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Radical re-think of planning system means more high-rise developments on the horizon

High-rise developments will be allowed in more areas as councillors are to be stripped of powers setting upper limits...
The most contentious element of the plan will be a review of urban building heights by the end of the year. This will lift the cap on maximum heights to allow residential development to occur "where it makes sense".

Sources said an "arbitrary" cap of six storeys applied in Dublin, and that high-density development had failed to occur in areas such as the Docklands due to restrictive rules.

Planning regulations will be introduced setting out the context in which high-rise will be allowed.

But the minister can expect a backlash from councillors who set maximum heights as part of the development plan process, and who will state the case that their powers are being eroded.

"There's an arbitrary six-storey cap in Dublin City Council," one source said.

"We're not saying you can put high-rise on Merrion Square, but it could be appropriate in the Docklands."
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The more power taken from councillors, the better, in my view.
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I read that a few minutes and while it's good news it would appear this is going to be objected to by the Councillors :rolleyes:
Is it a full removal of heights or simply adding a few storeys to the cap already in place?
Tell you what though, Ronan and his Tara St appeal looks even better now.
Sense finally, hopefully in the interim that political pressure will be put on those not to refuse based solely on height.
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If councillors were stripped of powers regarding residential height that would be fantastic.

My first candidate would be the Connolly Station redevelopment. Everyone agrees this is a spot for tall buildings yet the residential element is only 6 storeys!

It's also probably why Ronan has not proceeded with the residential element of Spencer Dock yet, where he has pp for 6-7 storeys. If this goes through expect new planning from him in the new year.
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I scrolled down to the comments section expecting the usual NIMBYism and anti high rise nonsense.
Amazed to see the majority of comments in support of this, as a society are we finally turning a corner in regard to density and urban sprawl?
This is potentially great news. I wonder will it see existing applications resubmitted with higher buildings e.g. city block 9, IGBS etc.? This could cause delays in construction in the short term but would be totally worth it in the long term.
That's what I im hoping. Hopefully schemes that currently have pp are resubmitted. The rubbish that is proposed e etywhere in the docklands and igbs will be with us for decades. ITs now or never. Development stalled for a decade. We can wait another few months if needs be. There is fast track planning now for schemes of over 100 u it's also ... the last of the docklands and igbs are about to be built on, when those sites are gone, that's it... short of Dublin port being redeveloped and with the current densities they are building to, what is the point currently. Or I'm not even sure if this is possible, but starting to buy or cpo prime land in the city centre that is currently filled with low density mostly public housing ...
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If councillors were stripped of powers regarding residential height that would be fantastic.

My first candidate would be the Connolly Station redevelopment. Everyone agrees this is a spot for tall buildings yet the residential element is only 6 storeys!

It's also probably why Ronan has not proceeded with the residential element of Spencer Dock yet, where he has pp for 6-7 storeys. If this goes through expect new planning from him in the new year.
It's a nice looking building too so it would look great if he tripled the height of it.

This is potentially great news. I wonder will it see existing applications resubmitted with higher buildings e.g. city block 9, IGBS etc.? This could cause delays in construction in the short term but would be totally worth it in the long term.
Was thinking the same, imagine numerous planning permissions coming through for 5/6 high rises.
They wouldn't be able to reject them all and if done properly all of them could be approved.
As you mention, short term the amount of cranes wouldn't grow but once permission given you'd have more jobs sustained for longer.
A no-brainer tbh and with Brexit just under 2 years away we'd need to show to the businesses in the UK that we have the ability to host them and their workers.
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I'm still skeptical that DCC will have their planning powers taken away from them. As we've seen with the Tara Street tower, it matters not a jot if the guidelines are changed, the planners can and will use other excuses like "over-development" or "casts a shadow" or anything else they can think of, even if the building meets height guidelines.
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I'm still skeptical that DCC will have their planning powers taken away from them. As we've seen with the Tara Street tower, it matters not a jot if the guidelines are changed, the planners can and will use other excuses like "over-development" or "casts a shadow" or anything else they can think of, even if the building meets height guidelines.
They can complain, but they have no constitutional right as far as I can see and can be legislated over by the government
will have to wait for more details on this, but I would have love to have seen potential elimination of the dual aspect requirements and reduced lift cores. The head of Ires reit said that if the regulations here were the same as canada, they would be able to build apartments a lot cheaper....

http://www.independent.ie/business/...build-that-is-the-only-solution-34824730.html

an extract from the article below

"The cheapest way to build a lot of apartments quickly is to build a single block with corridors. That is impossible under current regulations though, which require at least 50pc of apartments to have two sides with windows - known as dual aspect. That, along with other requirements, needs to change, he believes. "We are in a crisis here. And a crisis calls for really looking at the situation from the ground up. It's nice to have grand statements but the reality is you have to start from the bottom.

