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Exactly. If it's not serving the city's best interests do one. We don't have to tolerate them. It would look really bad for them to lose Liverpool not the other way around.
I have always supported Liverpool having UNESCO status + it should have been a massive boost but something has gone badly wrong in its management + concept for the worst. Sorry to say...
 

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Maybe it's the bug crunch time 🤔


Someone might just have to say 'Goodbye UNESCO' It was fun whilst it lasted...
they can seriously go and 'do one ' . the jumped up set of friggin 'do gooders' . Eff off .
 

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I have always supported Liverpool having UNESCO status + it should have been a massive boost but something has gone badly wrong in its management + concept for the worst. Sorry to say...
It must run into thousands of floors knocked off buildings because of them. We have seen entire projects stall and developers pull out completely due to WHS. Its time we stopped letting these idiots hold us hostage all for a plaque on the wall.
 

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What irks me the most is who are these people coming up with these statements and why do they have a right to tell us what is best for our city. Anyone with half a brain cell knows this is a necessity to give the North of Liverpool a boost it desperately needs, even more so with what has happened over the past year.
 

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Dan Meis and Everton seem to have bent over backwards for EH, VS and Unesco and they are still moaning, how can anyone think a dock that has no puclic access is more beneficial to a City than a Stadium which opens up the area?
I would send the certificate or plaque whatever it is back to Unesco and say thanks but no thanks.
 

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Dan Meis and Everton seem to have bent over backwards for EH, VS and Unesco and they are still moaning, how can anyone think a dock that has no puclic access is more beneficial to a City than a Stadium which opens up the area?
I would send the certificate or plaque whatever it is back to Unesco and say thanks but no thanks.
I count agree more. the city is not a museum piece. Much has been done at great cost to appease the heritage brigade at this stage now they just need to be told to job on.
 

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Maritime Greenwich too- another WHS in London with Skyscrapers looming all over it. Palace of Westminster WHS, they were allowed to stick the London Eye up right opposite it, no? Total hypocrisy.

London just follows a different set of rules where UNESCO is concerned, unfortunately. Time to ditch them. For a while it was a nice feather in the cap, but now the people of Liverpool should say thanks, but no thanks.
Yes. Nobody has been able to present any facts or data in support or retaining this title, it's just literally become sacrosanct to those who enjoy attacking development for reasons that are probably nothing to do with heritage really and all to do with a fear of change and a loathing of capitalism.
 

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If having World Heritage Status meant that the city had been spared from ugly and inappropriate developments, such as the Shankly hotel extension ( WHS buffer zone); the Lime Street redevelopment ; blocking the zip wire proposal ( WHS site - not a peep!) then it might have shown itself worthwhile; but instead it seeks to block worthwhile proposals in abandoned and derelict spaces.
 

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If having World Heritage Status meant that the city had been spared from ugly and inappropriate developments, such as the Shankly hotel extension ( WHS buffer zone); the Lime Street redevelopment ; blocking the zip wire proposal ( WHS site - not a peep!) then it might have shown itself worthwhile; but instead it seeks to block worthwhile proposals in abandoned and derelict spaces.
Exactly. When the local cowboys are wrecking the place and real heritage is collapsing these clowns are now where to be seen. When we want to build key infrastructure that is measured and vital to the city's economy and ongoing revival not only do we have the local lunatics but they are then emboldened by the same organisations based elsewhere who invariably oppose anything the city tries to build.

This is not normal and needs to be looked into, or quite simply we remove Historic England and UNESCO from any of the city's planning processes. Do you think Manchester would suffer this? not likely.
 

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I count agree more. the city is not a museum piece. Much has been done at great cost to appease the heritage brigade at this stage now they just need to be told to job on.
Even the museum piece argument is flawed as these disingenuous organisations are often trying to 'protect' literally nothing, whinging about empty wind swept derelict quaysides. They are using their power to encourage the stagnation of Liverpool's waterfront and city leaders need to find out why.
 

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It must run into thousands of floors knocked off buildings because of them. We have seen entire projects stall and developers pull out completely due to WHS. Its time we stopped letting these idiots hold us hostage all for a plaque on the wall.
Yes exactly, they've lost any benefit of the doubt.

Manchester must have laughed it's head off when we accepted WHS.
 

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I have always supported Liverpool having UNESCO status + it should have been a massive boost but something has gone badly wrong in its management + concept for the worst. Sorry to say...
It's something I quickly came to loathe. It's been a cancer on Liverpool's revival which to date has given nothing to the city and taken far more than it's worth.
 

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How can this be considered unacceptable on a heritage basis, yet the tower of London can be surrounded by skyscrapers without a murmur?
Maritime Greenwich too- another WHS in London with Skyscrapers looming all over it. Palace of Westminster WHS, they were allowed to stick the London Eye up right opposite it, no? Total hypocrisy.
Just because you guys up there missed the commotion over the Shard and towers in the City doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 

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That's a fair point about the Shard but when we feel the claws of interfering bodies in Liverpool we feel it particularly bad. The scale of development and investment in London is on another planet compared to Liverpool. Here we face disappointment after disappointment, stall after stall. The sheer heavy handedness of UNESCO against this backdrop is all too painful for us. In London, another developer could have easily have sprung up to build the Shard somewhere else. We don't have that luxury.
 

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Did the plans get stopped?

Did the plans get altered?

Did London get the 'award' taken off it?
Plans are altered all the time for various reasons. Our (Spurs') initial stadium plan in 2008 was withdrawn after heritage protests and the plans were altered. London skyscrapers are built with heritage concerns in mind already (especially with regard to St Paul's), and it's hardly unheard of for buildings to be reduced in scale because of this kind of thing.

Various threats were made from UNESCO and continue to be made. They haven't followed through but they haven't with Liverpool either and nor have Everton's plans been "stopped", so let's see how all this develops. If UNESCO follows through on its threat to Liverpool or if Everton's stadium is cancelled then it'll be different from London. As it is, it feels fairly similar at this stage. A few threats and a bit of a stand off but with the likelihood of approval in the end.

What I do find funny is people just assuming plans went through in London "without a murmur". It's up to Liverpool how it deals with UNESCO and its WHS, but some people are undermining their own arguments with fake news. And I say that as someone who supports this stadium development. (y)

That's a fair point about the Shard but when we feel the claws of interfering bodies in Liverpool we feel it particularly bad. The scale of development and investment in London is on another planet compared to Liverpool. Here we face disappointment after disappointment, stall after stall. The sheer heavy handedness of UNESCO against this backdrop is all too painful for us. In London, another developer could have easily have sprung up to build the Shard somewhere else. We don't have that luxury.
That's fair enough.
 

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Just because you guys up there missed the commotion over the Shard and towers in the City doesn't mean it didn't happen.
It might have been a commotion but the shard as we know exists, it’s standing there as an example of bold modern design. Had it been proposed in Liverpool the heritage nutters would maul it until it was watered down to a red brick stump, which would then stall...job done.
 
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