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I know, it's not a skyscraper but it's a major construction so I'm dropping it in this news area

Dawn stealth

http://www.theleader.com.au/2007/05/1_dawn_stealth_secret_start_to.php

May 17, 2007 11:56 AM
By John Mulcair


Big movers: An excavator at work at the desalination site.
The works are certain to be on the agenda at a meeting tomorrow
between Sydney Water and the community, which was not told of
the machinery's arrival. Picture: John Veage

TRUCKS and earthmoving equipment rumbled into Kurnell at dawn yesterday to begin preliminary works on the controversial desalination plant site.
Residents said possibly 30 trucks were lined up along both sides of Sir Joseph Banks Drive between 6am and 7am, many carrying earthmovers.
By 8am excavators and bulldozers were forming up previously dumped soil around the street end of the site, with generator powered lighting, a demountable site office and other equipment and facilities in the background.
A Sydney Water spokesman said about 30 to 35 trucks a day would be working at the site over the next six to eight weeks cleaning up dumped cars, building and other materials, including asbestos. Clean fill would be ferried in.
He emphasised the activity was restricted to preliminary works that would ''take the site to an acceptable level'' by removing contaminants: it was not a start in any other way of the proposed desalination plant.
Sutherland Shire Council and community groups are furious, saying there was no prior notification of Sydney Water's arrival at Kurnell.
Sutherland Shire desalination plant working party chairwoman Lorraine Kelly blasted the State Government and Sydney Water for failing to tell the community of the start of work.
''I simply can't decide if it's complete arrogance or complete bureaucracy for them yet again failing to consult this community on the stages of construction for the desalination plant. Perhaps it's both,'' Cr Kelly said.
''The council and the community have been vocal about the lack of consultation from the day desalination was announced in July, 2005.
''For residents to wake this morning to a barrage of trucks and heavy earthmoving equipment with no notification only serves to breed further mistrust and contempt for this project.
''At least Energy Australia has had the courtesy to advise us they will be at the site next week to provide power.
''There was certainly no notification from Sydney Water.''
Kurnell Progress Association's Dorothy Exxon was unimpressed, too.
''No one was told, it was just that someone going out to work early this morning discovered it,'' she said.
''We were just kept in the dark.''
 

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^^ I didn't know you guys were getting a desal? Our government's just announced that they're building yet another one.

A bit rough of them not telling the public. I suppose the government wanted this so badly that they weren't going to put up with any public opposition.
 

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He emphasised the activity was restricted to preliminary works that would ''take the site to an acceptable level'' by removing contaminants: it was not a start in any other way of the proposed desalination plant.
"restricted to preliminary works" :eek:hno: I know an ex-Sydney Water engineer who told me that the gov. is going to build the desal plant no matter what and as early as possible - with or without rain and with or without community acceptance and with or without telling a soul that oops, where did that Sydney desal plant come from?
 

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^ sounds plausible, why wouldn't they? they just won an election, they'll do what they like and the earlier they do it the less likely people will remember at the next election, or people will just be used to it by then anyway.
 

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Fair enough they should have given warning on excavation commencement, but why are Sydney residents so opposed to a desal plant? Are they noisy & is this too close to a residential section or is it just Sydney's NIMBY community having had nothing much to bitch about lately.
Cudos that they are thinking of the future (even though it should have been done ages ago) & good on WA for already doing it.
 

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How big is the plant?
 

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The residents should shut the **** up, who cares if they are told about the clean up of the proposed site, too many fucking whingers in this country. A few trucks and whatnot are really not going to create too many problems for them. The area is dead as it is, so a little traffic wont hurt them. Are people too precious to realise the overall need for this plant? State Gov should just get on with the job of building it.
 

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Good on them, making a desal plant. sounds like the site is a bit of a wasteland? Clearing up cars and debris.
 

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You've gotta laugh at 'Dawn stealth'. Construction workers at a site between 6am-7am? Why that is preposterous!

Umm, isn't that the time they usually start work?
 

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Yes! I get woken up by the fuckers building more bloody apartments across the road at that time every day.

Good on the government though. Screw public opinion, just build the bastard. They should have the balls to do it more often.
 

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There was a meeting about the desal plant last night in Kurnell which was promoted on the radio ie 2GB.

The residents should shut the **** up, who cares if they are told about the clean up of the proposed site, too many fucking whingers in this country. A few trucks and whatnot are really not going to create too many problems for them. The area is dead as it is, so a little traffic wont hurt them. Are people too precious to realise the overall need for this plant? State Gov should just get on with the job of building it.
You don't understand what the desal plant will do. More of the natural beauty of the area will be destroyed. It already has an oil refinery and the dunes have been mined away. The seabed of Botany Bay will be affected by the pipe line which will create a big trench.

