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Hull Daily Mail - 2nd Feb 2008

Hull City Council is objecting to plans for a £120m retail and leisure development in Beverley, the Mail can reveal.

The authority fears a 16-acre retail and leisure development planned for Flemingate could impact on its own plans to attract people to the city.

Now, a cross-border planning battle is looming between them and East Riding Council officials.

Hull City Council has launched an official objection to the Beverley scheme, which will include shops, offices, a hotel and new housing.

It claims the development could damage retail and office developments in the city centre, including a planned £300m extension to Princes Quay shopping centre.

With St Stephen's shopping centre still not fully let, Hull officials say the Beverley scheme is also at odds with local planning policies.

They identify the city centre ahead of Beverley as the preferred location for major new retail and office development.

Today, East Riding Council leader Councillor Stephen Parnaby shrugged off the city council's objection. He said: "Hull City Council will do whatever it thinks it should, but my view is this development doesn't affect anything in Hull.

"What it does is build something for the area. There is no sense in treating Beverley and Hull in isolation. Both economies rely on each other, but this is going to attract new people to the area, which benefits everyone."

Cllr Parnaby said he believed the Flemingate development would be a massive boost for Beverley.

He said: "The city council's biggest concern is the shopping element, but if a city the size of Hull has to worry then something is wrong."

"Hull has objected to a lot of things, so this isn't unusual. It wants everything to be built in the city, not outside."

But Councillor Andy Sloan, former city council regeneration portfolio holder, said: "A development on this scale is going to change the whole nature of Beverley at a time when the East Riding Council is supposed to be supporting the regeneration of Hull and the city centre in particular.

"This amount of new retail investment will have an impact on Hull.

"I would expect Yorkshire Forward to have some concerns too because of the amount of public money it has put into speculative office development at Humber Quays in Hull in recent years.

"I'm assuming they would want to protect that investment."

The Flemingate scheme envisages almost 9,000sqm of shopping space, roughly the same size as the Tesco Extra store in Hull's St Stephen's complex.

In an official letter of objection, the city council's planning policy officer Alex Codd said: "We accept this is an appropriate location for some retail and office use. However, the quantity of retail and office space proposed is of an unacceptable scale, which could adversely impact on the planned retail and office developments in Hull city centre."

Mr Codd said the level of retail space included in the Flemingate scheme was also contrary to joint planning policies between the two councils.

Susan Oliver, chairman of the Beverley and District Chamber of Trade, said: "I am not surprised Hull City Council has objected because it is concerned about losing trade.

"The problem is we have so many retail areas now that are attempting to be successful, but there is only one pool of money.

"At the moment, Beverley town centre has lots of independent shops, so it is not as much of a threat to Hull as it would be if the Flemingate development gets some big names."

The objection from Hull will be considered by East Riding planning councillors when they meet to decide on the proposals by joint developers Wykeland, Quintain Estates and the CP Group later this year.

If outline planning permission is granted, the application could still be called in by the Secretary of State, who could insist on a public inquiry.

The row has echoes of a similar planning battle a decade ago when objections from the East Riding Council eventually led to Marks and Spencer shelving city council-backed plans for a major new store in Priory Park in west Hull.

At the time, the East Riding claimed the development would hit traders in Hessle, Anlaby and Willerby.

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Cheers Hedge, i may go to one or two of them.


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13:52 - 27 February 2008

Plans for two multi-million pound developments in Beverley look set to get the green light.

East Riding Council planning officers have recommended plans for a £120m retail, leisure and residential development in Flemingate and a £50m retail park in Grovehill Road be approved if given the thumbs up by the Government.

If members of the council's planning committee back the plans, both proposals have to go to the Secretary of State for approval, and if given the green light will go ahead.

But plans to build a £30m southern relief road for the town have hit a snag, with officers recommending a decision be deferred while reports on the environmental impact of the road are completed.

