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http://http://www.thedaytonsproject.com/
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John Nicollet Mall
IMO , this is the best designed , most thoughtfully planned, and one of the most ambitious projects to happen on Nicollet Mall since the IDS Center was built. I've been waiting 30 years for something like this to happen. The venerable Mall is finally getting the caliber of urban development it so rightfully deserves to have along its corridor. :applause:
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Here's the photos from Mpls St. Paul Journal. Probably a good header for this thread:














Source: http://mspmag.com/shop-and-style/ali-shops/the-dayton-s-project-revealed/
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I just noticed the, "Whiting envisions anywhere from 12 to 24 “high end” stores" statement.
http://mspmag.com/shop-and-style/ali-shops/the-dayton-s-project-revealed/

Isn't it obvious that downtown MPLS isn't the location for high-end retail? It's been tried, a couple times, and hasn't worked.
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CityofLakes said:
I just noticed the, "Whiting envisions anywhere from 12 to 24 “high end” stores" statement.
http://mspmag.com/shop-and-style/ali-shops/the-dayton-s-project-revealed/

Isn't it obvious that downtown MPLS isn't the location for high-end retail? It's been tried, a couple times, and hasn't worked.
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While you are correct, this development (hopefully) will have a different vibe from anything weve seen to date along the mall. Im envisioning a Galleria type selection of designer shops and higher end restaurants, all in one place. Compare that to the darts on a dartboard of everything previously, and ideally a classier set of tenants than Gaviidae Common. With the recent increase and growing population of well-to-do downtown residents hopefully it get the type of business it needs to be successful. If it can work in Edina, I think it has the potential to work downtown.
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If they can create a vibe a bit like the CityCenterDC http://citycenterdc.com/ and get a critical mass of high-end shops (Hermes, Vuitton, etc.) I think this actually could have a shot. People go way out of their way for these places and want a nice ambiance as they walk around. I think this might actually work, even though it's mostly indoors.
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While you are correct, this development (hopefully) will have a different vibe from anything weve seen to date along the mall. Im envisioning a Galleria type selection of designer shops and higher end restaurants, all in one place. Compare that to the darts on a dartboard of everything previously, and ideally a classier set of tenants than Gaviidae Common. With the recent increase and growing population of well-to-do downtown residents hopefully it get the type of business it needs to be successful. If it can work in Edina, I think it has the potential to work downtown.
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Let's put this planned vibe into context. Actually, there were some lovely, high-end stores tried in Gaviidae 1 & 2...I recall a Graves-designed tabletop store and Burberry, too, back in the day. Then there was the spectacular Ralph Lauren store, Harold, Jackson Graves and Mark Shale...and this was before retail was challenged by online shopping. Nice idea to bring high end retail back downtown, but I'm not optimistic.
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^^Agree Dodger. Those shops were way too exclusive and expensive. IMO, the new retail on Nicollet Mall should no doubt be somewhat classy , yet focus on attracting a broader demographic range of shoppers.

I'm interested to hear what retailors some of you urban savvy bloggers on this website would like on Nicollet Mall? My list is Uniqlo, Apple, an urban REI or Midwest Mountaineering store, the return of Crate and Barrel, and a Barnes and Noble bookstore. :)
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An Apple store would be the jackpot. Once you get an Apple store, the way people perceive a retail area completely changes.
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John Nicollet Mall said:
^^Agree Dodger. Those shops were way too exclusive and expensive. IMO, the new retail on Nicollet Mall should no doubt be somewhat classy , yet focus on attracting a broader demographic range of shoppers.

