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is that the site currently used that people have been moaning about? how much of the site will be given up to public use as is currently a restructed area etc. these are issues a private developer will need to consider and get assurances on.

The good thing is its not far from the new phases of the waterfront, it will come down to how flexible transnet will allow with the surrounding space
 

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There are definitely many questions that still need to be asked, but this is certainly one of the better, if not the best site that could have been earmarked. It's right next to the Clocktower precinct, so any development at the berth would essentially bolt directly onto the V&A itself. And it's not located too far from the canals snaking through the waterfront, so passengers could potentially disembark from the cruise liner onto a smaller vessel that would take them via canal to the V&A, their hotel, or into the city via the CTICC.

The folk over at Harbour Bridge must be holding thumbs, as I'd far rather stare at a permanent cruise terminal/cruise liner than what is currently there. This could be just what is needed to activate that section of the harbour :cheers:
 

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the V&A location causes issues namely it can't accommodate QM2 etc, so size limitation which means they will HAVE to dock at another location so CT can't support 2 points of entry. Secondly even when they can fit in (like the world in Dec), the docking and leaving causes major issues in the V&A as it steps all activity for about 90 min each way, which is a problem to the harbor.
Biggest issue for CT is E berth makes more money for the city and county by NOT having a cruise terminal there. In fact the customs house is a point on entry and has a swing bridge already
 

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^^ yup as per my post in the CT thread. sadly i expect to be attacked...

Durban has proved its need for a proper terminal. on at least 6 occassions last cruise season both MSC ships were in port at roughly the same time as each other and on 3 occassions there were 3 cruise liners in port at one time. this crunch is a total nightmare for passengers and NEEDS to be rectified.

The growing numbers sailing out of Durbs needs to be taken into consideration and currently growth will be ham-struck with no proper cruise terminal.

And as a site, i think this new site for cruising will make the process so much easier and be a big stimulus for further work in the point waterfront
 

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The below is an interesting bit out of a file from the Durban council on ushaka about Transnet.


Portnet – moving headquarters to Durban – developing a new administration block at
Cruise Liner Terminal – this bodes well for uShaka – more customers and all and all.
Presently Transnet have no funding for that


If this true, it will add scale to the office component of whatever is built as the terminal, and also explains why the tender stated build and run.

source: http://www.durban.gov.za/Resource_Centre/quotations/May 2012/Economic Impact Study for uShaka Marine World.pdf
 

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see this one was all over the mercury today... going ahead. mixed use with retail and offices expected to house Transnet. request for proposals in jan
 

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ok found the article


MONDAY DEC 24, 2012
Durban plans new cruise terminal

A world-class cruise ship terminal that is part of the Durban Point Waterfront development is being planned for the city, with the Transnet National Ports Authority set to advertise a request for development proposals by February.

The ports authority wants to establish cruise terminals in Durban and Cape Town by 2015, which will improve boarding for thousands of cruise tourism passengers who now use makeshift facilities at both ports.

The preferred site for the new Durban cruise terminal, just inside the harbour and adjacent to the Point Waterfront, is seen as ideal, because Transnet wants the facility to be integrated with the waterfront project and tourist attractions such as uShaka Marine World.

Speaking to The Mercury, Tau Morwe, chief executive of the ports authority, said: "We are looking at a dedicated cruise terminal in Durban close to the port entrance. It needs to dovetail with planned development around the Durban Point Waterfront, and ultimately needs to be sustainable."

He said Transnet envisioned retail and entertainment facilities, including cafés, pubs and restaurants, a tourism kiosk, and possibly a curio/flea market section as part of the project.

"The terminal will be operated on a seasonal basis in line with the cruise liner schedules, but to ensure an ongoing stream of income during the off season, the terminal needs to be able to double as a meeting, conference and exhibition venue," added Morwe.

According to Transnet spokeswoman Lunga Ngcobo, a maritime theme has been proposed for the cruise terminal and could incorporate historical maritime artefacts.

"It is hoped that the terminal will assist in kick-starting development in the port area and have a multiplier effect in the tourism sector, thus bringing additional income into Durban," she said.

The recent breakthrough Vetch's deal between the Durban Point Waterfront developers and water sports clubs will also see development towards the harbour's North Pier, which has been closed to the public since the harbour entrance was widened. Planned development of hotels, restaurants, shops and other facilities will mean the public can enjoy views of the harbour's entrance channel again.

Ngcobo said the development of cruise terminals in Durban and Cape Town came in response to the tremendous growth that the cruise industry had enjoyed in recent years. Cruise tourism was the fastest-growing sector in the global tourism industry, and was set for continued growth.

