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So the much needed electrification of routes out of Manchester will after all take place, despite the Spending Review, though there is some anger that the time for the work has been extended so that it won't be finished until 2016 at the earliest.

More details here:

There's also a generic SSC Rail Electrification thread here:

But with both Crossrail and Thameslink now fully committed to, what do forummers think about the balance of where rail investment money is going?

Should the North West be counting its blessings to get any money at all?

Or is infrastructure investment still too heavily skewed to the South East?

And what's happening with that proposed "Northern Hub" at Piccadilly?
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Lot of disruption to come...

Engineering work in relation to the electrification of the Manchester / Wigan – Liverpool route has commenced and will continue throughout 2012.

A series of overnight possessions for constructing masts and overhead wiring are currently occurring and from December 2011 late evening/early morning trains (between 2215 and 0530) have been replaced by buses between Manchester Victoria and Earlestown/Liverpool each Sunday to Thursday night; this will continue until 13 May 2012. Arriva Trains Wales services between Manchester Piccadilly and Chester are also replaced by buses between Manchester and Warrington Bank Quay.

At weekends between 18 February and 25 March 2012, structures work will be taking place between Manchester / Wigan and Edge Hill. On Saturdays, buses will replace trains between Liverpool and Earlestown and between Liverpool and Wigan North Western. On Sundays, services between Liverpool and Wigan North Western and between Liverpool and Manchester Oxford Road will be replaced by buses.

Structures work will also take place between Wigan and Huyton on Saturdays and Sundays from 31st March to 19th May 2012 inclusive (with the exception of Saturday 14th and Sunday 15th April when the line will be open for the Grand National).

From 20th May 2012 onwards, late evening trains between Manchester and Liverpool via the Chat Moss route, and between Wigan and Liverpool, will be replaced by buses each Sunday to Thursday night.

There will be further possession in 2013 for testing and commissioning of the first phase of the North West electrification scheme (between Manchester and Newton-le-Willows).
Stalybridge Remodelling

Work to remodel the layout of Stalybridge will commence from 26 March 2012, with the closure of the bay platform. Services which normally terminate and start at Stalybridge
will be amended until completion of the remodelling in work in November. Some services will be re-timed, others will start from Manchester Victoria.
There will also be a series of Sunday closures, from 1 April to 24 June inclusive, and from 16 September to 9 December inclusive. Northern Rail services between
Stalybridge and Manchester will be replaced by buses. Services operated by Transpennine Express will be diverted via the Calder Valley route.
The work at Stalybridge will culminate in a blockade from Saturday 27 October until Sunday 4 November inclusive, where a full service replacement plan will be in place.
Details of this will be provided in a future report to this Committee.

The remodelling at Stalybridge will provide a new through platform, and a new bay platform for terminating services from Manchester Victoria.
Rochdale Area Resignalling
Work associated with the resignalling of the Rochdale and Castleton area will result in replacement buses services operating between Manchester Victoria and Hebden Bridge
on Sundays 19 and 26 February, and replacement bus services between Manchester Victoria and Todmorden on Sundays 4 and 11 March.
This work is primarily at Thorpes Bridge Junction to complete the severance of the Oldham Loop from the mainline, leaving just single line access. There is a requirement
for a two day commissioning possession, the date of which is yet to be confirmed, but is likely to be during the winter of 2012/13.
Other work is being carried out during the possessions including tunnel work east of Rochdale.
Its going to start work on the Great Western next year.
The LM ones would be delivered after the TPE ones.
They will have large luggage areas, trolley so no hot food. They should be able to cope for the next decade because half the current users are just going to Salford or Bolton.
They will start in Dec 13 timetable change but not be fully in service till the May timetable change. That happens quite a lot and is the main reason why theres a second annual timetable change 4 months after the first one so rolling stock can be gradually switched over, adjustments made to something not working or to allow for projects running late.
Yes I think it was mainly refering to the proposed passing loops in Hope Valley/Bolton.
The southern cross pennine route, Manchester to Southport, Manchester to Kirkby, Atherton.
Loads more really, manc>clithereoe, todd curve route, manc>buxton, clc route, preston>colne and more.
I was limiting it to local lines within the county
Well at Birmingham they are being forced to take over ticket checking and I believe I saw a plan somewhere by the Government for gating all the Virgin run stations.
I thought they were upgrading it from 10-15mph to 25-40mph (memorys foggy on exact numbers).
I did see something about modestly raising the line speed of Golborne Junction and also significantly raising the junction speed on the Liverpool side I dont remember the name (Huyton?).
Also from what ive been told the Scottish diversion via Wigan was initially planned to be temporary but is now considered to be permanent, the service and speed improvements alongside better long distance loading (avoiding Bolton passengers) is considered to be more efficent. This creates a path through Bolton for Northern to use and while it is a service reduction for Bolton in the short term they believe the removal of Wigan passengers from Wigan-Manchester via Bolton will help the Manchester-Bolton crowding problems and produce more even loading on the Scotland services.
Mmm checked, considered but didnt make option 1 or 2 as part of Northern Hub but going ahead as part of electrification.
Siemens has just won a £5m contract to build two substations for phase 1 at Newton Le Willows and Ordsall Lane junctions over a period of 77 weeks.
For the later phases ive heard there will be a new National Grid connection at Lostock (phase 1 will use existing WCML/Piccadilly national grid connections) and a substation at Stalybridge. No idea on exact placements
Because they are a much later scheme, not part of the Lancashire Triangle electrification project.
As expected the work on the TPE will be in the 2016-2020 timeframe after the Lancashire finishes,
Ive seen a photo diary on flickr, to be honest if you didnt know the station before you cant tell what the differences are.
Sorry no, not one of the sites I regularly visit.
Electrification of Blackpool stretch put back 6 months, more alterations to structures than expected and theyve decided to do some track improvements at the same time.
Magazine said they were altering some junction layouts, not just raising linespeed.
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