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Just to clarify something I am a little confused about. Wellington's metro population is around 450,000. On another post it says Kapiti is not part of this metro area.
There's no official definition of "Wellington Metro area", so it's hard to say. Greater Wellington Regional Council might be the closest thing, and while that excludes Kapiti it include much of the Wairarapa. If I had to come up with my own "metro area", I'd include Kapiti up to Waikanae but not the Wairarapa, since the former has a lot of satellite or commuter towns (plus retirees, of course), while the latter, apart from a few Wellington commuters in Featherston etc, is primarily rural.
 

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Latest consent applications from WCC (Sep/Oct 2007)

Can anyone shed light on these consent applications?

Te Aro
101 Victoria Street
170064
Land Use Consent for a new building

Current site is beside the Lombard St carpark, opposite the ASB Bank shops.

Wellington Central
1 Grey Street
170347
Land Use Consent for additions and alterations to a central area building


Te Aro
22 Vivian Street
169584
Land Use Consent for a multi storey apartment building in the central area


Wellington Central
126 Lambton Quay
169571
Land Use Consent for addition to a central area building

Current site of iPayroll House. Parsons Bookshop is on the ground floor.
 

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There's no official definition of "Wellington Metro area", so it's hard to say. Greater Wellington Regional Council might be the closest thing, and while that excludes Kapiti it include much of the Wairarapa. If I had to come up with my own "metro area", I'd include Kapiti up to Waikanae but not the Wairarapa, since the former has a lot of satellite or commuter towns (plus retirees, of course), while the latter, apart from a few Wellington commuters in Featherston etc, is primarily rural.
I would agree. In the other forum I was using the words 'urban area' which from Stats New Zealand doesn't include Kapiti or the Wairarapa.I would consider the metro area to include Kapiti.
Kapiti is simply like Whangaporoa or Papakura in Auckland
 

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Oh crap... have you guys seen the front page of the dom? Looks like a pretty awful building is due to take over the parliamentary precinct. What the hell is the point of this 75% rule if we have buildings like this one which are allowed to have massing of 113%? Looks like an enormous, undetailed lump that annihilates some of the green space that is already lacking in wellington. Sigh...
 

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Oh crap... have you guys seen the front page of the dom? Looks like a pretty awful building is due to take over the parliamentary precinct. What the hell is the point of this 75% rule if we have buildings like this one which are allowed to have massing of 113%? Looks like an enormous, undetailed lump that annihilates some of the green space that is already lacking in wellington. Sigh...
No wonder the Parliamentary Services Commission is opposed to it. It comes across as a direct descendant of the Ministry of Works concrete lumps of the 1960s.
 

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Maybe they were going for consistency! But this shows exactly why you can be over-zealous with hight limits. I think most people would prefer the addition of floors to the existing buildings (even with some shadowing problems with the park and some scale issues in relation to parliament and the beehive) rather than having shorter buildings spread over every scrap of land like a fungus. I think with this kind of massing the whole thing will end up terribly imposing anyway. :eek:hno:
 

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Oh crap... have you guys seen the front page of the dom? Looks like a pretty awful building is due to take over the parliamentary precinct. What the hell is the point of this 75% rule if we have buildings like this one which are allowed to have massing of 113%? Looks like an enormous, undetailed lump that annihilates some of the green space that is already lacking in wellington. Sigh...
Scan coming soon....
 

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Oh crap... have you guys seen the front page of the dom? Looks like a pretty awful building is due to take over the parliamentary precinct. What the hell is the point of this 75% rule if we have buildings like this one which are allowed to have massing of 113%? Looks like an enormous, undetailed lump that annihilates some of the green space that is already lacking in wellington. Sigh...
Yeah, it's pretty mediocre, all right. On the other hand, the Dom is wrong to call it "monolithic" - if anything it'd have to be "polylithic", since it consists of several distinct masses rather than a single one. It's not even really "a building" but a complex of adjoining ones: something like an ordinary city block.

I don't see anything wrong with joining up the Bowen State and Charles Fergusson buildings: I just wish it was done with a bit more grace and a recognition of the curve of the street. In fact, the "green space" between them (which is fact is just a carpark and a depressing 60s concrete plaza with a bunch of straggly trees) was originally intended to be built on, and having a continuous built edge there would bring a bit of urbanity to a patchy bit of town. But the design is indeed a depressing throwback, and the squabbling between the landowner and PSC is just another example of why we urgently need an integrated approach to urban design in the Capital Precinct.
 

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That's a good point about it being a dull bit of town. I'm probably over-reacting because i get a bit frustrated when there's low design horizons on major/large buildings. Still time for improvement I guess =)
 

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Parliament to fight giant office block...

