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http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21808256-5001021,00.html

Councils are strangling Sydney

SYDNEY is a metropolis strangled by too many councils - with red tape and bureaucracy handicapping the Harbour City and holding it back socially and economically.

Those are the findings of a landmark report called Who's Governing Sydney, co-authored by planning guru Professor Ed Blakely, who is currently overseeing the New Orleans reconstruction efforts.

According to the report, over-governing is stopping Sydney from reaching its potential.

Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore said the city was the "engine room" of the nation and called for authority to be returned to local government.

"I support Professor Ed Blakely's statement (that) urban power is centralised in distant State Governments and should be returned to local government who are better placed to deliver on sensitive local issues," she said.

Comparing Sydney with London, Toronto, San Francisco, Frankfurt and Shanghai, Professor Blakely found the stagnant local government structure of Sydney, which has remained unchanged for the past 25 years, was stopping the city from moving forward.

He said in comparison with the five other benchmark cities, Sydney was disadvantaged by the lack of a city-wide government, a centralised government and a fragmented local governance structure.

The report was commissioned by the Sydney Chamber of Commerce. It also found Sydney had the highest number of local governments per 100,000 population and the smallest area of city governance compared with the entire metropolitan area.

Sydney Chamber of Commerce chief executive Patricia Forsythe said the report highlighted Sydney's flaws. She said she hoped it would spark debate.

Ms Forsythe said Sydney needed to either imbue the City of Sydney Council with more authority to speak for the local government areas of the city, or create a new structure such as the one in London where an umbrella organisation sits between the state and local governments – representing Sydney.

"In a global sense there are very few cities around the world with a size and reach of Sydney but with such a small authority such as in the Sydney city council," she said.

"There is an issue in being able to get decisions in a prompt and effective manner."

Responding to the report yesterday, Local Government Minister Paul Lynch said the State Government was working hand in hand with the local councils in an ongoing reform program.

"By sharing resources and entering into strategic alliances, councils are in a better position to deliver what matters most to ratepayers – better services," he said.

Mr Lynch said the local government department was currently reviewing submissions for a State Government paper on allowing council general managers to work across boundaries.
 

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Agree! Bout time someone official pointed out the absurdity of Sydney's balkanised local government.
 

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I know that Sydney and Perth have similar city council setups with smaller "enclave" Councils that promote self interest and retention of there character, the WAPC has been fighting the CCC in Perth’s Western Suburbs to allow low-rise development. It makes it really hard for greater urban consolidation or improved development. Don’t worry about land release it’s these chumps that create the largest segregation of the housing market.
 

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I can't imagine all those councillors giving up their posts to the City. I think the best we can hope for is a gradual Clover Moore led SCC consuming smaller nearby council areas one by one.
At the very least I want to see SCC eat up Randwick, Botany Bay, Waverley, Woollahra, Marrickville and Leichhardt. That would give it a similar area and population to for instance the City of San Francisco.
 

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It should just gobble up all of sydney IMO, and Clover should be relieved of her post, she is not up to the task.

We need a new system in place that allows for progression.
 

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At the very least I want to see SCC eat up Randwick, Botany Bay, Waverley, Woollahra, Marrickville and Leichhardt. That would give it a similar area and population to for instance the City of San Francisco.
i agree, but i think it should be a few more gobbled up than that so that we basically end up with a sydney city council, western sydney (from just east of parramatta out to penrith western limits - maybe this would need to be split into 2), northern sydney and southern sydney once they are all joined. there would probably need to be a sw sydney and nw sydney aswell.

anyway, you get the idea. and of course the councillors would fight to keep their power just like they have with other amalgamations - they've all been necessary but shit-fights.
 

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i agree, but i think it should be a few more gobbled up than that so that we basically end up with a sydney city council, western sydney (from just east of parramatta out to penrith western limits - maybe this would need to be split into 2), northern sydney and southern sydney once they are all joined. there would probably need to be a sw sydney and nw sydney aswell.
I'd be in that. Finally we might see an entire local electorate with some guts get behind a project like the North West rail link and get it sorted. Someone write to Mr Iemma...
 

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It really does need to be done.

But just where do you draw the line? Obviously the redrafting of the lines should represent the major areas of Sydney. But where do you draw the line as to the "Parramatta" area when driving (ignoring council boundaries?).

And I feel there should be some sort of employment centre in all of them.

The Northern Beaches should definitely be one council.

Some of the councils are so small as to be... lol.

Ashfield, Burwood and Strathfield each have seperate councils. They're pretty much next to each other as suburbs.

I think the one that takes the cake is Hunters Hill Council. I kid you not.

It comprises of part of Gladesville, Hunters Hill (obviously) Woolwich, and a couple of other suburbs so small they seem to have been suspiciously created to justify the council's existence.

I'm surprised by how large Randwick council is though.
 

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Sorry for the double post, but I was bored and... thought this warranted a seperate post.

