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development of Columbus/Dale Mabry intersection?

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Driving by and looking at google maps, the potential seems endless for the plot of lot that could be developed on the southwest corner of W Columbus Dr and Dale Mabry. Already, on the west side of this corner plot is the Without Walls church that has gone through hell, and I believe is vacant, and the pastor tried selling the land, but it did not go through. Neighboring that, and possibly the only functioning development here is the Jerry Ulm dodge dealership. it could be worked around I guess, but in a time when more urban development is encouraged, wouldn't it be great if a car dealership were moved for an urban residential community? :) I believe the car dealership bought the closed down Circuit city, just south of it, though I believe only some of it's parking is used, and none of the run down, dilapidated building. Crazy buffet, an asian reasturant, is located next door on a small plot, and I have gone to this place many times, but it seems the quality goes down every time, and I believe the place has gone through financial problems, including a robbery, and ownership changes, within the past few years. And south of this is the empty lot previously occupied by the Green Iguana, another tiki hut place, and a hotel. The Kuhn honda dealership was supposed to move here, but was that put on hold? I haven't seen activity happening, and it was reported a few years ago. Oh please, because the last thing we need is another car dealership using up valuable property, especially at this intersection, which appears to be one of the best on Dale Mabry, located near international mall, the airport, and lots of offices (including the international center which borders this combined, large property). Going even further south, is a neighborhood (lets face it, that looks like a ghetto) and the businesses bordering Dale Mabry don't appear any different, from the Wendy's, Denny's, car wash place, pet supermarket, and more (including a place that families frown at seeing that blinking sign). Running into Spruce, this then borders a Home Depot that is barely recognizable and could use a face lift (compared to others that I have seen) and connected to that is the Nordstrom Rack, which replaced a previous Toys R Us, and more. But I certainly like the Target, which I find neat being multiple stories.

But the point? Could some ambitious developer consider making some moves? There are ones lying open on the table including the failed Church, and I think the empty plot from the supposed to be car dealership that hasn't arrived, and doesn't look like it will. That right there is a large plot of land, bordering Dale Mabry, near large office buildings, etc. Could the not so big or upscale dodge dealership move? And that corner property of vacant land if that were to happen appears to be larger than the neighboring property that contains three office buildings, including a substantial operation from PwC, upscale restaurants, and with plans for another office building, and upscale apartments. The potential could be endless, especially creating a better image on Dale Mabry, and opening more space for Westshore. Going further south seems very ambitious, even more than the already suggested, but those shacks seem out of place, and could prevent development, and the shops fronting Dale Mabry are hardly noticeable, and if so, nothing to be proud of. This would run into Spruce, which could get improvements, and make the neighboring Home Depot, etc. more appealing and noticeable.

Call me crazy, tell me I'm insane or am visioning too much, but looking at Laurel street running west from the I275 Dale Mabry intersection, and then when it runs into Lois heading north, comprised in this area is retail, a new set of apartments rising, hotels, offices, and this northeast corner could complement it greatly. Any thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated, and knowledge on the situation if any...
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For one thing, there have been rumors that Kohls may be moving into the abandoned plaza next to Kmart. Frankly, Kmart has to go, as barely anyone shops there. As for the land where the dealership was supposed to go, the city screwed that opportunity up by allowing the dealership to be built there in the first place (typical Moronic city council mentality). Otherwise there would have been a good chance of a very good mixed use development going there once the market picked up. I'm not sure what the holdup on the dealership is. I doubt it is financial problems. They want off Kennedy at all costs because they have no room to grow on Kennedy.

As much as I would like to see the dealership plan for that land be canceled and they move elsewhere, I don't think it will happen unless something drastically happens with the business. Honda doesn't seem to be going through any major drama like GM is right now.

With that said, the city must make right decisions for the other parcels, especially when it comes time for MetroRapid to move in. MetroRapid will undoubtedly help connect people to all of the retail and hotel opportunities in the area.
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According to the city, the only development potential this area has is to serve as a very prominent home to car dealerships and strip clubs.
I'm not sure what the holdup on the dealership is. I doubt it is financial problems. They want off Kennedy at all costs because they have no room to grow on Kennedy.
They're not moving from Kennedy, they're expanding from Kennedy... The Dale Mabry site will hold the body shop, service dept, and parts. I do not recall, or maybe they did not specify, if any cars would be sold at the Dale Mabry location, and if so, if it would be used cars only, or what.
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They're not moving from Kennedy, they're expanding from Kennedy... The Dale Mabry site will hold the body shop, service dept, and parts. I do not recall, or maybe they did not specify, if any cars would be sold at the Dale Mabry location, and if so, if it would be used cars only, or what.
Great Tampa! Prominent corner to service vehicles. So typical second/third class city thinking. They're already working on site development.
For one thing, there have been rumors that Kohls may be moving into the abandoned plaza next to Kmart. Frankly, Kmart has to go, as barely anyone shops there. As for the land where the dealership was supposed to go, the city screwed that opportunity up by allowing the dealership to be built there in the first place (typical Moronic city council mentality). Otherwise there would have been a good chance of a very good mixed use development going there once the market picked up. I'm not sure what the holdup on the dealership is. I doubt it is financial problems. They want off Kennedy at all costs because they have no room to grow on Kennedy.

As much as I would like to see the dealership plan for that land be canceled and they move elsewhere, I don't think it will happen unless something drastically happens with the business. Honda doesn't seem to be going through any major drama like GM is right now.

