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All news/rumours/debates relating to the Cruise Ship Industry in South Africa and plans to develop this industry.
 

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The MSC Sinfonia based in Durban for the 2009/10 cruise season...




Starlight Cruises, South Africa’s only operator of regular cruises from and around the South African coast, has announced that the Liner, MSC SINFONIA, will from November 2009 operate cruises from Durban to destinations in the Indian Ocean and Mozambique Channel. At 58600 tons and close to 2100 passengers, the MSC SINFONIA will be the largest and most modern ship to have ever operated from a South African port.

The MSC SINFONIA is a new liner hosting 778 cabins, of which 135 are suites with private balconies. The ship also boasts 3 restaurants, 7 bars, 2 pools, spa, business and conference centre, internet café, casino, cigar room, disco, fitness centre, golf simulator, library, card room, mini club, teen’s club, exchange office and medical centre. The facilities and onboard activities allow for travelers to tailor make their own experience whilst in the luxurious surroundings.

“The market appears to be calling out for a world class liner in the region,” says Starlight director Allan Foggit, “the South African economy suggests to us that our timing is exactly right. We believe the SINFONIA represents most excellent cruising at the best value, and offers the most exciting local holiday in these trying times. This is definitely the biggest single development in the local cruise industry in South Africa since we first pioneered leisure cruising off this coast.”

From daytime activities to evening entertainment, all tastes and needs are catered for. Children are more than welcome with relevant facilities offered. Children up to the age of 18 travel free.

Interesting points to note on the MSC SINFONIA visiting South Africa include – it will effectively increase annual capacity near 70,000 in the 2009/2010 season. Revenue to the Port of Durban in the form of Port Charges and taxes will be around R20,000,000 per annum. Local hotels, transport and ground service providers in Durban will see huge increases in demand. Food and beverage suppliers too are looking at a very substantial increase in ships victualing, of a similar percentage to those of the hotels and other ground service providers. Local airlines will enjoy increases of similar magnitude in catering for “upland” cruise guest who travel from their home cities to and from Durban.
http://www.starlightcruises.co.za/
 

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There is an article in the Business Durban magazine which confirms the two cruise ships to be berthed in CT, PE and DBN during the World Cup. The CT Transport plans already indicated the location/position of these two cruise ships in the harbour adjacent to the Royal Cape Yacht Club i.e. 16 and 17 in the graphic above.
 

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As posted in the now closed "floating hotel" thread.

If the QE2 is berthed in Cape Town, there are various options. Referring to the Cape Town 2004 Olympic Bid Cruise ship plan.

QE2
Dimensions

Length: 963 ft (293.52m)
Breadth: 105 ft (32.07m)



It seems that there are various options, since the QE2 is only about 20metres larger than some of the largest on this list.
 

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Ministry of Tourism will not oppose QE2 berth application


Posted in: Crane Country
Posted by: Bradley Hope on July 17, 2009 5:52 PM

Tags: nakheel, QE2, queen elizabeth 2


Here's the latest with the Queen Elizabeth 2 - the 41-year-old vessel that was bought by Nakheel to be turned into a floating hotel off the Palm Jumeirah:

She may leave Dubai for Cape Town, but the trip would be temporary. The Ministry of Tourism in South Africa just put out a statement saying that it would not oppose an application to berth the cruise ship at the Cape Town harbor.
Photo caption: The Queen Elizabeth 2 (QE2) arrives in Dubai, United Arab Emirates on November 26th, 2008. Courtesy Nakheel
But it also mentioned that the application was to birth the cruise liner "for a period of 18 months".

This fits in with Nakheel's previous statement that the ship could open to visitors before its refurbishment begins. Here is what they said last week:

"Nakheel is investigating the possibility of opening QE2 to visitors for a
short period of time before her refurbishment begins. The feasibility of
this has not yet been fully ascertained, as Nakheel is keen to ensure that
at all times the integrity of the ship is maintained. In addition to
alternative locations in Dubai, a number of ports in Africa and the Middle
East have expressed interest in hosting her as a stationary hotel."
 

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Sounds like they're allowing enough time before the renovations start to see if CT is a viable location. As long as it's open during the World Cup, there should be no problem.
 

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I'm hearing rumours that its almost go go go for the QE2 in Cape Town, with the 18 months period starting December 2009 ...possibly.

At the moment I would even go as far as saying that I'm optimistic about the outcome.

I've "heard" Transnet would prefer less than 18 months and want a plan on the pre-refurbishments refurbishments while it acts a hotel, they also want clearer plans on the facilities to be provided by Dubaiworld for the thousands of people to be accommodated on QE2 AND how this would tie up with the facilities needed for OTHER cruise ships AND what financial commitment Dubaiworld will be making to service those moving between the ship and the city and V&A and elsewhere.
 

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QM2 to visit Durbs & CT in March next year!!! Do they still offer trips form Durbs to CT? I know when QE2 should visit they should offer a package to travel with them till CT. Would love to go on the QM2.



 

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I'm hearing rumours that its almost go go go for the QE2 in Cape Town, with the 18 months period starting December 2009 ...possibly.

At the moment I would even go as far as saying that I'm optimistic about the outcome.
QE2 to sail for Cape Town, Nakheel confirms


Jul 20, 2009 at 08:59


By Shakir Husain Nakheel confirmed on Monday that the historic QE2 cruise liner, which Dubai bought for $100 million in 2007 and planned to use as a floating hotel off the Palm Jumeirah man-made island, will sail to Cape Town in major U-turn in the plans for the ship.