There has been mounting pressure from MSC Cruises, the only major cruise operator in South African waters, for a cruise terminal in Durban. The operator says the cruise industry has gone from handling 4 000 passengers two decades ago to 130 000 passengers last year. Durban accounted for more than 90 000 of these.

Morwe said the ports authority had received a good response in May to its call for expression of interest for the design, construction and operation of cruise terminal facilities in Durban and Cape Town.

"We are preparing to progress to the next stage, a public request for proposals, and hope to finalise plans by mid-2013... We can't talk about what investment we are likely to see, because that will be determined through the request-for-proposals process. The requirement is that both terminals meet the best international standards," he said.

In 2010, former ports authority boss Khomotso Phihlela told The Mercury that an integrated cruise terminal in Durban could see an investment of not less than R500 million, and possibly up to R2 billion. This would include leisure and retail components, as well as a new Transnet office block.

Stefano Vigoriti, a director at MSC Cruises, said the operator was keen to get involved in the project. With the growth of cruise tourism, the Durban terminal project needed to be prioritised and built by 2015, he said. This could see even bigger cruise liners operate fromthe port.

The Mercury
 

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Transnet to build world-class facilities at Durban harbour
MONDAY APR 22, 2013

Transnet hopes to have its new three-storey, world-class passenger terminal building and six-storey administrative building up and running by September 2016.

At a recent public meeting, representatives of independent environmental assessment practitioners Gibb said an annual increase of 5 percent in the cruise liner industry was anticipated, pointing to a need for a larger, world-class passenger terminal in Durban's port.

Sundran Thevadasan, Transnet project co-ordinator for capital projects, said he could not reveal costing since a developer had not yet been appointed for the project.

The basic assessment report says the completed site is expected to cost about R750 million and generate income of about R30m a year, excluding retail business. The development and construction phase is expected to provide a R150m employment boost.

The new terminal building will be outside the congested port cargo operation area, along AB Berth on Mahatma Gandhi (Point) Road near the port entrance channel.

This is less than 400m from uShaka Theme Park, beaches and the Point waterfront developments. It would benefit tourism at the Point, create jobs, generate income and help to raise the value of new residential complexes in the area.

The project fits well with Tourism KZN's 2050 strategic tourist framework plan and DA councillor Geoff Pullan said it could be a great opportunity for the city and tourism in the region.

If all goes according to plan, the proposed passenger terminal will able to handle 5 000 passengers and berthing for three smaller or two large ships such as the Sinfonia and Queen Mary II.

Other than routine maintenance, there will be no need for additional dredging, as AB Berth is 11m deep, which can easily accommodate ships such as the Sinfonia, whose draft is 6.8m and the Queen Mary 2, whose draft is around 10m.

The facility is expected to have a "green design" and provide parking for about 650 cars, as well as buses and taxis.

Other services include banking facilities, a foreign exchange and check-in counters, customs and excise, immigration, the SA Revenue Service and so on, as well as shops, toilets, takeaways and restaurants.

An overhead pedestrian walkway bridge is planned to cross Mahatma Gandhi Road from the passenger terminal.

The current passenger terminal in N-shed at T-jetty inside the harbour precinct is gradually being converted to a port cargo operational area.

Increased congestion there has raised health and safety concerns - another reason for relocating the passenger terminal.

N-shed, which is being used as a temporary passenger terminal facility, has been upgraded but is still inadequate. Visitors who arrive at the passenger terminal have no immediate access to business outlets such as curio shops or restaurants.

Transnet administrative staff are in three costly separate buildings near the old passenger terminal. With its business having expanded, more staff will be needed.

If the new admin building next to the planned passenger terminal goes ahead, all the admin staff could be housed under one roof.

Plans for the proposed new admin building include office space for 400 parking bays, a canteen and gymnasium.

Toyota has expressed interest in using the old facilities.

A and B berths, previously used for handling granite blocks and scrap metal, and now used for the temporary storage of containers and the import and export of vehicles, are the oldest berths in the port.

On the opposite side of Mahatma Gandhi Road is a block of historic warehouses and commercial premises. The site has been examined by Professor Brian Kearney, architectural historian and professor emeritus of architecture.

While there are no signs of heritage features above ground and few buildings on the site are more than 60 years old, Kearney said there could be heritage features or artefacts underground.

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This is good news! I suppose 3 years is not too long to wait in the grand scheme of things. I suppose construction will have to start in the next 18 months.
 

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Great to see steps moving ahead still. Buy 2016 seems too far off for this, it should be targeted sooner
I agree, this country is way to slow when it comes to this kind of thing. I mean how long have they been trying to start this already so its not just 3 years its a lot more.

I feel that Durban can pull off a world class passenger terminal. Just look at King Shaka International which was just voted best airport in the world under 5 million passengers. I think that is pretty impressive. They are capable in Durban. I just hope they get the right people on the job.

