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An eclectic mix of Chicago questions:

I thought it might be interesting to ask a totally eclectic mix of questions about our city that don’t warrant their own threads, but could make for some interesting, short responses. I’d be interested in seeing what you had to say about any (or all) of the following:

1. As a Chicagoan, living in a city with two wonderful waterfronts (lake and river), does it surprise you that people in other cities are choosing to move to a downtown setting without any body of water?

2. What effect will super tall buildings like Trump and Waterview have on future tall buildings in Chicago? Will they create an exceleration in the rate of growth of talls? Is the current construction thrusting us into a different era?

3. Here’s one I brought up before, but I’ll throw it back in to the mix: will Chicago ever have a second NFL team, in the AFC, based on the size of our city and the passion we have for pro-football?

4. 15 years from now, would you expect that we have both the O’Hare expansion and the building of the Peotone airport will exist?

5. Will the city ever get gambling? and, if so, to what extent?

6. let’s go back to the 15 year time interval: 15 years from now, what will Chicago’s relative position be in relationship with other US cities compared to what it is today (greater, the same, less)? and why?

7. how much true urbanization will we see in suburban Chicago in upcoming years? Will Evanston, Oak Park, and the like become totally urban and very similar to Chicago’s most popular neighborhoods, or will the fact that they are suburbia always keep them different from the city?

8. Another 15 year question: to what extent will we see the riverfront/Rive Walk developed by 2020?

9. Will these happen: a renovation of the old PO startling Congress, high rise and mall component to Union Station, light rail from Navy Pier to the west Loop metra stations, the Circle Line?

10. One last 15 year question: by 2020, will all space between Chgo and Milw be filled in?, Chgo and DeKalb?, Chgo and Kankakee?

as I said before, these are all short answer by nature. It would be great to see what you think on any or all of them
 

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An eclectic mix of Chicago questions:

I thought it might be interesting to ask a totally eclectic mix of questions about our city that don’t warrant their own threads, but could make for some interesting, short responses. I’d be interested in seeing what you had to say about any (or all) of the following:

1. As a Chicagoan, living in a city with two wonderful waterfronts (lake and river), does it surprise you that people in other cities are choosing to move to a downtown setting without any body of water?
I would say this is not true. They are moving to a palce without a body of wate rin that it's not within 3 blocks of where they live, but they still have easy access to it.

2. What effect will super tall buildings like Trump and Waterview have on future tall buildings in Chicago? Will they create an exceleration in the rate of growth of talls? Is the current construction thrusting us into a different era?
I think that Trump and Waterview will build up a huge amount of inertia for tall building in Chicago. I don't think we'll necessarily be getting more buildings that height, but maybe a few getting close.

3. Here’s one I brought up before, but I’ll throw it back in to the mix: will Chicago ever have a second NFL team, in the AFC, based on the size of our city and the passion we have for pro-football?
Not a sports guy, so I skip.

4. 15 years from now, would you expect that we have both the O’Hare expansion and the building of the Peotone airport will exist?
I expect the O'Hare expansion to exist, but I think there will be enough opposition to the Peotone airport that it'd probably be just a distant dream.

5. Will the city ever get gambling? and, if so, to what extent?
Yes. To a very limited extent. Maybe like 2 venues.

6. let’s go back to the 15 year time interval: 15 years from now, what will Chicago’s relative position be in relationship with other US cities compared to what it is today (greater, the same, less)? and why?
It will have greatly distanced itself from Houston (and the other sub-houstonites) in importance and given itself some mainstream recognition like LA, but not as much. In terms of economic importance, Chicago will remain second (after NYC).

7. how much true urbanization will we see in suburban Chicago in upcoming years? Will Evanston, Oak Park, and the like become totally urban and very similar to Chicago’s most popular neighborhoods, or will the fact that they are suburbia always keep them different from the city?
They will urbanize a bit more, but it is their "suburban" character that draws people, so we won't see it too much.

8. Another 15 year question: to what extent will we see the riverfront/Rive Walk developed by 2020?
I'm very cynical and a Jane Jacobsian, so maybe somewhat done, but the parts that are done will see no use.

