containing the virus within the affected state - especially when you reach the Delta outbreak in far western NSW.


 
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