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Thanks for the pics danz. I like Derby, it has some nice old buildings and the people are very friendly, but it does have some big problems. The Centre is too stretched out for it's size and the Market Place is woefully underused. Hardly anyone lives in or near the centre which means it's often deserted between 6 and 9pm. And it really suffers from having Nottingham so close. There's a lot riding on the New Westfield shopping centre. Lets hope it's a success as you Notts lads are already too big for your boots :)
 

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Yuk. I do. The first photograph is unremittingly grim. The M&S bit looks marginally less objectionable - at least there appear to be some windows (maybe even - shock, horror! - a door??). The brick covered fascia with all the shop logos on it is really horrible. It's a brick wall with some logos on it. (And, is it just me, but is that Westfield marque not the most nasty dated (buit not retro!) logo in British retail?? Horrid.)

What's horrible about all these pictures is that there doesn't appear to be anyway to get into these structures on foot. They are big impermeable masses at the heart of the city centre. We in Nottingham have our own revolting impermeable mass in the heart of our city centre too (Westfield's Broadmarsh centre) but at least the rebuild there makes some attempt to reconnect some pedestrian movement through the space.

This looks like an out of town solution transported to a city centre. Completely alien to what is, as has been pointed out in other threads, a pleasant and sometimes historic compact, market town centre.
 

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What's horrible about all these pictures is that there doesn't appear to be anyway to get into these structures on foot. They are big impermeable masses at the heart of the city centre. We in Nottingham have our own revolting impermeable mass in the heart of our city centre too (Westfield's Broadmarsh centre) but at least the rebuild there makes some attempt to reconnect some pedestrian movement through the space.
Theres a walk-in entrance on every one of those images apart from the one before last.
 

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It looks like the entrances have been added grudgingly - between brick walls, service entrys and ramps to the car park. Not very nice at all :(

I would like to think that we've moved away from this type of development in city centres - they don't look good, they don't fit in, they aren't pleasant to be around, and they attract lots of cars, but all too often they are allowed to be built.

From what i've seen, the new shopping centre (or is it centres?) in Nottingham are far better than this one, they appear to have windows and shops on the outside too - along with making some attempt to fit in.
 

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Exactly, that shopping centre in Nottingham looks good - its far more open to the surrounding area with new streets, vistas and squares, i'd still like to see some mixed use residential integrated with these shopping centres though - i think it would make the world of difference.
 

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Entrance wise...they don't seem that badly placed to me... maybe you guys arent spotting entrances because most of them are all boarded up with colourful adds.
Well, that may well be the case. I'm trying hard to find the entrance in any of the last three pictures... Maybe it's in that glass Debenhams bit???

My point is more, even in a building as ghastly as Nottingham's Victoria Centre, the Milton Street/Mansfield Road and Parliament Street facades have shops at ground level - the building is permeable and you can interact with it as a pedestrian, even if it's just to look in the windows. Compare that to the awful Glasshouse Street facade, or Collin Street for Broadmarsh. They are just blank facades. The brick built bit of that new centre is just dead to the passer-by (even if a strolling passer-by can make it over that road). It's like building a modern day Collin Street and that, to me, is pretty unforegiveable.

Meanwhile, the first picture is just awful. What the **** weer they thinking there???
 

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Exactly, that shopping centre in Nottingham looks good - its far more open to the surrounding area with new streets, vistas and squares, i'd still like to see some mixed use residential integrated with these shopping centres though - i think it would make the world of difference.
Yes, the Broadmarsh extension was originally planned to contain a nightclub and a cinema. The cinema plans were dropped pretty early. Big new nightclubs in Nottingham are now also very much out of favour with the planners and police. That does leave just shops, shops and more shops.
 

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Well, that may well be the case. I'm trying hard to find the entrance in any of the last three pictures... Maybe it's in that glass Debenhams bit???
On the debenhams bit the entrance is right where that crane is... where the brick building meets the glass one...

Guys.. its only the building in the last picture (the brick building) that has no shops at ground level. Everywhere else in the centre has shops, windowfronts, etc all on ground level. Its just There all boarded up, or haven't had shop front installed yet or just have temp white windows... its not finished yet guys... design wise its not amazing but it does (from what I saw) allow people to engage and interact with the centre at street level.

Meanwhile, the first picture is just awful. What the **** weer they thinking there???
I keep looking at it thinking the same thing??? Thats where the old centre meets the new one (which explains why it is so low)..but that grey box?? I really don't understand this...

Yes, the Broadmarsh extension was originally planned to contain a nightclub and a cinema. The cinema plans were dropped pretty early. Big new nightclubs in Nottingham are now also very much out of favour with the planners and police. That does leave just shops, shops and more shops.
I never new that? Councillors are even shady about letting the redevelopment of the Works contain a small night club (its going to be split into 4 units, restaurant gyms and some more stuff).
 
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