Oh crap... have you guys seen the front page of the dom? Looks like a pretty awful building is due to take over the parliamentary precinct. What the hell is the point of this 75% rule if we have buildings like this one which are allowed to have massing of 113%? Looks like an enormous, undetailed lump that annihilates some of the green space that is already lacking in wellington. Sigh...
Just like I promised ;)


 

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I really wish that the council weren't such wankers about height limits. Quality urban design my ass. We should have at least a 200m height limit. Or rather no limit at all and consider each building on a case by case basis. What are aucklands height limits like?
 

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From the DomPost 2/11/2007

I suspect this one takes after Japanese capsule hotels...

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'Shoebox' flats plan for capital
The Dominion Post | Friday, 2 November 2007



STACK 'EM HIGH: How the Columbard Wellington building could look.

A developer who specialises in "corporate crash pads" - some smaller than a prison cell - is planning a 22-storey apartment building in central Wellington.

Peter Chevin's company, Stonne Trust, has applied for resource consent to build Columbard Wellington, with 290 short-stay apartments, at 101 Victoria St. The site is now occupied by a row of shops between Lombard St and Manners Mall, behind the Manners St Post Shop.

According to the consent application, the building will have shops on the ground floor and flats above. The size of the flats is not stated.

Council urban development director Ernst Zollner said it appeared to comply with the district plan. At 75 metres tall, it was just within the area's height limit. The application was still being processed.

Mr Chevin developed the Columbard in Wyndham St, Auckland, a thin 18-storey building with 144 flats. Some are just 16 square metres - smaller than a prison cell and half the size of an average hotel room. Each has a double bed, kitchenette, bathroom, laundry and balcony. They are designed for short-stay visitors.

The building got resource consent before Auckland City Council changed its planning rules in response to concerns about "shoebox" apartments. Wellington City Council has rejected similar rules setting minimum apartment sizes.

The proposed Victoria St building is one of several high-rises planned for central Wellington, all focusing on short-stay accommodation.

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I suspect this one takes after Japanese capsule hotels...
They're not that small! When you think about it, how much space does a person need, if they're not going to spend much time at home? A decent-sized bed is less than 2m by 2m, and a compact bathroom can fit in a similar space. That's 8 sq m, so with another 8 sq m for circulation, storage, a desk and a tiny kitchenette (microwave, sink and bar fridge is all you need if you eat out most nights) you've got a 16 sq m crash pad.

Of course, for that to work it has to be very well designed, with lots of light and built-in storage, and clever multiple use of space. Some of the recent "shoeboxes" that caused controversy showed no signs of good design, and would most likely be horrible places to live. I haven't seen the Auckland Columbard ones, but they had balconies, a ground floor cafe and what looked like some well-though-out space planning. I think they've been turned into a hotel now, but a similar concept could really meet a market gap here, as long as the price is right.
 

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This means they would have to destroy those wonderful old character buildings, i hope this doesn't get consent. Wellington seems to be going down Aucklands path by destroying all it's old buildings.
 

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Luv Slender Buildings ......this one would impact on the Skyline ........:cheers:
101 Victoria St is currently occupied by Ed's Juice Bar, a couple of Asian restaurants, and a corner dairy.
 

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If those buildings on Victoria Street are going to be demolished we should at least get something classy that takes advantakge of it's corner location like the summit apartments in Thorndon. This current design could be a lot better.

Summit apartments

 

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101 Victoria St

101 Victoria St is currently occupied by Ed's Juice Bar, a couple of Asian restaurants, and a corner dairy.
Ed's has already closed, possibly in anticipation of this development. Almost exactly two years ago, the WCC were planning to do a deal on some of these buildings to build on part of the site and create an expanded park on the rest. When I wrote about that plan, I said:

"Of course, this involves a trade-off, and in this case quite a significant one. The land earmarked for the park is currently occupied by the small 1920s commercial buildings indicated in red here. While they're probably not a great loss in terms of architecture, they currently house exactly the sort of small businesses (Ed's Juice Bar, Miyabi Sushi, Siem Reap, a shoe-repair shop) that make the city more interesting, together with what are euphemistically described as "offices" above. Siem Reap is already moving to Dixon St, but the planned demolition was a surprise to some of the other tenants."​

The park deal was abandoned, but this plan may actually be less of a loss for the city than turning it into a park, since there will be retail on the ground floor of the new building. I imagine the developer would want to encourage exactly those sorts of business to return to the new tenancies, as they're a great amenity for the residents.
 
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