It's a white elephant and a big waste of taxpayers money. I have argued that you can recycle our waste water and promote water harvesting for half the cost. The Cronulla treatment plant can treat our sewage and put it back into the water supply for gardening and industrial use. I wonder how they can find the money given they cannot find $110 million to upgrade The Spit Bridge.

It also dimish the marine environment around Cronulla and Botany Bay, already degraded by urban development. Not good for sealife either.

I will also add by mentioning that labor polled very poorly in the Cronulla electorate at the recent state election largely due to the desal plant. I was counting the votes at the Sylvania booth and it was two liberal votes for every labor vote.

Were in for a big fight down south, and I will support it.
 

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Many people support desalination and even with the above porblems and issues they are behind it. Many people refuse to support recycled water. It is unfortunate that it will affect the area around kunell but the plant must be placed somewhere.

I don't believe with correct piping and sensible installation it will create too much of a visual or environmental difference to the area. Sections of the dune area are basically a dumping ground for waste and refuse now anyway. I love the area and it would be fantastic to return it to what it was but sometimes this is just not possible.

Sorry but I will support the desalination plant I still think it's needed, I doubt the people power in southern sydney will be enough to stop it.
 

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There is 50/50 support for the desal plant. It has divided people across the city. Remember the primary vote for labor was 40 %.

In southern Sydney, there is huge opposition particularly in the Sutherland Shire and suburbs along Botany Bay.

Also Kurnell is not as developed as other areas, and if they have to build a plant, they might as well build it in a more developed area. Why not Malabar? There is a sewage treatment plant there.

As for the dunes, since they are gone (and they have even mined the underground sand) they have been keen to refill those areas. They want to eventually use the fill to restore the area to a more natural and vegetated state.

It still wont compensate for the disappearance of the dunes. I saw puberty blues and was amazed by the amount of sand that has just disappeared in 25 years. 25 years ago, there was a huge dune north of Wanda Beach. All gone now.

There has been too much environmental neglect on the Kurnell Peninsula, thanks to poor management.
 

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The residents should shut the **** up, who cares if they are told about the clean up of the proposed site, too many fucking whingers in this country. A few trucks and whatnot are really not going to create too many problems for them. The area is dead as it is, so a little traffic wont hurt them. Are people too precious to realise the overall need for this plant? State Gov should just get on with the job of building it.
Well said! I completely agree with you.
 

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There was a meeting about the desal plant last night in Kurnell which was promoted on the radio ie 2GB.



You don't understand what the desal plant will do. More of the natural beauty of the area will be destroyed. It already has an oil refinery and the dunes have been mined away. The seabed of Botany Bay will be affected by the pipe line which will create a big trench.

It's a white elephant and a big waste of taxpayers money. I have argued that you can recycle our waste water and promote water harvesting for half the cost. The Cronulla treatment plant can treat our sewage and put it back into the water supply for gardening and industrial use. I wonder how they can find the money given they cannot find $110 million to upgrade The Spit Bridge.

It also dimish the marine environment around Cronulla and Botany Bay, already degraded by urban development. Not good for sealife either.

I will also add by mentioning that labor polled very poorly in the Cronulla electorate at the recent state election largely due to the desal plant. I was counting the votes at the Sylvania booth and it was two liberal votes for every labor vote.

Were in for a big fight down south, and I will support it.

May I refer you to this thread which talks about the environmental degredation caused by the Desal plant pumping into a sensitive environment in Perth. Desal with water recycling is the best way to source our water.
 

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I read Girlymans post in that thread that said that the impact was only confined to within 50m of the pipe pumping out the water.

But keep in mind that the Kurnell Peninsula is a very environmentally sensitive area. There are wetlands and national park nearby, not to mention sand dunes and a beach.

The other point I'd like to make is that they building this even though dams haven't fallen to 30 % capacity as yet, and would only operate at that level. It will be a white elephant when its not used. I'm hearing that the government could be required pay compensation to the owners of the desal plant if it's left idle.
 

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^^The problem in Queensland was that they waited until the dams dropped below 30% before they started building desal. Also...how far out are they releasing the brine. I know for Tugan it was over 100m out from the MSL line.
 

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It will be a white elephant when its not used. I'm hearing that the government could be required pay compensation to the owners of the desal plant if it's left idle.
That's ok, i will make sure I have really long showers and more than one a day to ensure they switch it on. :)
 

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Thats one point to me :D

Seriously Av, what will we do when the plant is not in use. If you build it, you might as well use it.

Think of the underutilised cross city tunnel and the political implications it has had. We as taxpayers end up paying the cost, and just building this plant will take alot out.

I don't know how far the brine will go from the plant. It will go into Bate Bay and not Botany Bay.
 

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I am pretty sure that this desalination plant is an investment in the future. In some ways we should be happy they are going beyond the call of duty, too often we have substandard infrastructure that doesn't meet our needs, this way we provide for the future at long last.
 
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