9. Will these happen: a renovation of the old PO startling Congress, high rise and mall component to Union Station, light rail from Navy Pier to the west Loop metra stations, the Circle Line?
Renovation, yes. Light rail, no. Circle Line, yes.

10. One last 15 year question: by 2020, will all space between Chgo and Milw be filled in?, Chgo and DeKalb?, Chgo and Kankakee?
One can only hope.
 

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I love stuff like this :p

1. As a Chicagoan, living in a city with two wonderful waterfronts (lake and river), does it surprise you that people in other cities are choosing to move to a downtown setting without any body of water?

We're spoiled. :p I guess if i lived in suburban Atlanta id wanna move to downtown Atlanta regardless of no water frontage... Lake Michigan and the Chicago River make downtown Chicago all that much better though :)



2. What effect will super tall buildings like Trump and Waterview have on future tall buildings in Chicago? Will they create an exceleration in the rate of growth of talls? Is the current construction thrusting us into a different era?

History has shown that construction of supertalls leads to a building boom around them... ala Sears and AT&T and 311 and the accelerated growth occuring in the Southwest Loop now, as well as the mid 90s, and Aon with 2 Pru and LSE, and JHC with the N Michigan Avenue skyline. Waterview is landlocked, however, so i dont see it spurring much growth in the north Loop... except possibly in the Riverwest area. Trump could spur taller construction in western River North, which would be welcome (hopefully with good architecture). I doubt we will see any more supertalls however after this for a little while. but you never know.



3. Here’s one I brought up before, but I’ll throw it back in to the mix: will Chicago ever have a second NFL team, in the AFC, based on the size of our city and the passion we have for pro-football?

I hope so. We almost had a 2nd NBA team, but the Grizzlies decided on Memphis. Oh well. I wouldnt mind the Packers moving to Chicago. There are enough Packers fans in the metro + Milwaukee to support them. Plus, its gotta fit the Cubs vs. Sox hate... us Bears fans would absolutely HATE the Packers :)



4. 15 years from now, would you expect that we have both the O’Hare expansion and the building of the Peotone airport will exist?

O'Hare definatly, and Peotone probably will as well, but from private funds.



5. Will the city ever get gambling? and, if so, to what extent?

Hopefully, we will see a casino by McCormick place... this will help create a huge entertainment center down there, and will help link the McCormick area to the South Loop, and incorporate it into 'downtown' I dont want to see a casino in the Loop proper however, or more than one casino in the city, unless we build one by O'Hare as well...



6. let’s go back to the 15 year time interval: 15 years from now, what will Chicago’s relative position be in relationship with other US cities compared to what it is today (greater, the same, less)? and why?

Definatly greater. Our image is constantly improving from an industrial hellhole. Compare the amount of tourists we had 10 to 15 years ago with today... now imagine how many more we will be seeing. Projects like Millenium Park, and the new annual Chicago Lollapalooza fest, its only gonna get better :)



7. how much true urbanization will we see in suburban Chicago in upcoming years? Will Evanston, Oak Park, and the like become totally urban and very similar to Chicago’s most popular neighborhoods, or will the fact that they are suburbia always keep them different from the city?

Evanston and Oak Park ARE totally urban :) The older suburbs will definatly begin to build a lot more new urbanism and TOD around Metra stations. We will sadly probably continue to see crap sprawl on the fringes, but overall, we will be getting denser.


8. Another 15 year question: to what extent will we see the riverfront/Rive Walk developed by 2020?

Hopefully completed. Hopefully :p



9. Will these happen: a renovation of the old PO startling Congress, high rise and mall component to Union Station, light rail from Navy Pier to the west Loop metra stations, the Circle Line?

I HOPE they all happen. The old PO will most likely get renovated, but hopefully without much alteration of its design. Not too sure about the mall for Union Station... i could see an office complex rise out of it though at some point. I hope for the ogden avenue streetcar line to become a reality... navy pier to grand to ogden to 22nd to north riverside... but im not sure if it will materialize. the circle line absolutely NEEDS to get done. there is a good chance that is will, as well.


