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Devon Metro is a proposal from Devon County Council to develop the existing railway network based around Exeter into a County Wide Metro 'turn up and go' service.

Although predominantly focusing on Exeter, Plymouth would also benefit with more regular local services between Exeter and Plymouth and the proposed extension of the Tamar Valley line to Tavistock.

The next 10-15 years will be a time of rapid growth with 50% more dwellings planned for Exeter - including the new town of Cranbrook. In order for Exeter to compete with other cities in the UK and act as an economic hub for the rest of Devon and Torbay, it must have a transport system which offers high quality access to jobs, retail and leisure opportunities and the city centre.

The aim is to encourage people to use sustainable transport, such as walking, cycling and public transport instead of the
private car. There are opportunities to enhance the rail travel journey experience into Exeter which could facilitate
both economic growth and a reduction in carbon emissions.

The current situation:

Exeter is well served by rail with five train lines and eight stations. Patronage has grown above the national average – around 4% per annum over the last 10 years. On the Exmouth line for example, patronage increased by 40% between 2001 and 2009.

The success of rail travel into Exeter has led to overcrowding during peak periods on the Paignton, Barnstaple and Exmouth routes. This could affect the attractiveness of travelling by train.

With pressures on the Exeter road network there are opportunities to increase the number of areas served by rail. This would improve access to the city centre, reduce cross city car movements and connect to significant growth areas.

Rail has huge potential to offer an attractive, fast alternative to the car and was well supported in the public consultation. Rail passenger groups have said that the local rail network is “a priceless asset operating well below its potential”.



Already delivered as part of this scheme has been new stations at Cranbrook and Newcourt.

Fairly certain to happen (at least as a trial):
Okehampton Daily Services

You've got people are trying to make happen - not guaranteed but still positive:
Tavistock Extension - being delivered by developers in Tavistock although the price has risen to £60m

You've got new stations being investigated:
Okehampton Parkway
Cullumpton
Marsh Mills or Plympton
Monkerton (Exeter)
Marsh Barton (Exeter)
Edginswell (Torquay)

(Marsh Barton and Edginswell both currently on hold due to lack of funding)

New Services:
Taunton to Exeter local service (calling at Wellington (new station), Tiverton Parkway and Cullumpton)

Enhanced Services:
Exmouth Line - 4 trains per hour. Would need additional passing loops at Monkerton and Lympstone.

Pipe Dream/Wishful Thinking:
Tavistock to Okehamton 'Missing Link'.
Okehamton to Bude
Barnstaple to Braunton (light rail service)
Barnstaple to Ilfracombe (including Braunton, Woolacombe)
Newton Abbot to Heathfield (and possibly Bovey Tracey and onwards to Moretonhampstead?)
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The original Devon County Metro Briefing from 2011 is available here:

http://www.devon.gov.uk/devon_metro_briefing.pdf
What I've never understood is why they don't extend the Paignton line to Kingswear/Dartmouth. I know that stretch of line is now in private ownership of the heritage railway but with Dartmouth being a decent sized settlement and pretty isolated geographically I would think it would attract a decent patronage for regular rail services. Seems bizarre it was even cut off from the rail network in the first place really yet smaller settlements like Gunnislake retained their line.
It seemed that back with Dr Beeching, the only way for branch lines to escape the axe was for them to be also used by heavy industry.

Looking at Googlemaps, there's a major quarry just up the road from Gunnislake and I can just about make out a line which looks like the old railway line. So, I assume that was why that line was open. I don't think the quarry is still using the line - but if it was using it back during the Beeching cuts, that would be what saved that line.

Whereas Dartmouth doesn't have that - and in the 'Jetson-like optimistic' ideas of the 60s, everyone would drive in their own cars so tourists wouldn't need a train line.

Now that the Dartmouth Steam Railway is established - is there even a process for converting it back to a mainline service? What's the railhead like at Paignton? Could you have an alternative 'mainline' metro service extending the current trains that terminate at Paignton all the way to Dartmouth with the Steam Railway still running in between?
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Dartmouth has the naval training centre. I would have that would have been enough to justify it. Its probably got more to justify a station than Paignton. There are effectively two stations at Paignton, one for the mainline and one for the heritage rail but the mainline connects to the heritage rail. The line is mostly single line between Goodrington and Kingswear but there is a passing place at Churston station.
Hill Barton Station

Funny how the 'Monkerton' station (later renamed 'Hill Barton') is in Devon County Council's Local Transport Plan and Exeter's Monkerton Masterplan, but you never here anything about actually building. All the housing around there is being built now, so the station should be going in as a priority. I think some of the housebuilders are even saying it will be delivered soon in their marketing guff. Instead all there is is an empty space. Anyone got any info on if/when it's getting built?

Devon Metro is a proposal from Devon County Council to develop the existing railway network based around Exeter into a County Wide Metro 'turn up and go' service.

