A continuous urban path doesn't make one a suburb of another. Philadelphia, Boston, Baltimore, and Washington are parts of a continuous urban area, but none could remotely be called suburbs of New York City.
Do you consider Hamilton a suburb of Toronto???
Yes, I know it is its own metropolitan area, but so is Oshawa. But because Oshawa is part of Toronto's media market, most people think of it as a suburb. Also even though Burlington is part of Hamilton's metro area, many people also think of it as a suburb of Toronto as well because it too is part of Toronto's media market.
I personally think Hamilton, whether they like it or not, is a suburb of Toronto. When you look at it on a map, it is essentially one massive city between Hamilton, Oshawa, and Newmarket, plus there are 2 GO bus routes and a GO train connecting Hamilton to Toronto.
I personally think Hamilton, whether they like it or not, is a suburb of Toronto. When you look at it on a map, it is essentially one massive city between Hamilton, Oshawa, and Newmarket, plus there are 2 GO bus routes and a GO train connecting Hamilton to Toronto.
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Yes, but there is much more rural between these cities than between Hamilton and Toronto. If I look at a map, I can clearly see where one city ends and another begins, no such luxury with Hamilton-Toronto.A continuous urban path doesn't make one a suburb of another. Philadelphia, Boston, Baltimore, and Washington are parts of a continuous urban area, but none could remotely be called suburbs of New York City.
Hamilton is not a suburb of Toronto.
Also, Burlington is a suburb of Hamilton, which is why it's a part of Hamilton's CMA. According to Statscan, 87% of the people who live in Burlington and Hamilton work in Hamilton's CMA.
Also, Burlington is a suburb of Hamilton, which is why it's a part of Hamilton's CMA. According to Statscan, 87% of the people who live in Burlington and Hamilton work in Hamilton's CMA.
Speaking of media markets, Hamilton has its own, and Burlington is part of that too. CH television serves Hamilton, Halton and Niagara. Even if something happens in Oakville, it's on CH News but not on City News. Advertisers also consider Burlington part of Hamilton's market. For example, signs like this can be found throughout Burlington:
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Hamilton is a metropolis within a megalopolis. A metro area within a metro area, like Philadelphia is to New York. While it appears as one city, it is very much independent of the main city in the conurbation in which it is located.
Hamilton is not a suburb of Toronto, any more than St Paul is a suburb of Minneapolis.
Hamilton is not a suburb of Toronto, any more than St Paul is a suburb of Minneapolis.
Hamilton is not a suburb but is sure is part of the golden horseshoe area.
GTA to me includes Oshawa to Aurora-Newmarket to Orangeville-Milton.
GTA to me includes Oshawa to Aurora-Newmarket to Orangeville-Milton.
Hamilton is to Toronto as Newark is to New York.
Etobicoke is to Toronto as Brooklyn is to New York.
Mississauga is to Toronto as Newark is to New York.
Hamilton is to Toronto as Hartford is to New York.
Even better is Hamilton is to Toronto as Baltimore is to Washington.
Mississauga is to Toronto as Newark is to New York.
Hamilton is to Toronto as Hartford is to New York.
Even better is Hamilton is to Toronto as Baltimore is to Washington.
To put it simply, Hamilton is part of the same urban area as Toronto, but is still independant of TO and acts as its own city.
Hamilton is an older city. It is not new like the rest of the suburban cities of Toronto.
It even has the older buildings to prove it.
Therefore it is not suburban Toronto, but it's own city.
It is easy to understand why some might feel it is suburban as times have changed since the two cities existed a long time ago when you had to take a horse and buggy between the two cities. Now we have transit and vehicles which makes it quick and easy to commute between the two places. So that almost makes it suburban, but the facts I stated above prove it is not suburban.
It even has the older buildings to prove it.
Therefore it is not suburban Toronto, but it's own city.
It is easy to understand why some might feel it is suburban as times have changed since the two cities existed a long time ago when you had to take a horse and buggy between the two cities. Now we have transit and vehicles which makes it quick and easy to commute between the two places. So that almost makes it suburban, but the facts I stated above prove it is not suburban.
Not really... there is no contiguous urban area between Hamilton and Burlington, and besides, Hamilton is on the other side of the lake.I personally think Hamilton, whether they like it or not, is a suburb of Toronto. When you look at it on a map, it is essentially one massive city between Hamilton, Oshawa, and Newmarket, plus there are 2 GO bus routes and a GO train connecting Hamilton to Toronto.
Historically, Hamilton was never a suburb of Toronto, and never really will be.