10. One last 15 year question: by 2020, will all space between Chgo and Milw be filled in?, Chgo and DeKalb?, Chgo and Kankakee?

Chicago and Milwaukee is already filled along the lake, and it will be beefed up by 2020, to the point where we can be almost one combined metro.
DeKalb if we extend Metra there, yes. Kankakee? sure, why not.
 

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speculations on questions

Great series of questions...

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1. As a Chicagoan, living in a city with two wonderful waterfronts (lake and river), does it surprise you that people in other cities are choosing to move to a downtown setting without any body of water? [/B]
What is the primary motivation for moving downtown for so many new yuppies? Whenever I read interviews of new residents in Crain's and elsewhere, they often mention the amenities -- museums and restaurants. I'm not sure. It may be more about a certain kind of identity they have or want to build. For some, it may make them feel younger, hipper, and less domesticated. All of this can be accomplished with or without waterfront of course.

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2. What effect will super tall buildings like Trump and Waterview have on future tall buildings in Chicago? Will they create an exceleration in the rate of growth of talls? Is the current construction thrusting us into a different era?
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I respectfully disagree with Rivernorth -- I don't think the very existence of supertalls promotes further development. The fact that other development tends to cluster in time with the construction of supertalls, in my opinion, has more to do with the underlying market dynamics at a particular point in time, than the buldings themselves. The buildings themselves are evidence of the boom rather than (necessarily) promoters of it. I think the super-luxury market would be saturated following the construction of Trump Tower and Waterview Tower.

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3. Here’s one I brought up before, but I’ll throw it back in to the mix: will Chicago ever have a second NFL team, in the AFC, based on the size of our city and the passion we have for pro-football? [/B]
I don't know anything about sports, but my uninformed opinion is that the competition among cities that don't have pro-football teams would be so fierce as to make it difficult for a city like Chicago, that already has one, to obtain another. This is especially true if the team expects the state or city to chip in for a new stadium for it. Given that the state has spent $100s of millions revamping Soldier Field, I wouldn't think there's an appetite for more money for an additional football stadium.

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4. 15 years from now, would you expect that we have both the O’Hare expansion and the building of the Peotone airport will exist? [/B]
In general it would seem that state and city political leaders have little control over the economic growth and vitality of the region. The biggest exception to this rule may be decisionmaking and budget allocation for airport construction and expansion. Despite the fact that these processes are moving at a snail's pace, I anticipate that O'Hare expansion and Peotone will become realities. There is support from powerful players behind them. Barack Obama, for example, supports both the expansion of O'Hare and the construction of Peotone. The FAA seems to agree with the city that O'Hare requires expansion. The only major opposition is from NIMBYs, who are unfortunately powerful, but will ultimately fail, I think.

edsg25 said:
5. Will the city ever get gambling? and, if so, to what extent? [/B]
I don't think so given that Daley has not made this a priority. I think its too bad.

edsg25 said:
6. let’s go back to the 15 year time interval: 15 years from now, what will Chicago’s relative position be in relationship with other US cities compared to what it is today (greater, the same, less)? and why?
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Its undeniable that Chicago's reputation has improved dramatically over the last twenty years, and the tourist trade has climbed in tandem. The resurgence of Chicago as an attractive place to work and play has paralleled the resurgence of urban centers across the nation. Its hard to tell whether Chicago's relative position will improve relative to other cities, since so many cities have improved and continue to do so. (Boston, NYC, and other cities also are experiencing a condominium boom.)

Its very difficult to predict whether Chicago's business climate will warm or cool over the next 15 years. Much seems to depend on the financial services industry. That is, can the MERC, CBOT, and CBT maintain their positions, decline or grow as stock and options trading is revolutionized by new e-commerce technologies and consolidation that capitalizes on these? Who can say? Will the next generation futures trading businesses be located in Chicago? So far it seems the answer is partially yes -- businesses like Trading Technologies, the now NYSE-owned Archipelago, the North American HQ of Eurex, and the ecommerce exchange platform Transora all chose to Chicago.