First off, the existing council arrangement (the outer Sydney one is from 2004 - I actually had to edit the inner Sydney one to reflect the changed boundary between Sydney and Leichhardt councils!):



And here's a rough plan I've drawn up, which I think might work. There's still a few councils, but it's much better than having 38 councils (count 'em!).



The unnamed council area between North Sydney/North Shore, Mona Vale and Baulkham Hills councils is obviously named Hornsby.

Hypothetically, a modification of this would be to keep the boundary for Hornsby the same. Sutherland council would also be relatively untouched, aside from Sandy Bay which really should be in Liverpool council, so I moved it there.

Alternately, this model could form a transitional phase. Another plan might be to simply merge all of the councils shown on the "Inner Sydney Councils" diagram.

Ignore the red line north of the Western Sydney Boundary's North Western Corner.

Oh, and the blue line was just me doodling and thinking roughly where the Ultimate Urban Area should end. I was gonna draw inside the national parks up on the Northern side, but got lazy, so I just drew it where it was.

And yes, I do have far too much time on my hands.
 

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why does Hurstville exist? extend Sydney to King Georges Road and give Sutherland the rest. Oh and attach North Sydney to Sydney too.
 

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Or set the boundary so everything within Metroad 3 is part of Sydney City, except maybe the Northern Beaches.
 

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Can someone inform me why councils are strangling Sydney? If there were less councils, wouldn't that mean more areas getting more ignored? "We have to deal with a bigger area of land, we'll do this here, and that there and an area may get ignored" as opposed to "Now that we have a smaller piece of land to deal with, it should be a little more easier to moderate and people's concerns won't get ignored".

As for my area, I'd love for it to be gobbled up by the SCC. Clover Moore is doing a fantastic job and I'd be satisfied if she had control of all councils in Sydney. ;)

It should just gobble up all of sydney IMO, and Clover should be relieved of her post, she is not up to the task.
Yes she is. She is the most successful, well liked and well known Lord Mayor there is. You only dislike her because you're a nimby, you're car obsessed, and because you're from the North Sharrr. "HOW DARE THEY ADD TREES AND PUBLIC TRANSPORT TO THIS AREA?! I DON'T WANT TO BE HEALTHY!!"
 

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You want to know why? Councils are obstructionist, work for their own areas and work against neighbouring councils. It's an absolute farce, they should all be abolished all they do is tie us up in more redtape. We need an homogenous vision that takes in the entire area of greater sydney, not a narrow cast view adopted by old councellors that should have been booted out on the arses 30 years ago.

As for me preferring cars ... yeah i like the convenience but I want trains on other parts of the north shore and beaches! I also happen to like trees, but why on earth would we need more parks in the CBD?

Clover is a self obscessed mole trying to run her own agenda, she smacks of environmentalism and seems less concerned with fostering business (regardless of what she says). Nothing ever gets done! Councils just talk bullshit most of the time and it's evident. Stop wasting our time and get on with administering our areas. Some of her grand plans have already failed miserably, she is just not what we need, we need someone with more empathy towards business and less interest in wearing lesbian chokers and yammering on about trams.
 

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Seems like Sydney should go the way Toronto did in the 80's and 90's. The city expanded its borders to encompass most of the surrounding suburbs to the point the population went from 600 000 to over 2 million. This is just the actual city. The Metro are is in the 5 million range so more expansion could eventually occur.

As a result of this, the city no longer has to fight for federal and provincial funding with inner suburbs.
 

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Seems like Sydney should go the way Toronto did in the 80's and 90's. The city expanded its borders to encompass most of the surrounding suburbs to the point the population went from 600 000 to over 2 million. This is just the actual city. The Metro are is in the 5 million range so more expansion could eventually occur.

As a result of this, the city no longer has to fight for federal and provincial funding with inner suburbs.
Using Sydney as a reference, what kind of area does Toronto city take in?
 

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Seems like Sydney should go the way Toronto did in the 80's and 90's. The city expanded its borders to encompass most of the surrounding suburbs to the point the population went from 600 000 to over 2 million. This is just the actual city. The Metro are is in the 5 million range so more expansion could eventually occur.

As a result of this, the city no longer has to fight for federal and provincial funding with inner suburbs.
Sydney City Council did actually almalgamate with the large South Sydney Council area to create a "super boundary". The working, living and regular user/visitor population certainly more than doubled and this was also in an attempt for admin to streamline measures and cost-cut....

* South Sydney City Council was abolished and re-amalgamated with the City of Sydney in two stages (May 2003 and February 2004).

* Glebe was transferred from Leichhardt Council back to the City of Sydney (May 2003).

Population-wise (living & working only) Bureau of Stats 2006:

Around 250,000 people work in the CBD, and this is forecast to grow by around 50- 60,000 people over the next 10 -20 years.

150,000 live in the inner city (new LGA boundaries) and this is also forecast to grow by around 60,000 over the next 20 years.

 
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