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I'm a tad bored by cricket these days, however the upcoming Series with the Poms is kind of rekindling my passion.
I've been MUCH more interested in watching Warnies wicket taking lead over Murali increase nicely in the last year along with Pontings batting average getting closer and closer to 60!!!!!
Thanks Bangladesh !!!
It is pretty amazing to think that Ponting and Warnie are once in a generation players that are CURRENTLY playing for us.

Question - Do you think Ricky will hit the magic batting average of 60 and go down as our best ever batsman ( or is Alan Border better coz his runs were racked up against the West Indies bowlers? ) and Warnie hit the magic 700 wickets before they retire ( almost twice Dennis Lillee's total! ) ???
 

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Your level of cricket makes the rest of the world turn green with envy. OZ is marginally larger than NL yet NL is completely dwarfed by OZ in terms of cricket. On top of that you have like two old farts playing at the highest level.
Warnie is God. I'm a natural leggie turned wicketkeeper myself and I'd just wish I even had like a per cent of his in my fingers.
I saw Border against the Windies and boy, that was a hell of a fight. I hope you'll never get overtly critical or even cynical, sometimes I think of moving your way just because of the cricket.
 

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I feel Ponting will reach 60 or get close to averaging that. But he playing his cricket in an era where the only world class bowlers are bowling to him in the nets, and not the the test matches!

BTW Border only scored 2052 runs at 39.46 against the WI, compared to career tally of 11174 runs at 50.56. So, he too, like many batsmen struggled against the might of the Windies.

Warne and Murali is a more interesting contest. My pick will be Murali to lead once they have both retired, simply because he is SL main strike bowler, whereas Warne comes on after Lee, McGrath, and doesnt bowl from one end all the time. Also, SL cricket is struggling, so the ICC are scheduling more cricket within sub-continent teams, where Murali is suited to the wickets.
 

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I thought Bradman was the best ever :?

Ponting to me is the best of his generation. He will be the best since Bradman if he gets to redeem himself in the subcontinent, especially in India where his record is dismal from what I check in statistics.
 

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in my opinion Warne is the best player since Bradman. Think about it. no one has done more to re-invigorate the game in the last 50 years than warne has. he's been brilliant on the field for nearly 15 years and has been controversial to the max as well... and lets be honest people would rather hear about contraversy over someone who never says a word. ie) Curtly ambrose. i dont remember poor curtly ever saying a damn thing in his entire career. great bowler but what a great bore as well.

Also, what warne does is the most difficult thing to do properly as well ie) bowl leg spin.

Ponting, although a great batsman, hasnt done nearly as much as warne to spotlight test match cricket again.
 

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Ponting is the best batsman of this generation including Tendulkar. Sachin is rubbish on fast, bouncy wickets.

But I reckon there was a load of players from the 70s and 80s as good and better than him. Allan Border and Greg Chappell jump out at you. Even Dean Jones in this current climate of piss weak bowling would have been right up there.

We will never know.
 

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Ponting has been fantastic, it's true that he doesn't face the challange of the great players of the 70/80's in facing the West Indian team, or even the great Pakistani bowlers of the late 80/90's but that said, you play against what is there, and he is a standout for his time.

Murali I don't rate against Warne, I don't have the time or resources, but I would love to see how many tests he has played against the likes of Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, etc compared to Warne. And also 50% on his own choice pitches, whilst even in Australia pitches are prepared for pace, yet Warne takes wickets on them. Also Warne has been in a team always of great bowlers, sharing wickets, whilst Murali is basically the only true wicket-taker Sri Lanker have got.

The ICC are racially motivated cowards in not backing up the umpires in calling Murali as a chucker, the rules have slowly been changed to allow him, and any current player/umpire is gagged from speaking out, but every single person in cricket knows the true story, a chucker has been getting away with it, because the ICC is Asian based and won't rule against him.
 

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BobDaBuilder said:
Ponting is the best batsman of this generation including Tendulkar. Sachin is rubbish on fast, bouncy wickets.

But I reckon there was a load of players from the 70s and 80s as good and better than him. Allan Border and Greg Chappell jump out at you. Even Dean Jones in this current climate of piss weak bowling would have been right up there.

We will never know.
You might want to cast a memory back to Sachins first tour of Australia as a 18yo who scored 148* on Perth against a triplet of fast bowlers and a young Warne.

Curtly's menace was with the ball not with his mouth as most aussie players these days are forgetting the 'gentlemen' roots of the game.

I dont remember much of the 70s (too young) but Border/Waugh were the best no 5s the game has seen imo. Its a far cry from the No 5s these days in Clarke/Symonds...
 

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Aussie Bhoy said:
Ponting has been fantastic, it's true that he doesn't face the challange of the great players of the 70/80's in facing the West Indian team, or even the great Pakistani bowlers of the late 80/90's but that said, you play against what is there, and he is a standout for his time.

Murali I don't rate against Warne, I don't have the time or resources, but I would love to see how many tests he has played against the likes of Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, etc compared to Warne. And also 50% on his own choice pitches, whilst even in Australia pitches are prepared for pace, yet Warne takes wickets on them. Also Warne has been in a team always of great bowlers, sharing wickets, whilst Murali is basically the only true wicket-taker Sri Lanker have got.

The ICC are racially motivated cowards in not backing up the umpires in calling Murali as a chucker, the rules have slowly been changed to allow him, and any current player/umpire is gagged from speaking out, but every single person in cricket knows the true story, a chucker has been getting away with it, because the ICC is Asian based and won't rule against him.
Thats basically what i said too. But the ICC racially motivated? That's a bit far off?...perhaps...
 