I'm interested to hear what retailors some of you urban savvy bloggers on this website would like on Nicollet Mall? My list is Uniqlo, Apple, an urban REI or Midwest Mountaineering store, the return of Crate and Barrel, and a Barnes and Noble bookstore. :)
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I'll second many of these choices. I still am ticked off that Barnes & Noble closed--I went there on most of my trips back to the Twin Cities!
My list would include: Barnes & Noble, REI, Apple, Under Armour (saw one in downtown Detroit last month on the very impressive reincarnation of Woodward Blvd). I also liked the Crate & Barrel store on Nicollet Mall and would welcome their return. Perhaps some au courant women's stores like Madewell, J Crew and H&M. I always wondered if Von Maur would have an interest in downtown Mpls--they seem like a regional Nordstroms.
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Dodge7272 said:
Let's put this planned vibe into context. Actually, there were some lovely, high-end stores tried in Gaviidae 1 & 2...I recall a Graves-designed tabletop store and Burberry, too, back in the day. Then there was the spectacular Ralph Lauren store, Harold, Jackson Graves and Mark Shale...and this was before retail was challenged by online shopping. Nice idea to bring high end retail back downtown, but I'm not optimistic.
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I guess the point I was trying to make is there is a larger population downtown now than there was maybe 10-20 years ago.
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Yeah as I've said many times before a ways back, we need a flagship, multi-level Apple Store. They're always busy, and will help draw people in. There not one near by. I think the next closest would be Uptown. But our downtown would be very appropriate being the size it is, should have a special store that is a little bit of a tourist draw in itself.

I can just hear it: "ooooh look there's a cool Apple Store over there! Lets go in!"
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Need to find a way to get more resturants/Bars involved in this too. Not just the Daytons building but all along the Mall area that are open for lunch and dinner and some late night eats and drinks. I am not really a fan of the craft brews but maybe getting one of those incorporated into a remodel somewhere to help drive those hipsters who love their crafts to come down is worth exploring. Not every one wants to come down and go to the club scene.
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Construction is expected to begin next March. The office portion of the project is expected to open at the beginning of 2019, although early tenancy may start late next year. The commercial floors could open as soon as the second or third quarter of 2019.
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http://www.journalmpls.com/news/development/2017/10/daytons-building-may-once-again-be-downtowns-cultural-center/

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John Nicollet Mall
^^ This is an urbanist's dream come true! Make no mistake, this project will have a powerful transformative effect on Nicollet Mall: the likes of which we haven't seen since the IDS Center was built. :cheers:
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I'm not going to lie, this is the first somewhat exciting thing to happen in downtown Minneapolis in a while. Let's just see if this all comes to fruition as planned.
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It's absolutely gorgeous. Love the way the building opens up to the street level, inviting shoppers to walk in. Definitely need more human-scale projects like this to get people out of skyways and onto city streets.
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So has the buildings always been vacant beyond the Macy's store? I mean... why would Macy's have kept it vacant for so long and just operate the retail store? That would be like Kmart level stupidity... so It must not have been the case right?
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Are you talking about the office space?

There have been many temporary tenants on the upper floors since Target moved out waaaaaaaaay back. Dayton's offices also occupied much of the space. Macy's ran some offices out of there for a while, but I believe they have largely been unoccupied for the better part of a decade. I know they have marketed the space, but I don't know if they were asking too much or if there just wasn't any interest?
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The upper floors of Macy’s have been vacant for over a decade. I’m old enough to remember when Dayton’s had retail on 9 levels (1-8, plus lower level), plus restaurants on 12. The other floors had offices for buyers and execs.
They downsized retail in the ‘80s but increased office workers so for many years floors 6-11 were filled with employees.
In 2004, Target sold the department store division to May Company, and Minneapolis was to be home to their northern division operations, with upper floors still used for offices. But soon after Target sold to May, May Companies were bought by Macy’s, and they had no need for a northern office, so the upper floors were vacated. Macy’s did Market the upper floors to office users, but I’m not sure how much capital they were able or willing to invest in the building, so nothing ever happened.
The new owners seem to have a good track record on realizing older buildings potential. I agree that the successful reuse of this building (always Dayton’s to me) would be a tremendous boost to the downtown core! The Dayton’s building was a very significant building in establishing the image and identity of Minneapolis for multiple decades. The Mary Tyler Moore show understood this. The new owners seem to too. Hopefully they have good success with leasing office space in a fairly soft market.
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