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After being stranded at Staylbridge recently having missed me last train back to Ashton thanks to the current timetable mess, I did some research on Night Buses in Greater Manchester.

As many of you will remember there was once a pretty decent service with so many routes that it formed a helpful network and many maps were produced including one about to appear here.

Although provision dropped from every night on some routes to just weekends on most, and as recently as 2016 this poster was proudly advertising the remnants of the service, in 2018 even the web page referenced https://tfgm.com/nightbus has gone and the only route with a reasonable service is the Oxford Road/Uni one. Even this is much reduced.

This page by systemone still lists services which now no longer exist https://www.systemonetravelcards.co.uk/events/blog/which-night-buses-could-i-take-in-manchester

So what happened to our Night Buses? Why if its possible to run them in many other cities (no I dont just mean London), is so so difficult to provide that service here?

Even the Isle of Wight has Night Buses (I kid you not!)http://www.buscms.com/SouthernVectis/uploadedfiles/pdfs/2018_Summer_TT/SV_web_TT_Route_1_0318_PRESS.pdfhttp://www.buscms.com/SouthernVectis/uploadedfiles/pdfs/2018_Summer_TT/SV_web_TT_Route_3_0318_PRESS.pdf

What do we think? Campaign for reinstatement or let Uber take the profits?
 

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After being stranded at Staylbridge recently having missed me last train back to Ashton thanks to the current timetable mess, I did some research on Night Buses in Greater Manchester.



As many of you will remember there was once a pretty decent service with so many routes that it formed a helpful network and many maps were produced including one about to appear here.



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I am surprised that, especially with technology advances, some sort of taxi sharing (like an arab service taxi) hasn't become popular (someone will now point out that one has!!). I remember in the longish queues at central Manchester taxi ranks* I asked around for others going in my general direction and often found people willing to share to not only get a taxi quicker but also share costs

* I then realized the better solution was to walk down Oxford Road to around the then BBC building to grab the empty cabs coming back into town, hence why the queues at say Albert Square were so long as many taxi's were hailed before they got there!
 

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Damn how old is that?
Its from 1976 Stoppy.

I'm surprised that no-one else apart from you, me and Voldy is outraged.

Perhaps our expectations are too low?

Tell you what: take a look at these
Edinburgh - highly developed night service (map to follow), every day of the week on many routes
https://www.lothianbuses.com/our-services/nightbus/

Glasgow: decent service, weekends only, BUT: look who the operator is:
https://www.firstgroup.com/uploads/maps/Glasgow%20Nightbus%20map.pdf

Bristol and Bath: also run by First https://www.firstgroup.com/bristol-bath-and-west/plan-journey/nightbus

Liverpool: starting new services (Stagecoach involved)https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/partners-container-page/partners-home/press-releases/north-west-press-releases/new-24-hour-bus-service-launches-in-liverpool/
Also see here: https://www.merseytravel.gov.uk/getting-around/route-maps/Pages/247.aspx

West Midlands: http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/24-hours-a-day-7-days-a-week-services/

Newcastle: https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/nightbuses/


Safe and secure? With a bunch of absolutely pissed @rseholes on? Hmmm...
They have drunks and hooligans in these other cities too - but someone with more teeth seems to have kept their services running.

Sorry but the Night Bus provision in Manchester is absolutely pathetic and heads need to be hung in shame.:eek:hno:




Once you've looked at all those and thought about it, come back and tell us why Greater Manchester doesn't deserve to get some of its Nightbuses back.
 

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Being lazy and not doing my own research - what's the shape of Manchester's night bus network at the moment?

I'm surprised that Manchester can't sustain a nightbus network given the apparent strong health Nottingham's is. Both NCT and Trent Barton operate hourly (half hourly on some Trent Barton services) night services on their main routes.

NCT's single night fares carry a modest premium, but day and season tickets are valid on those. Having a night service means increased demand on the evening buses going into town, so they must thing marginal revenue covers marginal cost, even though average revenue might well be average cost when you look at the night journeys in isolation.
 

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Being lazy and not doing my own research - what's the shape of Manchester's night bus network at the moment?

I'm surprised that Manchester can't sustain a nightbus network given the apparent strong health Nottingham's is. Both NCT and Trent Barton operate hourly (half hourly on some Trent Barton services) night services on their main routes.
Its so abysmal now they don't even produce a map!
* handful of routes to or just past the University (not even sure they run out of student term)
* handful of routes on Sat night/sun morning only.
Stand to be corrected if anyone can find out more but tfgm website requires looking through each timetable individually to see whats possible. Truly crap.

NCT's single night fares carry a modest premium, but day and season tickets are valid on those. Having a night service means increased demand on the evening buses going into town, so they must thing marginal revenue covers marginal cost, even though average revenue might well be average cost when you look at the night journeys in isolation.
Yep that looks great NCT!
https://www.nctx.co.uk/timetables-tickets-maps/nightbus/
 

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Because they wernt being used anymore, the city had moved beyond nightbuses and it was no longer sustainable for a bus company to be given a tenner in subsidy to carry a passenger contributing something like £2.50 at point of use. Some of the buses were averaging only 2 passengers per service.
 

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Because they wernt being used anymore, the city had moved beyond nightbuses and it was no longer sustainable for a bus company to be given a tenner in subsidy to carry a passenger contributing something like £2.50 at point of use. Some of the buses were averaging only 2 passengers per service.
Thanks for your post Watcher but not sure that deals with the situation. Why has no other major city "moved beyond nightbuses"? In fact the reality is that if public transport is laid on, accessible, reliable, and cheap...and well marketed...the picture generally is that take-up increases.

The old adage of a service not "being used" might have just about worked in the Beeching era, but to coin your phrase, we've "moved beyond" that. If we had that as a guideline, Metrolink would never have been built, vast numbers of bus routes would be curtailed and we'd all need to buy a car.

Nope. Rarely disagree with your excellent posts Watcher, but surely the better solution is to properly invest in the service? Develop it, extend it, promote it. Make it something that people can trust and rely on. Not deliberatly whittle it down to a skeleton of its former self so that no-one even believes it still exists and hope it withers on a vine and no-one notices when you stop it. That is just piss-poor and indefensible.

If Manchester is so cool for its own boots that it has really "moved beyond" night buses, could anyone suggest how we get home for a few quid after midnight? Or are we really saying that the night-time economy and people who work in it should be penalised by exorbitant Uber and taxi fares? (thereby further killing the night time economy in the city anyway).

Surely Manchester can do better than that? Where's your vision people?

Re-instate and improve the Night-buses!
Make it best network outside London.
Think bigger and better.
 
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