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South Asia to host 2011 World Cup

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Asia have won the bid to host the 2011 World Cup by beating a joint bid by Australia and New Zealand by ten votes to three. The ICC's executive committee met in Dubai on Sunday, and made series of decisions regarding the future hosting of events. After missing out on 2011, Australia and New Zealand have the 2015 World Cup and England the 2019 event.

"We did a great job, the four countries put together an impressive presentation and we got 10 out of 13 votes," Lalit Modi, BCCI vice-president told the Press Trust of India. "We are looking forward to it. A lot of work has to go in. The four countries will jointly sit down along with ICC to chalk out plans for hosting the 2011 World Cup. A lot of infrastructure needs to be put in place. We are mentally geared up for it. We will do the task at hand."

Reflecting on the decision over the 2011 tournament, Ehsan Mani, the ICC President, said: "On behalf of the ICC I congratulate the four Asian members on earning the right to host the World Cup 2011.

"Since turning up at the ICC board meeting in March with an unviable submission they have worked hard to satisfy the strict hosting criteria set by the ICC. That a compliant submission was produced ahead of the final deadline earlier this month is testament to the capacity of these four countries to work together.

"We can now prepare with confidence for what promises to be the biggest occasion that cricket fans in Asia and around the world will ever have seen. This is the first time that members interested in hosting ICC events have been required to produce submissions that fulfil strict hosting criteria and we have been delighted with the process.

The delegates representing the Asian bid at the meeting also expressed their joy at securing the right to host the 2011 tournament.

"We are delighted to have been asked to host the ICC Cricket World Cup 2011, it is a tremendous honour," said Shaharyar Khan, the chairman of the PCB. "The submissions process has been eye-opening for all of us. I don't think we fully appreciated the volume of work that was required to produce a compliant submission and we are grateful to the ICC Board for allowing us extra time to complete this process."

I.S.Bindra, who attended the meeting on behalf of the BCCI, said: "I was fortunate enough to be associated with Asia's previous successful bids for the 1987 and 1996 tournaments. Both of those were great successes and we hope 2011 will represent a new landmark as a cricketing and sporting milestone.

"We can promise that the 2011 Cricket World Cup will be as big as the football World Cup. In Asia you will see traffic stop, and massive television audiences and crowds for all the matches played."

The BCCI secretary, Naranjan Shah, who was in Dubai to help deliver the Asian presentation, added: "We worked hard as a group and we were all determined to get the World Cup. It has been a joint effort and this result is the fruits of those efforts."

The Bangladesh representative, Mohammad Ali Asghar MP, said: "This is fantastic news and is a big progression for Bangladesh, especially as we have also secured an ICC Event in 2014. The matches in our country will definitely keep up Bangladesh's development in world cricket and we congratulate the ICC for giving us this chance. We will ensure we have all the support necessary from our Government to make these events successful."

Jayantha Dharmadasa, the chairman of Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC), added: "It is difficult to find the words to express how delighted I am with this news. All of Sri Lanka, from the President down, will be thrilled with what has happened and with the problems in the country at the moment this is a very positive thing.

"We have also been awarded an ICC Event in 2012, and whether it will be a Twenty20 World Championship or a Champions Trophy we are so happy to be hosting it. The events in 2011 and 2012 mean that we will have hosted five ICC tournaments in 12 years and that speaks very highly of Sri Lanka, SLC and the present administration.

"We will have two new grounds by then with one near Kandy and the newly renovated stadium in Galle and that means we would have a total of seven excellent world-class venues to use."

The result is a boost for the Asian group whose bid had been weakened by a late submission. India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh had made a bid and were allowed an extension until April 21 to set out their proposal after they had difficulty hitting the first deadline in March. In the end, when it came down to voting, the Asian group came through with a big majority.
 

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My question is: Who the **** actually cares? This Australian team at the moment is so exceptionally bullshit, that watching each game gets more one sided and more a boring turn off, that I hope other team actually wins!
 

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Murali has gone on record as to say he is not interested in the world record. Remember, he is getting older himself, and the older you get, the more prone you are to injuries. He probably thinks in his own mind that he won't ever be able to catch Warne. And what will make it harder for him is that Warne will just keep bowling until his arm pretty much drops off.

As for Ponting, he is a batting 'god' and IMO has overtaken Tendulkar as the all-round batting supremo.
 

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maybe warne will sms till his arms drop off
 

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he should be smart enough to know that he should sms with his left hand.

I don't think Warne is our best ever cricketer since Bradman. Probably the most well-known, but not the best. Best bowler maybe, but Mcgrath and Lillee come into mind aswell.
 

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What are you wearing Renell?
 

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Tendulkar is the most talented batsman of his generation in my opinion. Ponting may the best run-scorer, but I would certainly put Tendulkar and Lara above him in terms of ability and entertainment value. Tendulkar has been incredibly unlucky with injuries over the past few years, but previously people were talking about him being the best since Bradman, or maybe even ever. He just hasn't been the same player since his injury problems. Tendulkar has scored loads of runs all over the world- a double hundred in Australia, lots of runs in England and obviously plenty on the Subcontinent. Ponting hasn't scored too many in England- he only managed one hundred in last year's Ashes series.
 

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^^^

You should get a video of the 2003 world cup final between Australia and India. Ponting played the most brilliant innings I have ever seen whilst Tendulkar got out for 2 from memory. Point is, you must also be able to judge a player in the important innings as well. In that regard, I believe Ponting has it all over Tendulkar.
 
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