Federal system in Iran

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iranii

Discussion Starter · Feb 25, 2018

I originally was going to post in the politics thread, but I thought this is a big enough topic worthy of its own thread.

What do you guys think of this system being implemented in Iran in the future? The critics of this idea state that it will lead to the eventual disintegration of Iran, however I think that this system will work very well in Iran, giving each region some autonomy, where they can be educated in their first language and laws will be according to the customs of that region.

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FreddyB

· #2 · Feb 25, 2018

You know me, I'm pro federalization.

The fear of "disintegration" is understandable, but in the same time, as it's not happening, heavy centralization are going to be a huge problem. Soon Iran would look like a place with 90% in the capital region where the government would struggle to organize and provide them minimum needs like water, whereas the rest of the country would be left in ruins. After some time the center would also turn into chaos because it could not take all the population. So the current path is going towards a deadend.

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urbastar

· #3 · Feb 25, 2018

iranii said:
I originally was going to post in the politics thread, but I thought this is a big enough topic worthy of its own thread.

What do you guys think of this system being implemented in Iran in the future? The critics of this idea state that it will lead to the eventual disintegration of Iran, however I think that this system will work very well in Iran, giving each region some autonomy, where they can be educated in their first language and laws will be according to the customs of that region.

I am against, specially with the first language thing, etc... See Spain as the bad example and France as the good example.

However, you should head for more decentralization, give Tabriz, Shiraz, Esfahan, etc.. more weight, more development

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iranii

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 25, 2018

urbastar said:
I am against, specially with the first language thing, etc... See Spain as the bad example and France as the good example.

However, you should head for more decentralization, give Tabriz, Shiraz, Esfahan, etc.. more weight, more development

I think the first language must be given to the minorities, right now one of the main grievance of Torks kords arabs balochs is that they want equal language rights, there is no reason why they shouldn't be given, and it would deescalate the existing tensions.

I think federalism would also be good for provinces such as Khuzestan, who will actually get to keep a lot of their oil profits.

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iranii

Discussion Starter · #5 · Feb 25, 2018

FreddyB said:
You know me, I'm pro federalization.

The fear of "disintegration" is understandable, but in the same time, as it's not happening, heavy centralization are going to be a huge problem. Soon Iran would look like a place with 90% in the capital region where the government would struggle to organize and provide them minimum needs like water, whereas the rest of the country would be left in ruins. After some time the center would also turn into chaos because it could not take all the population. So the current path is going towards a deadend.

Personally I don't think the fear of disintegration is realistic, what upsets me is when Iranians compare our country to Iraq or other failed states. Our situation is completely different, all our ethnicities have been living together for millennia, there is no real separatists movement in Iran, so for some people to talk about disintegration for me is just an excuse. The most proud Iranians I have met are from azarbaijan, I think federalism would strengthen our country as a whole and increase our nationalistic feeling.

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Batista12

· #6 · Feb 25, 2018

Federalism does not work in the Middle East, just look at Iraq.

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iranii

Discussion Starter · #7 · Feb 25, 2018

Batista12 said:
Federalism does not work in the Middle East, just look at Iraq.

again Iraq cannot be compared with Iran. Iran has been a continuous nation for virtually 5000 years with all these different groups living together, Iraq was a made up state 100 years ago.

FreeToLove

· #8 · Feb 25, 2018

Would Federal lead to separations?

urbastar

· #9 · Feb 25, 2018

iranii said:
again Iraq cannot be compared with Iran. Iran has been a continuous nation for virtually 5000 years with all these different groups living together, Iraq was a made up state 100 years ago.

It is not because these groups lived together for 5000 years that it guarantees it will continue.

They ask first language, and then autonomy, and then... etc...

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FreeToLove

· #10 · Feb 25, 2018

urbastar said:
It is not because these groups lived together for 5000 years that it guarantees it will continue.

They ask first language, and then autonomy, and then... etc...

thats what im worried.

Iran should have Persian as administrative and court language.

Then recognize minority langues such as turks, kurds, baloch, etc..

have them as a 2nd language class in school from grade 1-12 and have a option to learn other languages.

then when it comes to customs, holiday, etc.. it should be very open and practical.

however when it comes to national holiday, everyone should celebrate it.

thats only languages.

if federal works, then other countries should eventually join with iran.

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SoroushPersepolisi

· #11 · Feb 27, 2018

urbastar said:
I am against, specially with the first language thing, etc... See Spain as the bad example and France as the good example.