With that said, the city must make right decisions for the other parcels, especially when it comes time for MetroRapid to move in. MetroRapid will undoubtedly help connect people to all of the retail and hotel opportunities in the area.
The Kmart needs to go, just as most did a while ago. And I hope they demolish that neighboring strip mall and bring in a fresh looking Kohls. Also, looking at google street view, the isolated store on front of this bordering Columbus is vacant and run down...just like basically everything else on this property (except the remodeled Burger King :banana: and the Chilis south of this). So used to seeing this vast, empty parking lot...
They're not moving from Kennedy, they're expanding from Kennedy... The Dale Mabry site will hold the body shop, service dept, and parts. I do not recall, or maybe they did not specify, if any cars would be sold at the Dale Mabry location, and if so, if it would be used cars only, or what.
Thanks for clarifying Jason. I thought it was a move, not an expansion. Their site on Kennedy is very small for a dealership though.

Great Tampa! Prominent corner to service vehicles. So typical second/third class city thinking. They're already working on site development.
That's Tampa City Council for you. They'll approve anything that doesn't make sense. This and the Gandy Walmart are two prime examples of such.

The Kmart needs to go, just as most did a while ago. And I hope they demolish that neighboring strip mall and bring in a fresh looking Kohls. Also, looking at google street view, the isolated store on front of this bordering Columbus is vacant and run down...just like basically everything else on this property (except the remodeled Burger King :banana: and the Chilis south of this). So used to seeing this vast, empty parking lot...
I hope so too. The strip mall is completely run down and pointless to have. Plus Kmart has been dying on the vine for years now. Why they bought out Sears still baffles me. Sears USED to be decent. Thanks to Kmart, they are getting crappier and crappier. Kmart has always had that cheep and cheesy look to their stores, and the Columbus/DM store is definitely no exception.
Uh, have you guys been by that strip mall lately? The non-Kmart portion is being renovated...

Anyway, here's a relevant article about the Kohl's rumor.
Renovated or not, it's still a strip mall.
The problem isn't the developers making the strip malls, its what the average American wants. They want to drive their car and circle until they can get the absolute closest spot or get a handicap placard ( because they are lazy not handicapped ) and then speed off to a fast food joint and then try to run you off the road because your only going 5 over the speed limit. The American dream.....


Ill show you countless studies that say the same thing. This is not what people want. It is what gets built however because it is what the developer and retailer want because it maximizes their profits. It is also because our municipalities do not demand better and therefore we are left with crap.

And before you respond with your typical retort of how corporations and developers have every right to seek the most profitable avenue, let me say I agree. However it is the job of the municipality to strike a more perfect balance in regards to the development of our cities. We should absolutely demand developments that cost more to build but foster happier more vibrant communities.
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1/3 of a percent want transit? Lol

Don't people proofread stuff before they publish?
The people polled are most likely urbanites and they don't reflect the suburbanites way of living. Most people in this forum seem to be urban minded, wanting public transportation options, higher density etc.

Unfortunately, there are still a majority of 'soccer mom's' that love their SUV's and want to drive up and shop.

Urban designs don't work as well with the car and that is still what the 'Majority' of people get around, especially here in Tampa Bay.

Oh, and corporations do have the right to do what they want, I might not like it but I am not the one making the investment with my money....if the codes of the local authority allow it, the burden is on them.
Your points would be valid if we were talking about development/retrofitting of existing development in an actual suburban environment. But this particular area is one our regions more urbanized areas and should be developed as such.

Also I'm not for more regulation, I'm for smarter regulation. We should eliminate barriers to entry in the form of reduced parking minimums but shape our policy in manner that produces developments that actually follow the character of neighborhood. Dense Urban development in urban areas and vice versa.

The government has broad authority to shape policy with zoning laws, we should use it to build better communities. Not gridlock hell with vast parking craters next to big boxes. Especially in the urban core.
The people polled are most likely urbanites and they don't reflect the suburbanites way of living. Most people in this forum seem to be urban minded, wanting public transportation options, higher density etc.
The only filter was that respondents had to confirm that they had at least 2yrs of college education.

And you're absolutely correct about the urban lean of most everyone who comes to this site in general, but especially the Tampa forum.
This intersection is slated for grade separation at some point in the future. How many people want to live next to an interchange again?
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http://www.planhillsborough.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/CAC_January2014_FullAgendaPacket.pdf, page 24. There's currently a plan under study for tolled flyovers on Dale Mabry at Columbus, MLK, Sligh, Waters and Bearss. Given that Dale Mabry leads straight up to Carrollwood/Northdale/Lutz (where every lane is a Lexus lane), it's hard to see this plan falling through. It even keeps businesses happy by only sending one lane up for an intersection, tolled to discourage all but the most determined motorists from using it.

Either way, traffic volumes are only going to go up from here. With the rise of Westshore, the intersection is quickly becoming one of the worst in the Bay Area.
Clearwater ( Pinellas County) has the same problem with the parking minimums. If you travel up and down Ft Harrison in DT Clearwater, most of the buildings are empty for no other reason that you can't have a business without the required parking spaces unless its 'office'. So many places near the Pinellas Trail or dense areas around the hospital could really get some pedestrian traffic.

Why don't they let the businesses worry about the parking, it's ridiculous.
Automakers and roadbuilders lobbied hard for those laws decades ago. We as a community simply aren't thoughtful enough to stop and say, hey this policy is needlessly expensive, let's look at changing it.

Plenty of other communities already have...
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