Although predominantly focusing on Exeter, Plymouth would also benefit with more regular local services between Exeter and Plymouth and the proposed extension of the Tamar Valley line to Tavistock.

The next 10-15 years will be a time of rapid growth with 50% more dwellings planned for Exeter - including the new town of Cranbrook. In order for Exeter to compete with other cities in the UK and act as an economic hub for the rest of Devon and Torbay, it must have a transport system which offers high quality access to jobs, retail and leisure opportunities and the city centre.

The aim is to encourage people to use sustainable transport, such as walking, cycling and public transport instead of the
private car. There are opportunities to enhance the rail travel journey experience into Exeter which could facilitate
both economic growth and a reduction in carbon emissions.

The current situation:

Exeter is well served by rail with five train lines and eight stations. Patronage has grown above the national average – around 4% per annum over the last 10 years. On the Exmouth line for example, patronage increased by 40% between 2001 and 2009.

The success of rail travel into Exeter has led to overcrowding during peak periods on the Paignton, Barnstaple and Exmouth routes. This could affect the attractiveness of travelling by train.

With pressures on the Exeter road network there are opportunities to increase the number of areas served by rail. This would improve access to the city centre, reduce cross city car movements and connect to significant growth areas.

Rail has huge potential to offer an attractive, fast alternative to the car and was well supported in the public consultation. Rail passenger groups have said that the local rail network is “a priceless asset operating well below its potential”.



Already delivered as part of this scheme has been new stations at Cranbrook and Newcourt.

Fairly certain to happen (at least as a trial):
Okehampton Daily Services

You've got people are trying to make happen - not guaranteed but still positive:
Tavistock Extension - being delivered by developers in Tavistock although the price has risen to £60m

You've got new stations being investigated:
Okehampton Parkway
Cullumpton
Marsh Mills or Plympton
Monkerton (Exeter)
Marsh Barton (Exeter)
Edginswell (Torquay)

(Marsh Barton and Edginswell both currently on hold due to lack of funding)

New Services:
Taunton to Exeter local service (calling at Wellington (new station), Tiverton Parkway and Cullumpton)

Enhanced Services:
Exmouth Line - 4 trains per hour. Would need additional passing loops at Monkerton and Lympstone.

Pipe Dream/Wishful Thinking:
Tavistock to Okehamton 'Missing Link'.
Okehamton to Bude
Barnstaple to Braunton (light rail service)
Barnstaple to Ilfracombe (including Braunton, Woolacombe)
Newton Abbot to Heathfield (and possibly Bovey Tracey and onwards to Moretonhampstead?)
Monkerton/Hill Barton is a strange one as it wasn't even included in last years bids for funding for new train stations (unlike Marsh Barton and Edginswell which were both included - but failed in their bids).

I think Devon CC is expecting the developers to contribute towards the funding for this, but as far as I can tell, there's been no demands for S109 contributions towards the new station included in any planning permission approval.

The plot immediately behind the Premier Inn hotel that a few years back had PP refused for a new regional shopping centre would be the one that would make most sense for any new plan to include the new station. The developers of the failed shopping centre scheme said at the time they'd appeal - but it's been 2 years now and there's been no further news.
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Monkerton has always struck me as a half hearted proposal with no firm policies behind its delivery. There is also another half hearted proposal for a Cranbrook East station that has been speculated of too.
And....

Here we go again..

Crosscountry trains are going to be cancelled tonight between 7.15 and 11pm past Dawlish because of Storm Brian.

http://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/trains-through-dawlish-cancelled-due-656145

Customer Advice:

The following service changes are planned:

14:07 Manchester - Paignton terminates at Exeter St Davids
11:00 Glasgow Central - Penzance will terminate at Exeter St Davids, then will restart and run at 20:03 from Newton Abbot - Penzance
13:00 Glasgow Central - Plymouth will terminate at Exeter St Davids
18:05 Manchester Piccadilly - Plymouth will terminate at Exeter St Davids
18:25 Plymouth - Birmingham New Street will terminate at Newton Abbot, then restarts from Exeter St Davids
20:14 Paignton - Birmingham New Street starts from Exeter St Davids
They don't normally close that stretch of line before a storm even reaches the shoreline do they? Seems a bit preemptive.

*Edit, sorry just noticed its the Voyager rolling stock. Makes sense now.
Really glad I finally moved. Five years of that nonsense was enough!
What's the betting on this extra £30m being found next month? Erm - probably zero....

Government urged to find £30million to cut rail journey times through Devon
http://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/government-urged-find-30million-cut-682836

£30million in next month’s Budget should be committed to cut the rail journey from Plymouth to Exeter by three minutes, Labour MP Luke Pollard told a debate in Parliament on Wedneday.

Leading a Westminster Hall debate, Mr Pollard also called on the Government to make a long-term investment to reduce journey times from Plymouth to London from three hours 30 minutes to two hours 15 minutes.