I think Durban can do a good job it just takes so flippin long to get anything going in this country!:eek:hno:
 

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These terminals vary greatly around the world, and do not always need to be massive nor super expensive (Look at the passenger terminal opposite the sydney opera house as a simple one) or the new one in Singapore (Marina Bay Cruise Centre)

Very functional spaces
 

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Companies bidding for Durban cruise ship terminal
TUESDAY JUN 11, 2013

The cruise ship division of the Mediterranean Shipping Company (MSC) in Italy is to submit a bid to build and operate the proposed cruise passenger terminal, near the Durban Point Waterfront.

The area just inside the port and adjacent to the Durban Point Waterfront development, is the preferred site for a new cruise terminal, says the Transnet National Ports Authority.

The global chief operations officer of MSC Cruises, Neil Palomba, said in an interview with The Mercury that the company was serious about being involved in the development of a modern cruise terminal in the city, its main South African "home port".

The Transnet National Ports Authority confirmed yesterday that the request for proposals for the development of cruise terminals in Durban and Cape Town would be advertised in local and international publications in the next week.

"MSC Cruises is involved in the operations of several cruise terminals around the world, particularly in Europe, and we are the second-largest shipping group in the world," Palomba said.

"We are looking to build, manage and operate the planned new Durban cruise terminal. Who better than a company with the knowledge and experience of such facilities, as well as one with major operations in South Africa, to get involved?"

MSC Cruises has been calling for years for a dedicated cruise line passenger terminal in Durban. With the boom in cruise tourism the makeshift N-shed is unsuitable, despite minor improvements by Transnet and MSC Cruises.

Access to the facility is cumbersome, with traffic bottlenecks and boom-gate access from Margaret Mngadi Avenue (Victoria Embankment).

Last year MSC Cruises alone handled more than 130 000 cruise passengers in South African waters, about 90 000 of them through Durban. It now sails two cruise ships from Durban, the MSC Sinfonia and MSC Opera, during the summer to Mozambique and other Indian Ocean destinations.

Palomba said MSC Cruises had applied to the ports authority when its "request for interest" went out last year. It was waiting for the next step.

"We have begun working with our architects on plans for a cruise terminal that will fit into the Durban Point Waterfront development," Palomba said.

"We need infrastructure in Durban to turn around two ships and 5 000 passengers in six hours. The facility will cater for all cruise ships coming to the city."

Palomba would not be drawn on what the company was willing to invest.

However, Transnet has said the facility could cost between R500 million and R2 billion.

It wants a "world-class" cruise terminal, with the preferred site being just within the harbour, next to the Durban Point Waterfront development.


Brian Molefe, group chief executive of Transnet, said the development would be advertised in an "open tender process".

It was unclear who the other bidders could be, but Transnet's port operations division could also bid.

The Mercury

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Beat me to posting this. It's very exciting that a major international cruise ship company with ships at the harbour wants to submit a design and operate the terminal. Makes me think they'll do a sterling job with the finished product as they will suffer prejudice if it's not good.
 

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Good to hear and see! MSC has an enviable rep in Europe and has been the driver of cruising in South Africa for years, so I see them as very strong candidates. Seeing such a high profile bidder bodes well and I can see them wanting to turn it around quickly, quicker than Transnets timeline of possible. Will be an interesting one to follow for the impetus it provides the cruise industry, but also the renewed drive in the point.
 

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So the bids should all be in and it will be interesting to see what MSC have proposed and who the other bidders were.

An interesting snippet is in this Transnet October update on the state of the Durban Port (slides 44 on wards)

The renders they show are clearly more conceptual one's and not ones that the bidders would have in mind, but more to see how they see the space being used...

Interesting nonetheless.

http://api.ning.com/files/-f9aSIzg7-KekBd2bjzrXZ12RbQrdyeH-6YGM-dsI7X*APcKuaxFo8WJi2KqfROhHWTZiCIHN80Z5V5kiOxhtohOCQNCsdkC/PortofDurban_Presentation_October2013r.pdf
 

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Thanks for posting that link. Here's the images. I'm sure the eventual product will look different (hopefully more iconic). I like the direct bridge link to the Point Waterfront. I hope there will be retail opportunities at the terminal (cafes, etc). The views will be fantastic and will help with financial sustainability.

I wonder who will operate the venue if it's used as a conference venue. Transnet? Transnet-City partnership? Will be good if the City gets appointed as the operator, for the venue to be utilised an ICC satellite campus. Will be an amazing setting. Will immediately add bulk to the ICC's capacity for mega events. The short distance between this venue and the ICC can easily be covered by a regular shuttle service (or People Mover buses) during major events.





 
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