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7. how much true urbanization will we see in suburban Chicago in upcoming years? Will Evanston, Oak Park, and the like become totally urban and very similar to Chicago’s most popular neighborhoods, or will the fact that they are suburbia always keep them different from the city?[/B]
I see two competing forces here. The downtowns of Evanston and Oak Park could become increasingly desirable as more urban-minded young people who settled in the city start to have school-age children and demand good quality schools. Those folks may be wary of moving to suburbs farther out, given that they are accustomed to short commute times, and prefer urban style living. Nonetheless, they will demand good quality schools for their kids. One would think that as the numbers of these people increase, there will be tremendous pressure on land values in Evanston and Oak Park, prompting further mid- and high-rise construction in their downtowns.

But we cannot underestimate the strong suburban mindsets of many people in these towns with ow-density preferences who have much more power than SOAR does vis-a-vis their municipal governments. How many Evanstonians envision Evanston's downtown morphing into a miniature Gold Coast? Very few, I would think. I see continued conflict over high-rise construction for many years to come in these suburbs. Highrises will get built, but only after years of tangling and downsizing.
 

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1. As a Chicagoan, living in a city with two wonderful waterfronts (lake and river), does it surprise you that people in other cities are choosing to move to a downtown setting without any body of water?
i don't understand it, but then, i've always lived in a water city. it's probably just an issue of perspective.




2. What effect will super tall buildings like Trump and Waterview have on future tall buildings in Chicago? Will they create an exceleration in the rate of growth of talls? Is the current construction thrusting us into a different era?
no, i don't see a different era, but i think the increased desire for downtown condos has changed the equation in how tall our loop buildings will be. remeber, if you use the strictest definition of "the loop" (within the tracks) only 1 of chicago's 10 tallest structures lies within that ring (bank one). i see that changing in the coming decade.




3. Here’s one I brought up before, but I’ll throw it back in to the mix: will Chicago ever have a second NFL team, in the AFC, based on the size of our city and the passion we have for pro-football?
no, i don't see that happening. this is bears country and i'd hate to see our citizenry further divided like with the cubs/sox thing.




4. 15 years from now, would you expect that we have both the O’Hare expansion and the building of the Peotone airport will exist?
i see ohare expansion happening. i hope to god peotone dies, and i'd like to see a much increased regional airport role for gary.




5. Will the city ever get gambling? and, if so, to what extent?
yes, there will be gambling in the windy city. my best bet would be mccormick east.




6. let’s go back to the 15 year time interval: 15 years from now, what will Chicago’s relative position be in relationship with other US cities compared to what it is today (greater, the same, less)? and why?
probably about the same.




7. how much true urbanization will we see in suburban Chicago in upcoming years? Will Evanston, Oak Park, and the like become totally urban and very similar to Chicago’s most popular neighborhoods, or will the fact that they are suburbia always keep them different from the city?
some suburbs will urbanize, as we've seen with downtown evanston, but the city/suburb divide will still be very much entrenched in the psychology of chicagoland. if you dont get to vote for daley, then you'll always be a seperate deal from the city to some degree. that fact will never change.




8. Another 15 year question: to what extent will we see the riverfront/Rive Walk developed by 2020?
the pessimist in me says "yeah right". we'll see though. i ain't holding my breath.




9. Will these happen: a renovation of the old PO startling Congress, high rise and mall component to Union Station, light rail from Navy Pier to the west Loop metra stations, the Circle Line?
PO - probably
union station - nah
NP light rail - outlook not so good
circle line- 50/50




10. One last 15 year question: by 2020, will all space between Chgo and Milw be filled in?, Chgo and DeKalb?, Chgo and Kankakee?
i dearly hope none of those situations come to fruition, but americans do love their crappy sprawl. "3 cheers for craptacular built enviroments! hey look everyone, the choices we've made in how we live inidcate how little we care about living in a shit-hole".
 
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