"The reality is the economics really don't work to build right now. So it has to make economic sense and the most efficient way to build is with a long corridor.

"Our condos in Toronto are built like that. People pay millions of dollars for those apartments and the corridor is like a hotel.
"The cheapest thing to do is build a rectangle with one elevator core in the middle, and the savings are very, very significant.

"Elevator core is a major factor in costs. When you start having cores all over the place you need a lobby to service each of them so its not as grand an entrance as when you put all the lobbies together which tenants like. The real problem is the dual aspect and that has to be looked at. With the requirement of 50pc dual aspect I think there is an admission that it's okay for half the people not to have dual aspect, so it is clearly not required for everybody if that is the case.

"What it means is instead of being able to build a rectangle you have to have all kinds of angles and offshoots to make the dual aspect.
"It is a highly inefficient way of building. Compared to just going straight across. There also has to be space between the buildings so it's not a very good use of land either," he believes.

Housing minister Simon Coveney is taking submissions on the housing market, but Mr Ehrlich would like to see a working group created to that every aspect of the market can be assessed and brought together. Indeed Mr Ehrlich has met the minister on the problem."
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Great news!! Dublin could have a high rise area build up around Capital Dock. Note that this is for all five cities. This a no brainer for Cork, Dublin and Limerick but I'm not sure about the other two. People seem to love the small town vibe of Galway and Waterford recently released there plans for their docklands. It had a limit of I think 5-7 with some areas for 50m
Long overdue. Shame all we'll hear about from the meeja and loony anti-everything vested interests is "we're not Dubai, Ireland doesn't need Burj Kalifa's here when there's some much free space". Someone actually used that line earlier on 5.30 News, that we've an abundance of undeveloped land so no need to build high-rise.
Great news!! Dublin could have a high rise area build up around Capital Dock. Note that this is for all five cities. This a no brainer for Cork, Dublin and Limerick but I'm not sure about the other two. People seem to love the small town vibe of Galway and Waterford recently released there plans for their docklands. It had a limit of I think 5-7 with some areas for 50m
Galway can maintain its small town feel while building up the Docklands area surely. I don't think it will be an issue for Waterford, the economics are not there. It doesn't need high rise to satisfy demand, at least not over the next few decades. But yes would be great if it spurred high density residential in Cork and Limerick.
Great news!! Dublin could have a high rise area build up around Capital Dock. Note that this is for all five cities. This a no brainer for Cork, Dublin and Limerick but I'm not sure about the other two. People seem to love the small town vibe of Galway and Waterford recently released there plans for their docklands. It had a limit of I think 5-7 with some areas for 50m
Elimination of height restrictions doesn't mean 20+ stories will be the norm. Local authorities can easily decide on a case by case which should have been the norm already. The market will determine building heights.
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Excellent news potentially, we're obviously not suddenly going to see 40 storey towers popping up all over the city but even if it put an end to DCC's obligatory process of chopping a couple of storeys off every application it'd make a big difference in net gain of floor space.
Good news and fair play to them for taking action. However I think they should go even further, a decisive step would be for E Murphy to ask his department to look at state owned sites including those with Nama, when suitable sites are identified these should be fast tracked for development of high rise apartments, in the current climate there will be no objections from opposition parties and you would hope this would trigger private developers to follow suit.
Excellent news potentially, we're obviously not suddenly going to see 40 storey towers popping up all over the city but even if it put an end to DCC's obligatory process of chopping a couple of storeys off every application it'd make a big difference in net gain of floor space.
The real issue is DCC not even adhering to its own rules in the first place. The likes of the 88m tower for Tara St was permitted under DCC's own development plan and yet was still rejected by the Council for no rational reason.

If we had a situation where there was clear and unambiguous planning regulations in place that stated what could be built where, and the Council sticking fully to its own enacted policies we probably wouldn't have such a chronic housing shortage.

Good news and fair play to them for taking action. However I think they should go even further, a decisive step would be for E Murphy to ask his department to look at state owned sites including those with Nama, when suitable sites are identified these should be fast tracked for development of high rise apartments, in the current climate there will be no objections from opposition parties and you would hope this would trigger private developers to follow suit.

It wouldn't be political parties objecting but the usual anti-progress mob like An Taisce, the Irish Times, etc.

In any case I'm not sure getting the State involved in building high-rise residential blocks is such a good idea TBH. The private sector can perform that role.
It wouldn't be political parties objecting but the usual anti-progress mob like An Taisce, the Irish Times, etc.
You got that much right - though the State must directly build social housing as part of a multi-pronged approach to the crisis.
You got that much right - though the State must directly build social housing as part of a multi-pronged approach to the crisis.
I don't disagree. The private sector on its own cannot meet Ireland's housing needs. I just fear another Ballymun-type catastrophe if local authorities and/or the State were involved in building high-rise social housing.
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