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DUBAI: Burj Dubai (700m/850m) Part 23




General Information
Height: 700m to 850m (Official height held as a secret)
Floors: 160 or more
Start: March 2004
Finish: December 2008
Architect: Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM)
Developer: EMAAR Properties

"The World’s Tallest Building" going up in Dubai, EAU. The tower will be so tall the developers want to keep the tower's height a secret all the way to its official opening schedule in December 2008. The world famous architect firm SOM (Skidmore, Owings & Merrill) is behind the 465 000m² large office, residential, retail and hotel tower which is situated in the heart of Dubai, close to the exlusive Sheikh Zayed Road and close Business Bay.

When completed, it will hold the record in all four categories as recognized by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (i.e., highest structure, roof, antenna and occupied floor) and have the highest publicly accessible observation deck. The tip of the spire can be seen by a person 95 km (60 miles) away. A person in the Observation Deck can see as far away as 80 km (50 miles), which is more than twice the distance from Dubai to Al Ain. The design of the Burj Dubai is derived from the geometries of the desert flower and the patterning systems embodied in Islamic architecture. It combines these historical and cultural influences with cutting-edge technology to achieve a high-performance building which will set the new standard for development in the Middle East and become the model for the future of the city of Dubai.

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A new Supertall
The sky is no limit to Milam



Air Force, FAA objections won't fell tower project, developer says
BY DAVID MCKEE

Austin-based developer Christopher Milam is thinking big. Texas-sized big, as in erecting the tallest building in the U.S. on the former site of the Wet 'n Wild aquatic park. Virtually the entire 27-acre parcel would be consumed by the casino "podium," as envisioned by Steelman Design Group, from which will arise a 142-story spire. Modeled on Skidmore Owings & Merrill's Burj Dubai skyscraper, this obelisk will top out at 1,888 feet ... a height that is presently sticking in the craws of Nellis Air Force Base and the Federal Aviation Administration.

Despite the opposition arrayed against him, not to mention the inherent challenge of building a $4.8 billion, 5,000-unit, condo-hotel resort, Milam seems serene -- sufficiently so to balance playing with his toddler while discussing a technical challenge that might faze even a character like Howard Roark of The Fountainhead.

Given the amount of construction tied up by Project CityCenter, how long will it be before you can line up a substantial quantity of materials and labor?


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As conceived by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill and Steelman Design Group, the Las Vegas Tower's casino floor, commercial spaces and parking garage would cover almost the entirety of the former Wet 'n Wild site. Above it would rise an 1,888-foot skyscraper. At present, the tallest hotel tower on the Strip is Wynn Las Vegas, at 600 feet. The Venetian's Palazzo tower, when finished, will reach 642 feet.



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That's evolved a lot in the last six months. Projects which were going to get done didn't get done. Availability of labor and materials, while still tight, it's not a constricting issue the way people thought it was going to be. Plus the cost of commodities is falling. We're not, in the last six to nine months, seeing anything like the increases in prices -- steel, cement, glass -- that we were in the past. Which would make a lot of sense, because the heat is out of the property markets now and construction is down considerably.

What's the design concept?

It basically has three legs and it happens to be, from a structural-engineering perspective, the most efficient tall-building form. As long as you maintain a proper aspect ratio with those three legs, you can basically go as tall as you want. Burj Dubai is much taller than this building but this is considerably larger in mass.

Why did you gravitate to that particular design?

We wanted to do a tall building, which meant we had to be north of the Strip, far enough away from McCarran. Everything in Las Vegas has its 'set' and, in the past, that has been a theme: You're in Paris or Venice or Greece. We wanted to do real architecture, what we call a 'high modern,' important architectural statement. In a very basic business sense, I guess you could say that the tallness of the building is our thing. It's our hook, if you will. It's the next step beyond in the evolution of the Strip.

The underlying property is still titled to Archon. When is the sale going to close?

The option, we have until sometime in October of '07 to close. So sometime between now and then, when we are ready to start construction.

If you were to run into adversity as far as the design, would you not go through with the purchase?

No, it's a tremendous asset. There are always issues, no matter what you're doing. If you want to be successful at development, you spend the time, the effort and the money to work through the issues and come up with something that works for everyone.

As far as the height itself, Nellis AFB registers objections to the project as submitted. Also, the FAA says it's notified you of a "presumed hazard." Given those objections, how do you intend to move forward?

Those are two separate issues and we are working with both the FAA and Nellis, and have been for some months. With respect to Nellis, they have a general policy of opposing tall buildings, for obvious reasons, but it's an issue that can be resolved.