I've always thought of Hamilton and Burlington as suburbs. You just need to look at commuting patterns to see that the majority of 9-5 workers are leaving the regions to head for the big jobs in Toronto/Mississauga. The "where they work" stat that is brought up really means nothing when you consider that it includes every 15 year old kid who works at McDonalds or Wal-Mart. Realistically, how many Hamiltonians actually watch CH News? High Schools do a better job half the time when it comes to production merit, and the news stories are a joke. I remember when the leading story was about a resident who was told to stop feed the birds outside of City Hall and then they made a 10 minute story out of it with interviews from the mayor, heads of parks&rec, Doug the mayor's illigimate son, Bob the guy who cleans the urinals @ Copps.
While the older parts of Hamilton aren't suburban built, the same could be said for Oshawa, which has its own CMA too, but most would say is also say has become suburb of Toronto. It was once its own city that could hold itself, but the fact is, that it depends on so much on the Toronto CMA for its survival (not just the bail-outrs for Defasco from Queens Park) for the higher paying white and blue collar jobs, entertainment (the concerts that come to Copps are 99/100 times never heard of bands and don't bother selling out). Hamilton has become a suburb, plain and simple.
While the older parts of Hamilton aren't suburban built, the same could be said for Oshawa, which has its own CMA too, but most would say is also say has become suburb of Toronto. It was once its own city that could hold itself, but the fact is, that it depends on so much on the Toronto CMA for its survival (not just the bail-outrs for Defasco from Queens Park) for the higher paying white and blue collar jobs, entertainment (the concerts that come to Copps are 99/100 times never heard of bands and don't bother selling out). Hamilton has become a suburb, plain and simple.
Hamilton is actually a suburb of Mississauga!
Seriously though, commuting from Hamilton to Toronto is pretty tough. I just don't see the commuting patterns where "the majority of 9-5 workers are leaving the regions to head for the big jobs in Toronto/Mississauga".
Edit: for the record, Dofasco is one of the most profitable steel operations in North America, Stelco is the basketcase.
Seriously though, commuting from Hamilton to Toronto is pretty tough. I just don't see the commuting patterns where "the majority of 9-5 workers are leaving the regions to head for the big jobs in Toronto/Mississauga".
Edit: for the record, Dofasco is one of the most profitable steel operations in North America, Stelco is the basketcase.
I've seen more people move from Toronto to Hamilton and then quit the commuting to find a job closer to Hamilton then the other trend.
Hamilton is a blue-collar city and well I don't know too many blue-collar jobs in Toronto myself. I have stat that shows less than 5% of Hamiltonians commutes to Toronto.
How many suburbs do you know has it's own television station, daily newspaper and a couple of local radio news stations? Do you ever hear Hamilton on Toronto's news? Never, ever hear the Bulldogs on Toronto's sports converge? It's in the playoffs, nope never.
Hamilton was not built to feed off of Toronto unlike the GTA. Hamilton has its history, unique problems and it's independence.
Dofasco never got any bail outs from Queen's Park.
Hamilton is a blue-collar city and well I don't know too many blue-collar jobs in Toronto myself. I have stat that shows less than 5% of Hamiltonians commutes to Toronto.
How many suburbs do you know has it's own television station, daily newspaper and a couple of local radio news stations? Do you ever hear Hamilton on Toronto's news? Never, ever hear the Bulldogs on Toronto's sports converge? It's in the playoffs, nope never.
Hamilton was not built to feed off of Toronto unlike the GTA. Hamilton has its history, unique problems and it's independence.
Dofasco never got any bail outs from Queen's Park.
What it comes down to is that an already existing and established city can't be demoted from urban to suburban. Suburbs arise from rural areas specificly due to expansion of a nearby city's urban area, like Mississauga did. Urban centers that begin as separate entities might subsequently find that their urban areas have merge together, but what was once an urban center can't suddenly become suburban.
The ridiculous amalgamations notwithstanding, Hamilton grew just as fast before its urban area and Toronto's began to overlap as it has since.
The ridiculous amalgamations notwithstanding, Hamilton grew just as fast before its urban area and Toronto's began to overlap as it has since.
Not to forget it's own university (McMaster) :banana:How many suburbs do you know has it's own television station, daily newspaper and a couple of local radio news stations? Do you ever hear Hamilton on Toronto's news? Never, ever hear the Bulldogs on Toronto's sports converge? It's in the playoffs, nope never.
No...Hamilton is not a suburb of T.O ... It's an independent city like T.O and it has it's own suburbs like Stoney creek, Ancaster, Dundas and maybe Burlington...lol
Oh yea McMaster lol I wrote that well working at McMaster, jeez. There's also Redeemer University, a Christian University. Hamilton also has a College too, Mohawk, one of the biggest in Ontario. There's also Columbia International College as well.
If Hamilton is a suburb, then so is Toronto and Milton and so on......I guess they all are a part of that big city called.............Metro Horeshoe-ville or Golden-opolis
So when does Thunder Bay get in on this action? :banana:
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