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F1 night race or lose it

May 20, 2007 12:15am
Article from: Sunday Mail (SA)

THE Australian Grand Prix will be ripped out of Melbourne unless it is held at night, Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone has warned.
But even staging the event under lights may not be enough to save the Albert Park spectacle, when its current contract expires in 2010.

Mr Ecclestone issued a blunt assessment of the race's future, in an exclusive interview with the Sunday Mail.

"Unless they (organisers) can come up with something satisfactory that's going to satisfy us I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be able to continue there," he said.

Mr Ecclestone's stand appears to signal the end of the road for the beleaguered race, which has suffered spiralling financial losses, a decline in crowds, global TV audience and sponsorship, and this year the loss of its V8 race.

Mr Ecclestone said AGP Corporation chairman Ron Walker was aware of his demands for a new contract.

"Ron is not stupid and he knows exactly what is at stake," Mr Ecclestone said.

However, the Sunday Mail has learned organisers regard changing the event to night-time as "not a huge priority".

"I don't think it is going to happen," a grand prix corporation insider said.

"To have Formula One cars hooning around Albert Park at 9pm won't go down well with the locals and it's a family event, so afternoon is obviously the ideal time."

The pressure on Melbourne increased nine days ago when Singapore was awarded a grand prix for 2008 – on the basis it is held at night.

A Victorian Government spokesman said: "We will be seeking to keep the event in Melbourne."



lol I had to post that, we will gladly take it back thanks Melbourne - Actually if they want the event changed to a night race than I can't see it being held in Adelaide either as the nimbys would have a fit (same for Melbourne) which is fair enough because it will be in the night time (not the most appropriate time for families and nearby residents).
 

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They might just take the race out of Australia all together and make another race in Asia possibly. In any case Melbourne's F1 organizers better start working out a solution.
Would it cause problems in Adelaide if there was a night race?

Also the reason why Melbourne has had poor attendance the last couple of years, is becuase of other major events that were on at around the same time. Melbourne has to many major events and it's starting to hurt the city.
 

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Sadly i think it will be lost to Australia. If Melbourne cant make a go of it, no where else in the country can.

Bernie's greedy, he wants to take it somewhere he can get more TV sponsorship and/or more gate-takings for. Australia fails in both departments being in a difficult timezone and having a small population.
 

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It looks like the race will be held elsewhere in the future, but a night race sounds cool
 

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I don't know how serious the government would be about keeping the race, nor how serious Bernie's threats actually are. Have to wait and see what happens. One thing I'm sure of though is that if Melbourne loses the race, it mean Australia loses it. I can't see another Australian city taking it off Melbourne at all. If it's lost it will probably be to an Asian city.

At least the Singpore circuit should be interesting since it's a street circuit. The Melbourne one is also interesting to watch because they are in the city. Other races, like Bahrain and Malaysia for example can be boring because they have a single spectacular grandstand, then cars go off and drive around the countryside with not a single spectator or grandstand to be seen.
 

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I can't see another Australian city taking it off Melbourne at all. If it's lost it will probably be to an Asian city.
I think I remember reading a article somewhere that If Melbourne lost it, Adelaide would be the first choice. Though I reckon I could see Sydney trying to bid for it.

The Melbourne one is also interesting to watch because they are in the city.
Nothing beats the Adelaide one, home to one of the worlds best street circuits.
 

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I think we'll see Ron Walker smooching Bernie to retain Melbourne at a day race. Walker is no pushover either, and he is the bigger man of the two :D

But Australia is a massive pain in the ass of F1's European viewers, it's at about 4-5am.
 

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Well if Melbourne were to loose the F1, it would be becuase of not being able to hold a night race, which they cannot as it would be to noisy for nearby residents at night. The same problem would also occur in Adelaide, and also in any other city that wanted a night race near residential areas.
They would have to hold the race at a circuit that's not situated near many houses. They are making a new track on the Gold Coast which would be perfect for a night race, from what I've heard.

Australia can hold very successful F1 races as Melbourne and Adelaide have shown, but it cant get the international viewers because of the time difference.

Also I wish Bernie would retire as head of the F1, the fun has gone out of the sport and all he cares about is the money.
 