Mr Pollard, Labour MP for Plymouth Sutton and Devonport, said the Devon Banks – steep inclines between Plymouth and Exeter – were being repaired next year.

While this work is going on the track could be straightened, rails replaced and the speed limit lifted from 60mph to 75mph, cutting three minutes off the Plymouth-Exeter journey, he said, as the Plymouth Herald reports.

Torbay MP Kevin Foster referring to the vulnerable Dawlish/Teignmouth section, and said: “It’s bizarre that with some services you have to look at the weather forecast and the shipping forecast.”

Gary Streeter said successive governments had failed to give the Westcountry the investment it deserves. “It’s another slap in the face,” he said.

Mr Streeter said he was disappointed the Government was not formally responding to the 20-year plan drawn up by the Peninsula Rail Task Force.

He said the onboard connectivity was seen as even more crucial than journey times and called for the new Global System for Mobile communications – Railways to be installed on Westcountry trains. “We want this now,” he said. “We want it in 2018.”

Ben Bradshaw added: “With the storm clouds of Brexit gathering ... we’re running out of time to get meaningful investment in our infrastructure.”

He said that the line was cut at Cowley Bridge twice in the three years before the 2014 Dawlish crisis but there was still no funding allocated “We are facing another risk that the line will be flooded there.”
If they are planning on doing repair work on the line next year, it would make sense to spend a bit extra and do repairs and improvements at the same time - but then when has anyone accused the Government of making sensible decisions?
Zero chance. I also think the logic in piecemeal improvements to the line to cut journey times is pointless until the Government study recommends a preferred long term option for the South West mainline, be it radically improving the seawall at Dawlish, a tunnel through Haldon Hill or reinstating the Okehampton-Tavistock line. No point in spending £30m between Exeter-Plymouth if they are then going to pursue Okehampton-Tavistock.

Re Cowley Bridge; I thought the current River Exe flood defence improvements included improving the bit at Cowley Bridge?
It would be nice if there was an alternate "Fast" connection from Barnstaple to Tiverton. Could make Train journey times from North Devon to the rest of the country a lot quicker...
There used to be a line from Barnstaple to Taunton via South Molton that was closed by Beeching, part of the route is now used by The North Devon Link Road. Reopening that line would probably fall into the pipedream/wishful thinking bracket.
Someone recently told be about the new Hitachi services and trials. On the Bristol line there have been many problems, from the first day - the air conditioning soaking some passengers (including the Transport Minister)....And also the pantographs not reaching the overhead cables in places, resulting in re - starting the diesel motors, toilets out of order and two 5 car sets...with would you believe - trolley service (2) 1 for each set! I see problems there with attendants not turning up on one!. On the Devon banks...80 at the bottom of Hemerdon (speed limit) the engine slogging, but only reaching less than 30 at the top (So I was told).The max speed for the diesel is 100 MPH (as against 125 PLUS for the HSTs). The engines need to be different, more powerful than on the Bristol line (is it the 820 series?), but they still have to thrash up the banks! You can Google 'Hitachi 800' on Youtube and also see the not too favourable comments!
While I welcome 21st century trains, the whole problem of watching the shipping forecast, the banks and the bends - there is no easy solution or quick fix. I always favour make do and mend for now... but open the northern route first...it is cheaper & particularly for the benefit of those at Tavistock and Okehampton, who will be able to travel either way and open up a whole new rail system. I see the problems with the Hitachis and I also see all the problems with the southern route. Luke Pollard mentions straightening the track with repairs/ maintenance, - great idea, but it will cause great disruption and cost & will make little difference on the trackbed that is already there.
Sir Kenneth Grange at Paddington - a great locomotive engineer!

Class 43 Paddington. by Richard James, on Flickr
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Hopefully those are just niggly initial teething problems that they can iron out with more track time and testing. It is concerning though to hear the Hitachi's struggling on the Devon banks though.
There used to be a line from Barnstaple to Taunton via South Molton that was closed by Beeching, part of the route is now used by The North Devon Link Road. Reopening that line would probably fall into the pipedream/wishful thinking bracket.
It would just be nice if there was a train that didn't take over an hour travelling at 50mph to get to Exeter from Barnstaple, and that didn't stop at EVERY SINGLE LITTLE VILLAGE along the route...

Just a fast train to Exeter 2-3 times a day could make things so much quicker/ better connected...
I thought the majority of stations were request stops anyhow? Its only really Crediton, Eggesford and Umberleigh before Barnstaple that are not request stops.
Try commuting from Paignton to Central every week for half a decade. You'll understand the phrase 'all stops' after that! Close to 15 mins lost every morning wasted waiting for the alleged fast services to appear from Totnes....

Despite my almost PTSD like reaction to them, the turd polishing exercise on the Pacers has been okay. Still can't wait to be rid of the damn things.
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