However, you should head for more decentralization, give Tabriz, Shiraz, Esfahan, etc.. more weight, more development

spain is unique. spanish kingdom forcefully dominated and colonized catalonia and galicia. catalonia was an independent kingdom before. hence, they have a different nationalist view

a federal system in iran is good, though a bit more central than lets say russia (which has small republics).

and i disagree about different laws regarding customs. you can have different laws for economy , language and maybe school system regulations (like math etc) but in terms of human rights, freedoms , legal systems and family law etc all must follow a proper national constitution

germany's federal parliament system is very good in my opinion , especially in their economic regulations

regarding language, persian will still be the official first language. then in each region, the regional language will also be officialized and both will be taught in schools and all laws and official forms, rules, etc will all be in two languages.

though again all of this under an akhoond system is nearly impossible, but lets consider iran has put that aside

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SoroushPersepolisi

· #12 · Feb 27, 2018

iranii said:
again Iraq cannot be compared with Iran. Iran has been a continuous nation for virtually 5000 years with all these different groups living together, Iraq was a made up state 100 years ago.

iraq is an artifical construct with massively deep tribal, religious and regional/political problems that has been in endless wars
iran is not the same

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Persian_Gulf

· #13 · Feb 28, 2018

Iranians do not have the culture, neither are they ready for a federal system.

Iran needs to get rid of this regime first and many things have to change/ to be fixed first, before we can talk about federalism.

Also there is no need for a federal state when Iran's future system gives equal rights to all minorities. That's what we need to fight for, not federalism.

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Barış1

· #14 · Feb 28, 2018

I think that the federal system is the only way of preventing disintegration of Iran. Also disintegration does not need to be psychical.

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FreddyB

· #15 · Feb 28, 2018

SoroushPersepolisi said:
spain is unique. spanish kingdom forcefully dominated and colonized catalonia and galicia. catalonia was an independent kingdom before. hence, they have a different nationalist view

a federal system in iran is good, though a bit more central than lets say russia (which has small republics).

and i disagree about different laws regarding customs. you can have different laws for economy , language and maybe school system regulations (like math etc) but in terms of human rights, freedoms , legal systems and family law etc all must follow a proper national constitution

germany's federal parliament system is very good in my opinion , especially in their economic regulations

regarding language, persian will still be the official first language. then in each region, the regional language will also be officialized and both will be taught in schools and all laws and official forms, rules, etc will all be in two languages.

though again all of this under an akhoond system is nearly impossible, but lets consider iran has put that aside

TBH I don't buy into history much since I believe people don't have good memory. There must be something else. I've seen a video of the way the police treats the people standing in line for the "fake referendum" and it was horrible (for eu standards). So I guess there are some other discrimination and factors that increase it?

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iranii

Discussion Starter · #16 · Feb 28, 2018

Barış;145790239 said:
I think that the federal system is the only way of preventing disintegration of Iran. Also disintegration does not need to be psychical.

Exactly, right now in Kordistan region, many cities are having complete strikes, due to poor treatment of koulbars

SoldierT

· #17 · Mar 1, 2018

Every province should first decide if it wants to stay in iran
then the other remaining ones should decide what to to

i personaly would seperate kordestan,baluchestan and azarbaycan from iran
then we wont have the language problem and decentralsiation would be less problematic

but these 3 minoritys must vote to be seperated from iran!i hope this happens fast!otherwise you have unloyal population which will be given iranian money if they dont vote

let them vote and if they prove loyal they can get iranian care

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Persian_Gulf

· #18 · Mar 1, 2018

When Kurd's, Baluchi's, Azeri's came into the street they didn't chant for separatism or federalism - they clearly said no to Gaza, no to Lebanon, my life for Iran.

The will for federalism or separatism is very little inside Iran, and is just used as false propaganda by the regime to scare people.

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Persian_Gulf

· #19 · Mar 1, 2018

iranii said:
Exactly, right now in Kordistan region, many cities are having complete strikes, due to poor treatment of koulbars

And what has this to do with federalism? The whole country is going through strikes and protests.

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FreeToLove

· #20 · Mar 1, 2018

SoldierT said:
Every province should first decide if it wants to stay in iran
then the other remaining ones should decide what to to

i personaly would seperate kordestan,baluchestan and azarbaycan from iran
then we wont have the language problem and decentralsiation would be less problematic

but these 3 minoritys must vote to be seperated from iran!i hope this happens fast!otherwise you have unloyal population which will be given iranian money if they dont vote

let them vote and if they prove loyal they can get iranian care

what!? losing lands from kurds, azeri and baloch would tear up the geopolitcs of the region.

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