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So the much needed electrification of routes out of Manchester will after all take place, despite the Spending Review, though there is some anger that the time for the work has been extended so that it won't be finished until 2016 at the earliest.

More details here:

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/transport/public_transport/s/1375312_trains_to_get_more_carriages_in_rail_boost
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/11/25/liverpool-manchester-railway-electrification-to-finish-by-2016-three-years-late-100252-27715777/
http://www.madeinpreston.co.uk/wp/2009/12/14/manchester-preston-blackpool-electrification/

There's also a generic SSC Rail Electrification thread here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1016189&highlight=electrification

But with both Crossrail and Thameslink now fully committed to, what do forummers think about the balance of where rail investment money is going?

Should the North West be counting its blessings to get any money at all?
:cheers:

Or is infrastructure investment still too heavily skewed to the South East?
:bash:

And what's happening with that proposed "Northern Hub" at Piccadilly?
:nuts:
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http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2010-11-11a.23464.h

And what's happening with that proposed "Northern Hub" at Piccadilly?
Network Rail is developing the Northern Hub plans and will complete the next stage in spring 2011. We then expect Network Rail to include the Northern Hub in its initial strategic business plan.

This will enable us to consider in 2012 whether a Northern Hub scheme can be funded and what progress can be made on the project during the next Network Rail control period (2014-15 to 2019-20).
(Almost) anything is better than a Northern 150! The FCC 319s are ok, but personally I think the SWT 455s have been very well refurbished, with the thin-backed Siemens seating similar to that on the TPE 185s. They have also opened up the door vestibules to allow much easier access (as well as more room for people to crush...)
Just to give people an idea of them. I think they sound quite amazing and so am looking forward to seeing them around :)
Yes.
Are these Manchester - Scotland services still planned to be rerouted via Eccles and Wigan just out of curiosity?
If you are going to use three-letter codes, please use them consistently. I'm guessing LPL means Liverpool (but Lime St is LIV, LPL is the airline code for Liverpool Airport) and MAN Manchester (Piccadilly is MAN, but trains may well go to MCV as Slip has already pointed out!).

Better still, why not use the full names, I can see it being less confusing for a lot of readers. :)
I had an idea they weren`t going to electrify the MAN-LPL routes just for this service, this is a multi million pound investment, I think we will see trains triple on these lines, the ECC proposal is intetesting. There is no doubt this line is going to become a major pathway into MAN
There's no need to, you will be able to get from Mcr to Wigan under wires via Chat Moss.
Yes, but not as many. There's no guarantee the current services will still be running after electrification as the new 'northern' franchise (with a small n to distinguish from the train co.) will be in place by then.
Yeah you're right. I just can't see them putting wires up the whole way to Hull and Middlesbrough as that is at least 2 or 3 x what they announced yesterday.

Without it though the TPX service just wouldn't work, or you're still running diesels under wires.
No they don't. They go from Salford Crescent to the shopping centre then past the Langworthy tram stop.

Reinstating Cross Lane station (it closed in the 1950s) would be extremely awkward as the line is under the subway between the M602 and Regent Road.
How about a station at Cross Lane? Don't the QuaysLink buses run past there?
What does that mean in non-railway speak? Is it the spacing between tracks?
Yes, the "steam" layout probably had three sixfoots, whereas today you could only have two and a tenfoot. This probably isn't possible at the north end of Bolton, through the tunnels.
I'm beginning to think some people are never satisfied. Can we get the currently promised projects finished before insisting that additional ones are done? Over-extending the project scope (and cost) often means nothing gets done in the end.
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