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people are stupid... because they never look into any issues more than glancing at the headlines and getting fanatical about what their idiot friend tells them... people like to simplify things and see a tree cut down to put up a house and therefore, development=bad

urban development is the solution to the crappy development that has destroyed the nature all around us... manny diaz is taking something that is happening that is good in so many ways, and point out one of the ways that it is good and promoting it...

but like i said, stupid people like to simplify
 

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people are stupid... because they never look into any issues more than glancing at the headlines and getting fanatical about what their idiot friend tells them... people like to simplify things and see a tree cut down to put up a house and therefore, development=bad

urban development is the solution to the crappy development that has destroyed the nature all around us... manny diaz is taking something that is happening that is good in so many ways, and point out one of the ways that it is good and promoting it...

but like i said, stupid people like to simplify
So are you saying Diaz is right or wrong? Cause if your saying that suburbs are good and Diaz is stupid, than you should explain yourself, I have not seen one good thing come from suburbs.
 

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Building up is more environmentally friendly than suburban sprawl by far. It is proven that cities like New York and others in Europe that are walkable and utilize public transit due to a high density, high-rise lifestyle, are much "greener" than suburban-oriented cities like Los Angeles and Houston which don't have any of that. Miami needs to try and work at becoming more like the European cities with a large portion of the population living in an urban setting.
Also, stopping suburban sprawl helps to save the valuable Everglades, something that must be done to preserve South Florida's natural beauty.
 

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If you look at most cities in the US that sprawl vs. most that don't you will quickly see that there is always some obstacle to outward expansion that gives people an economic incentive to build upward instead. Otherwise if a developer can buy land cheaply on the outskirts of town and find some group of people (any group) who want to live in a suburb, they will develop that land since the cheaper acquisition cost offers them better profit. So many inland cities with lots of flat land in all directions around them tend to sprawl (Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Ft. Worth, Phoenix, etc...). Where as cities that have natural obstacles like Manhattan is a reliability small island with very limited size (compared to the amount demanding to live there). Then they will build up there. And worse, the ones with sprawl don't support the density needed to build good quality, useful mass transit. And those are usually the cities that need it most.

Fortunately Miami is starting to get into this latter situation. We have already developed city to the South and North of us now. We have ocean to the East, and Everglades to the West (and not some State or Local Everglades that can be acquired by some developer who's willing to throw money at the right local politician but good old unbribable Federal land). So unless the Northwestern part of Dade (south of Miramar, North and west of Medley and Doral) starts getting developed most of the development here in Miami will start happening up.

I hate to be the one to say it but the second best thing for our mass transit down here (first being expanding it) is to do nothing to fix or widen the roads down here and keep taking parking spots away from downtown Miami. Heck every city in the US has already proven that widening roads does nothing but create bigger and longer traffic jams.
 

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Building up is more environmentally friendly than suburban sprawl by far. It is proven that cities like New York and others in Europe that are walkable and utilize public transit due to a high density, high-rise lifestyle, are much "greener" than suburban-oriented cities like Los Angeles and Houston which don't have any of that. Miami needs to try and work at becoming more like the European cities with a large portion of the population living in an urban setting.
Also, stopping suburban sprawl helps to save the valuable Everglades, something that must be done to preserve South Florida's natural beauty.
Agreed on all counts. South Florida already has MORE than enough sprawl and too much of it is bland and/or flat-out ugly.

Everything and anything that promotes density and reinvestment in the older "eastern fringe" areas of the region should be encouraged.
 

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Is there an exciting or pretty looking type of sprawl?

Believe it or not, I think the Liberty City area of Miami has some potential to eventually become a good lower-middle class neighborhood. But it needs LOTS of work and it will take many years also. However the location is not that far from the downtown area and it does have potential for density around the current stations and there are lots of empty lots for infill. At least for now thats where affordable housing for the poor should be building high density project buildings around the MLK and Brownsville stations. Just like they did for the Allapatah station. Might as well get some use out of these metrorail stations.
 

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I'm amazed that there is a conversation about this. it's a skyscraper forum...don't we all realize the compactness and density is great for human interaction, the arts, safety, commerce, community, etc, etc, etc....
 
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