As far as the FAA is concerned, any building over 200 feet tall within a five-mile radius of McCarran is determined by regulation to be a hazard to air navigation. So every hotel on the Strip is a Part 77 obstruction, technically. That's why they issued the DNH. Everybody gets issued a DNH. We're in the middle of the process to determine if the building does present a hazard and -- if it does -- how to make it not. We have a consultant in Washington who's working directly with the FAA.

So you're taking it to the top?

No, we're actually working from the bottom up, which is the way you do it. But we haven't yet responded to the obstruction finding because we're doing our homework and then we'll respond formally to the FAA.

So is the 1,888-foot height non-negotiable?

We think that will ultimately be found to not be a hazard and that's where we wanted to be. The reason is that makes it the tallest building in the U.S. The next-tallest building is the Freedom Tower in New York, which was World Trade (Center), which is 1,776 (feet). They're locked into that number for obvious reasons. You don't build a building this tall and make it a little shorter than the one they just built. That's not a good approach to marketing, if you will.
 

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^you should have put links to previous threads. oh well
interesting about the Austin tower 575m. im starting to think 300m isnt tall anymore.
anyway here are some diagrams from previous thread









 

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good new thread at least ! wen is expected to return imre??? im missing his friday update and the several updates he was tooking of this one ^^

btw any update 4 today?
btw2 why are so expensice those flats they are so litttle!
 

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the reason why is simple.
Its the highest habitable floor!
Emporis now list Burj Dubai as 162 levels ,the 6 levels above 156 are also habitable!there offices if i can remember.
So highest habitable floor is 162 or tier 18./624m./2046ft.
great renders stephan!
What makes the levels above this floor unhabitable?

AS the building tapers, this simply isn't true, with an observation deck on the 160th floor, you would have less than half the useable space, and could not fit as many people in and would make less money. I feel the income is probably the main reason they havent decided to stick it right at the very top.
I guess they could use the concept that is something similar to the one being used at the CN Tower - there is one main observation deck, for which the fee is the standard (normal), and then there is a 2nd observation deck, some 90metres above the 1st; The 2nd deck is much much smaller than the 1st & unable to hold as many people; For this reason, you have to pay extra $$$ to get up there, and it is much more expensive, hence limiting the number of visitors.

I think something like this could work out for Burj Dubai - it works for the CN Tower - and I'm sure there are many people who would spend some extra cash, in order to go a few metres higher.
 

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There were quite a few broken pics on the second to last page of the last thread. The same ones the floorplans were posted on "bandwidth exceeded" can somebody repost them please
 

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I guess they could use the concept that is something similar to the one being used at the CN Tower - there is one main observation deck, for which the fee is the standard (normal), and then there is a 2nd observation deck, some 90metres above the 1st; The 2nd deck is much much smaller than the 1st & unable to hold as many people; For this reason, you have to pay extra $$$ to get up there, and it is much more expensive, hence limiting the number of visitors.
They use this SAME idea for both the Eiffel Tower AND Tokyo Tower. Have 2 observation platforms. A cheaper one at a lower level and a premium one (that has much less capacity) for the higher observation deck. As the higher one has a smaller floor area it makes a lot of sense to do this. I hope somebody reconsiders and puts one up near 600-700m.
 

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They use this SAME idea for both the Eiffel Tower AND Tokyo Tower. Have 2 observation platforms. A cheaper one at a lower level and a premium one (that has much less capacity) for the higher observation deck. As the higher one has a smaller floor area it makes a lot of sense to do this. I hope somebody reconsiders and puts one up near 600-700m.

I think they just might end up placing a premium Ob deck higher up, It could be the main OB deck is revealed in their plans but there still could be other smaller OB decks still.
 

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i had a question, how come they needed 30 floor's just for communication and what ever else there using it for ? and why should they put in the fastest elevators in the world with a speed of 700m/min (42.3 kmh / 26.1 mph) ? if the floor's won't be even close to being 700m occupied if you look at CULWULLA diagrams. it show's that ?
 

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Megatower, None of us know what is going to happen at the top of this building. All we can go by is the information that has come out. Culwulla has gone over all the information and made his diagram accordingly. There are not answers here to your questions about why it was designed the way it appears it has been designed, or if it really will end up the way it looks it will. I don't know if you have heard, but Emaar is very secretive about this project. None of us are going to truly know how it will end up until it happens. I would recommend patience, and to sit back and watch this project rise. Once they are done, then we can discuss the merits of what they did or did not do. Right now everything is conjecture and educated guesses, and therefore not worth getting worked up about.
 

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^^ i know:lol:, so that could mean that the last occupied floor level could be at 705m:lol: since you did say "Emaar is very secretive about this project. None of us are going to truly know how it will end up until it happens" so the people against my wish could be wrong, wow i can't wait for this tower to be done:)
 

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What are those 2 towers behind The Emaar Towers?
 
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