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Curzon call

Architect Hamilton Associates will this month submit its Curzon Park masterplan in Birmingham for planning permission.


1 July, 2005

The 10-acre site includes 72,000 m2 of office space, 40,000 m2 of mixed residential tenure, a 300-bed hotel and a mix of cafes, restaurants, shops and leisure facilities. The client is Eastside Partnership, the project manager and planning supervisor is Drivers Jonas, the multidisciplinary engineer is Arup and the spatial integration specialist is Space Syntax.

 

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Nice at last some news! i take it this is the new Eastside park. Couldn't be more different from what's there at the moment, and with Richard Rogers City Park Gate it will be an amazing transformation.
 

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Looks interesting. Is this the old parcelforce site?

Two points to raise though.

1. That artwork looks very similar to city park gate.
2. This will be affected by the MacDermid consultation zone, if it is the old parcelforce site.
 

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Looks like a pile of shite to me. It will never come off. Very few great schemes in Brum ever do these days.

Bring back Will Alsop....all is forgiven.
 

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starting to agree with you again, a few days ago i thought it would look fantastic, but can just imagine this project being scaled back and ending up with something out of the old soviet bloc
 

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I just find the proposals and designs predictable, derivative, totally generic and boring.

Pretty much symptomatic of Brum in general in fact.

Playing safe seems to be the game with the former second city of the UK now, doesn't it? I mean I once visualised a striking spiral skyscraper tower to be built in place of the Post and Mail Building at Colmore Circus and posted the pic up on these very forums a year or two ago (see the "Projects" thread to see a re-posting of them.) - and of course, it's now inevitable that London has now put forward a proposal for a tower in the City - looking very similar to this idea of mine - and it just sums up exactly what I feel really - that anything daring and creative and striking inevitably ends up gracing the Capital's skyline - but never fucking Birmingham, whose motto used to be "Forward" even as recently as the late 1990s. Well, so much for that then eh?...... more likely it's changed to "Backward" now - what a load of crap! The city really should hang its head in shame. It's going nowhere fast. Believe me.
 

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god take a chill pill, your so negative !!!

this is a master plan ONLY, it means the designs of buildings are indicative, not formalised...as discussed already all citys are made up of mainly solid buildings

this could be the next Brindleyplace....time will tell
 

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Master plan? Masturbatory plan more like. :lol:

What other flavoured chill pills can you recommend? I'm sick of sucking on these bitter ones for so long. They're fooking crap.
 

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Can you suggest an alternative then?

Can I bite, chew, crunch them in that case?
 

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look beyond Arena Central and its obvious undeliverability !!! 13 years and counting

these developers have already had there proposal for Curzon Student Village delayed by the intransigence of McDermiad....but they are still pressing ahead with these plans, on a site which can be flattened very very quickly, its a big shed and the land could be cleared in a very short time

I predict this will be started before we get the revised masterplan for Arena Central, which is beyond a joke and I doubt Miller will pull it off....its a large complicated site and its mixed use makes it more awkward to deliver....judging Birmingham solely on the lack of progress on its least viable scheme is like judging London on the Elephant and castle....its been in planning for just as long !!!

but a look at the reasons for arena centrals long delay, its evident why its never got off the ground yet, its all in these forums, the council have no blame there, apart from stupidity and guilability !!! The original developers played a great game and made a shed load of money, without ever having an intention to build...its happens all the time, all over the country and has been a particualr problem here, its called Landbanking !!! there are lots of sites being 'talked up' by developers so they can increase the value of the land and then sell it on, NO RISK and they make money

The Eastside scheme is easily the most deliverable of the two ? and will get handouts from AWM. Arens Central gets non, time will tell
 

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But what about the wet fart that is the proposed Post and Mail building (short squat fat ugly fucken box thing instead of a much-wished for landmark structure)?

And the Colmore / Snow Hill / Masshouse Circus tower projects? Not exactly very exciting are they? Manchester/Salford's The Edge scheme is positively inspired by comparison.

I know much of this is dictated by the market for such [mixed use?] commercial ventures but surely some inspirational designs should be called into the equation instead of this perennially self-defeating "will this do?" attitude that I am so sick of seeing prevailing with all Brum projects. Why the hell is it always London that grabs the headlines then? And now, to a lesser extent, even the likes of Manchester, Leeds and Liverpool!
 

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I seem to think those citys would grab the headlines if they farted in a paper bag !!! FACT the media dont exactly rush to print positive storeys about Birmingham

The post and mail is a well designed piece of architecture, it wont set the world alight, but Birmingham needs good quality office space and that is, like it or not to look at....it may not be tall but its not as bad as the crap that is 1 Colmore Square

as i have said before, if anything Birmingham is taking note of the like of CABE and Lord Rogers and avoiding having every large project as landmarks !!!

although i still prefered the post and mail to have stayed
 
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