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Number of hotels currently in planning or recently granted for this stretch of Abbey Street. Thought it easier to group them all in one thread than leaving them in the Dublin thread.

1. Twilfit House (218 Beds) - Appealed ABP

Twilfit House, 137-140 Abbey Street Upper, 57-60 Jervis Street and 1-4 Wolfe Tone Street, Dublin 1

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The proposed development comprises of the demolition of the existing 3 storey over basement building and the construction of a new 8 storey over single basement level building to comprise a 218 no. bedroom hotel and a gym at basement and part ground floor level. The proposed hotel includes a reception, bar/restaurant/lobby area including outdoor seating area at ground floor level to the north, and back of house areas at ground floor level, ancillary hotel facilities at part of the basement level, and 218 no. bedrooms from first floor to seventh floor level. An ESB substation and switchroom will be provided at ground floor level to Wolfe Tone Street. 22 no. bicycle parking spaces are provided at ground floor level. The total gross floor area of the proposed development is 9,205sq.m, comprising 1,207sq.m for the gym and 7,998sq.m for the hotel. The proposed development includes proposed signage zones to the south elevation at ground floor level (for the gym) and to the south-east elevation at ground floor level (for the hotel), screened rooftop plant, public realm enhancement to the west side of Jervis Street and to the east side of Wolfe Tone Street, including increased footpath widths, and all associated and ancillary works

2. MotelOne (310 Beds (Reduced after DCC Further Info Request)) - Planning

1,2,3/4,5 & 6 Liffey Street Upper, Nos. 111-114 Middle Abbey Street, structures to the rear of Nos. 108-109 Middle Abbey Street, and Hotel Yard, Dublin 1

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Development of a building of 9 storeys in height (with set-backs at Ground Floor Level on the western elevation, part of the southern elevation and the northern elevation (maintaining Hotel Yard),respectively, and set-backs at Sixth to Eight Floor Levels along the southern and western elevations, respectively ), over basement, comprising hotel and retail uses. The hotel comprises 365 no. bedrooms and related ancillary hotel facilities including reception area, lobby and lounge with public bar, storage areas, administration and staff facilities, plant, waste storage area and bicycle parking area, with a total gross floor area of 11,468 sq m ( including Basement of 992 sq m ). The development also consists of the provision of a retail unit ( 268 sq m ) and substation with associated switch room (44 sq m) ( which projects into Hotel Yard on the east elevation ), both at ground floor level.
3. Hostel (88 Beds)

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The development will consist of an 88 bed space hostel development comprising: 1) The construction of a three storey extension to the rear of 38 Abbey Street Upper (including above the first floor of the existing building facing onto Abbey Cottages) and above and to the rear of 39 Abbey Street Upper; 2) The change of use of part of the ground floor and the first floor of 38 Abbey Street Upper from restaurant to hostel use 3) The change of use of the existing second, third and fourth floors of 38 Abbey Street Upper from residential to hostel use; 4) The change of use of part of the ground and the first floor of 39 Abbey Street Upper from restaurant to hostel use and; 5) all other works required to facilitate the proposed development including a new entrance and shop front on the ground floor and elevation treatment of the existing first floor of 39 Abbey Street Upper, new elevation treatment of the existing first floor of the building that fronts onto Abbey Cottages, and an enclosed plant room on the roof.
4. Hostel (560 Beds)

35/36, Abbey Street Upper and Abbey Cottages, Dublin 1

2971/17 - Granted by ABP

2954/18 - Some small changes including facade to that pictured below.



The 4,406 sq. metre scheme will include the demolition of the existing buildings on site and the construction of a nine-storey tourism hostel comprising 560 beds with dining facilities, café, bar, reception area and meeting rooms.
5. Marlet Hotel (207 Beds)/Aparthotel (269 Beds) - Planning

Nos. 31-34 Abbey Street Upper, 42-51 Great Strand Street and bounded by Byrnes Lane, Dublin 1

Looks like it includes a Lidl too.

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The proposed mixed use development at Abbey Street Upper & Great Strand Street will provide for two hotels and two retail units.

The scheme once constructed will consist of a 9 storey (with 7th and 8th floor level setback) over basement aparthotel fronting Great Strand Street, comprising 269 bedrooms with a total gross floor area of 10,951 sqm.

The proposed hotel will also be 9 storeys (with 7th and 8th floor setback) comprising 207 rooms with a total gross floor area of 7,348 sqm.

Both hotels will include related hotel/aparthotel facilities including reception areas, coffee docks, staff accommodation etc.

The 2 retail units will total 2078sqm.
 

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The reduced height hotel at 1,2,3/4,5 & 6 Liffey Street Upper, Nos. 111-114 Middle Abbey Street looks considerable better than the original proposal.

I like the marlet developments! We are lucky to have a big developer like this snapping up so much properties in dublin as they always build very high quality developments

Good idea for thread. Abbey Street may not feel like a shithole anymore after these are all finished
 

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I was confused by that too. They are, must just be two different design proposals. The second picture is the earlier one I think, as I remember the strange windows from a planning document months ago.

Also while on the subject of abbey street, what is being built on that empty plot directly west of the proposed hotel on leprechaun museum site on wolf tone square?
 

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Also while on the subject of abbey street, what is being built on that empty plot directly west of the proposed hotel on leprechaun museum site on wolf tone square?
You mean this plot? (With building in the forefront having recently been demolished).



I believe AXA Insurance who owns the office building behind, plans to extend it onto that lot.
 

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The government should up the tourist VAT rate and drop hotel tax breaks immediately. It is ridiculous that accommodation is being provided for thousands of tourists on Abbey Street in a short space of time but nothing for permanent residents of the city. DCC should also be rejecting some of these on the basis of over concentration. Hopefully some of these will be held up and get scrapped as more and more hotel rooms come on stream.
 

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The government should up the tourist VAT rate and drop hotel tax breaks immediately. It is ridiculous that accommodation is being provided for thousands of tourists on Abbey Street in a short space of time but nothing for permanent residents of the city. DCC should also be rejecting some of these on the basis of over concentration. Hopefully some of these will be held up and get scrapped as more and more hotel rooms come on stream.
Reduce tourist revenue, reduce income, not be able to afford to build social housing.

Banning hotels in these areas is not the solution. Building more density in already residential areas as well as mixing in dense residential with offices (and hotels!) is a better solution.

I wouldn't be opposed to a small city-tax for Dublin, but hotels are currently in shortage and considerably more expensive than London; so let's sort that out first.
 

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As an aside, it might just be a bad image, but I much prefer the lighter brick in the other proposals to the weird colour of the MotelOne proposal.

I have to say I disagree with the comment about height as well, I think it looked better taller and without that ridiculous set-back.
 

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Reduce tourist revenue, reduce income, not be able to afford to build social housing.
Increasing tourism VAT would likely increase revenue, the hotel operators have plenty of scope to reduce prices to offset an increase in VAT
Banning hotels in these areas is not the solution. Building more density in already residential areas as well as mixing in dense residential with offices (and hotels!) is a better solution.
It's not a ban, it's basic planning. Planning authorities should be encouraging various development types, particularly in the city centre. Right now we have huge volumes of office, hotel and student accommodation being built despite a serious shortage of residential accommodation. There is no point in delivering lots of hotels if the people required to work in these hotels can't afford to live in the city.
Not sure of the relevance or the point you're trying to make here?
Obviously if sufficient residential accommodation is provided, a significant number of hotel rooms become available to the tourist market, instead of being used to house people. Providing apartments actually helps free up hotel rooms, that's how fücked up things are here.
 
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