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If I want to watch any sport live from the USA or Europe I have to see it at night..or the early hours...But we aren't as important are we!!! Its all dollars...It's crap.....They want a world series for the GP...but in their soul they think Europe is the world...just like back in pre Roman times! Sometimes I think we should just say shove it...We get just as much entertainment from our V8 supercars...I think more! The USA hasn't embraced the GP's even though they still have one..just!...but their population lets them get away with doing their own thing. With the growing powers of Asia and the Middle East..maybe we should reinforce our timezones sports and ignore the other side of the planet as well!
 

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holding the F1 on the same weekend as sydney's mardi gras (which has more spectators than the F1) probably doesn't help with keeping the crowds up, although they are probably different crowds anyway.
 

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I could see these babies fanging it through the Surfers Paradise skyscrapers at night time:lol: But even here, there would be complaints and problems. There is supposedly a new high tech multi million dollar racing venue to be built between brisbane and the gold coast on old sugar cane farms. It's slightly away from urban areas - so maybe this is a possible night time venue. Or maybe Australia should just tell Bernie and his stuck up formula to **** off:bash:
 

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If you think we should only use the financial result for running events around the world. Australia wouldn't hold any event !.....and why not just build a track in Europe with many tracks intertwined and movable barriers so they could race all F1 events there and just hang different city advertising signs and flags around the track....run some at night and say it's Melbourne....no one would know the difference....Just fly TV crews from countries matching the signage.....
 

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How much money have various state governments squandered on supporting the F1 GP, Indycar race, A1 GP, 500cc/MotoGP and Superbike races over the years? I doubt that any of them have recouped their outlays in the form of increased tax revenue. Governments have better things to spend our money on IMO.

If we're all supposedly so concerned about climate change and resource depletion in this day and age then I can't see how anybody could support motor racing any more. It is one of the ultimate wasteful activities.

How about we just dump the whole idea of motor racing? When we come up against the brick wall of peak oil I'd say that this whole notion of burning huge amounts of fuel to end up where you started will be one of the first things to go. Frankly I couldn't care less if Australia loses the F1 GP, or any other bloody stupid motor race for that matter.
 

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I wonder how Bunburys Formular Nippon track is going? ;)
 

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^^ Maybe that is why the WA government didnt seem bothered about loosing the Rally Australia event?

The troubles affecting the Melbourne F1 seem to be reflective of the greater problems in f1 in general. Also I dont think bernie wants to see a f1 removed from australia - its been one of the f1 highlites for many years.
 

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^^ Maybe that is why the WA government didnt seem bothered about loosing the Rally Australia event?
Nah it was the World Sandcastle Championships that forced the Rally to leave.

Ill never get over that, id been to every Rally for 4 Years in a row and :eek:hno: .
 

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Formula 1 racing is as boring as hell now. I would rather watch other forms of car/automobile/motor vehicle racing :) but I am not a fan of watching any type of motor vehicle racing. I watch 10 or 15 minutes and then stop watching.

Also, I think Bernie's attitude is poor at best.
 

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So much for Asia being the great well of TV money. We are in the Asian tv zone and it still is useless to F1.

If it was so 'big' then why do they need to run races at night from this time zone to beam back into Europe?

Because there is a lot of people in Asia, but they ain't got any money that is why. All the money is in Europe. Always has been and always will be. Just like with the soccer.

F1 is very mercenary. I think Melbourne has just about had enough of Bernie and his mob of glorified car salesmen. We have looked after them very well and they still demand.

Anyhow, we start the race at 9pm Melb time(summer time). It is still 10am London time(Sunday morning). Not exactly a prime time viewing. Most people would still not bother watching the race unless it was at a very interesting point in the season.

The residents in South Melb, St. Kilda, Albert Park, Port Melb. just won't go for this one. It is pushing it a fair bit as it is. The only chance would be to move it to Calder or Sandown.
 

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I think I remember reading a article somewhere that If Melbourne lost it, Adelaide would be the first choice. Though I reckon I could see Sydney trying to bid for it.
My goodness, do you honestly talk out of your ass?
Adelaide will NEVER get the Grand Prix back. Theres 2 very valid reasons:

1) Been there, done that.
2) The race will only move to specifically designed tracks in the future. The Adelaide Street Circuit now seems like a used ***** after being in service for around 20 years.

Not to mention the SA government is far too short sighted to grab a major event like the F1 ever again.

If it stays in Australia, I have a feeling it would move to the Gold Coast.
How do you see Sydney bidding for it? Why would you think that? Just because Sydney is the largest city?
Sorry but I don't think I have ever read of Sydney being interested in the F1. I could be wrong though.
 
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