“After months of feasibility studies, it is clear that Cape Town, with ready-made berthing facilities, provides the best opportunity for us to open QE2 to visitors as quickly as possible,” Manfred Ursprunger, chief executive officer of QE2 Enterprises at Nakheel Hotels, said in a statement released to Maktoob Business.

The Queen Elisabeth 2 has been linked with a temporary berth in Cape Town harbour for weeks after Nakheel, part of state-owned conglomerate Dubai World, said it was considering berthing the iconic cruise liner outside Dubai.

South African media reported Nakheel had approached tourism authorities to berth the QE2 at Cape Town's V&A Waterfront, also owned by Dubai World.

Nakheel said it will provide details about the ship’s sailing to Cape Town after it has finalised the plan with the concerned authorities in South Africa.

“Cape Town will provide an exciting environment to experience the legendary QE2 over the next 18 months alongside the rich culture of South Africa and the incredible array of activities, entertainments and excursions available there,” Ursprunger said.

Nakheel said the forthcoming 2010 FIFA World Cup “makes a sensible business case” for moving the ship there.

Any deal still needs the approval of South Africa’s National Ports Authority and Transnet, the country’s major ports company.

Nakheel had planned to turn the QE2 into a floating hotel, but has been left untouched at Port Rashid since its arrival last November.

Berthing the QE2 in Cape Town for the World Cup could generate some much needed cash for Nakheel, which has been hit hard by the collapse of Dubai’s real estate market.

The company itself has put some of its projects, including the Trump Tower, on hold and has retrenched hundreds of staff amid a slump in property sales.

The company is at the centre of growing concerns over the emirate's ability to repay billions of dollars in debt and is entangled in a growing number of disputes over unpaid bills to foreign contractors.

The maturity of a $3.5 billion bond in December, and how to refinance it, is also weighing heavily on the minds of analysts rating Dubai's government-owned companies.

One of the world’s most famous ships, the QE2 had crossed the Atlantic more than 800 times in its 40 years of service and carried more than 2.5 million passengers before arriving in Dubai.
 

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Now that the QE2 is confirmed for SA,shouldn't the " Floating Hotel " be reopened in the project section.

Could this have been in the plans from the beginning,a pic in the '' V&A Waterfront Update '' section shows a ship similar to the QE2 Berthed in CT


The ship is at the end of the main pear


The front end of the ship can be seen in this photo
 

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Let them sleep on ships - Blatter
July 20 2009

Bonn - Fifa president Joseph Blatter believes cruise ships could be the solution to the problem of a lack of hotel beds for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa.

"Cruise ships, which offer places for around 2 000 people, could be brought there," Blatter said in an interview with the Deutsche Welle TV station.

However, the idea could only be a partial solution as Durban and Port Elizabeth are the only host cities that could accommodate such large ships and World Cup organisers are facing a shortfall of up to 15 000 beds.

The World Cup takes place in South Africa June 11 to July 11, 2010. - Sapa-dpa

http://www.ioltravel.co.za/article/view/5091116
 

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QE2 will be berthed at the harbour not the waterfront where that cruise ship is.
But remember this is only TEMPORARY,The main pear looks suspeciously like the planned terminal in Dubai






Its probably just a coincedence,I know this is off topic but its just too suspecious,probably an early conceptual idea
 

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that first photo is definately the palm jumeira, you can see the "palm fronds"with houses on them on the top left corner
 

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Let them sleep on ships - Blatter
July 20 2009

Bonn - Fifa president Joseph Blatter believes cruise ships could be the solution to the problem of a lack of hotel beds for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa.

"Cruise ships, which offer places for around 2 000 people, could be brought there," Blatter said in an interview with the Deutsche Welle TV station.

However, the idea could only be a partial solution as Durban and Port Elizabeth are the only host cities that could accommodate such large ships and World Cup organisers are facing a shortfall of up to 15 000 beds.

The World Cup takes place in South Africa June 11 to July 11, 2010. - Sapa-dpa

http://www.ioltravel.co.za/article/view/5091116
Its quite silly because its quite obvious there would be an accommodation shortage in terms of hotel rooms. Durban had the British Lions and people could hardly find a hotel room to sleep. Cape Town has a conference and hotel rooms are all booked.

Yes, we have a wide variety of accommodation and The Western Cape Region has 140,000 beds BUT this must be marketed and be made available to tourists at reasonable prices.

FIFA have only themselves to blame for not meeting their 55,000 room requirement. The MATCH contract does not make everybody happy.

FIFA need to find a cruise ship marketer/partner and make them the official company responsible for attracting cruise ships to 2010 and Brazil in 2014.
 

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I know when QE2 should visit they should offer a package to travel with them till CT. Would love to go on the QM2.
well theres my idea shot down

Dear *****,

Thank you for your email.

Regrettably the ships are not offering the short sectors around the SA coastline. The shortest sectors offered are Sydney to Cape Town or Cape Town to Fort Lauderdale.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further assistance.

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flew into Dubai this moring right over the old port rashid and the QE2 is gone, so she is on her way.

I have howeber read that nakheel are planning an using her to go to major events around the world (olympics, world cups etc ) as a floating temp hotel, so she will be in Ct a year or so then move onto the next big event
 

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the reclimation for the land bridge where the QE2 was due to live on Palm Jumeriah has been completed and is waiting for her. maybe for ever
 
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