Once the reports are received, officers recommend the plans come back before the committee for consideration.

All three plans will be considered by the council's planning committee on March 6.

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Looking at where the Flemingate development is in Beverley in relation to the main shopping street i can see it having a negative impact in the traditional heart of Beverley but if the retail provision in Hull does not improve and adapt then i do fear Beverley taking shoppers away from Hull. You will get the usual snobbish types who would look for any excuse to avoid hull city centre. So whereas they may still shop in Hull now at Next, Topshop ect.. if these names open up (they could be there already) in the new development then they may choose to shop in Beverley.

As for the development thats just been disposed of, it would have been only a threat to nearby Kingswood and possibly St Andrews Quay which i wouldnt really be bothered about.

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Does this mean the Beverley development is going ahead then?

Demolition to begin at eyesore former Clariant site to make way for redevelopmentT
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A DERELICT Beverley factory site earmarked for a £120m redevelopment is set to be demolished, the Mail can reveal.
Demolition contractors are preparing to move on to the site of the disused Clariant chemical factory and former Museum of Army Transport, in the shadow of Beverley Minster.
Letters will be posted today to residents living near the 16-acre site informing them of the 12-week demolition scheme, which is expected to begin on Monday, October 20.
The move has been welcomed by the Beverley Local Action Team, which brings together residents, councillors, police and other organisations.
It has branded the site an eyesore and a magnet for vandals.
Developers behind plans for the Flemingate site are waiting for a planning inspector to view the land next week before it is finally cleared.
The site, which has been derelict for more than two years, will be the subject of a public inquiry next month.
East Riding Council has approved plans for shops, restaurants, a hotel, cinema, offices, carbon-friendly homes and the relocation of East Riding College to the site.
But the application was referred to the Government because of the scale of the project and a planning inspector, who is due to visit Beverley on Monday, will chair a public inquiry into the scheme next month.
Wykeland Group director Stephen Hudson, whose company is one of three behind the redevelopment scheme for the site, said demolition was delayed after the public inquiry was called.
He said: "We have not gone ahead with demolition in case the planning inspector wants to see the site. The environmental baseline for our application is the existing use and buildings on the site."
Beverley Local Action Team chairman Councillor Kerri Harold, whose group has been pressing for the site to be cleared, welcomed the demolition plan.
She said: "The site is a magnet for young people who are getting in there and daubing graffiti on derelict buildings and lighting fires. The site is an eyesore and the sooner it is cleared the better."

...I thought it'd been rejected?

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Flemingate scheme to transform Beverley

A £120m regeneration scheme, which has been given the go-ahead for Beverley, has been hailed as a "once-in-a- lifetime opportunity" for the town.

The development proposed for a 17-acre former factory and museum site near Beverley Minster has now been approved by the Government, as first reported on the Mail's website yesterday.

The scheme, which would create about 640 jobs, would include shops, restaurants, a hotel, cinema, homes, offices and a new college.

East Riding Council had approved the plans, but they had to be referred to the Government, which held a public inquiry because of the scale of the scheme.

Council leader Councillor Stephen Parnaby has welcomed the final go-ahead. He said: "This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to regenerate an important part of Beverley close to the Minster and the development is set to change the face of the town for future generations."

The consortium behind the scheme – Wykeland Group, CP Group and Quintain Estates and Development Plc – is now working on an application for detailed planning consent that will lead to the first phase of construction.

A spokesman said: "After over four years working with the many people in Beverley who want to see this brownfield site transformed, we are delighted to receive this positive decision from the Secretary of State."

A £23m new campus for East Riding College had been earmarked as the first phase of development.

But a funding blow from the Learning and Skills Council, which was unable to confirm a £12m grant, has caused a setback for this scheme.

The college's director of resources John Doris said: "The original 2011 date for opening a new college on the Flemingate site will be put back a year or two, but we remain committed to delivering new vocational facilities following on from the new campus recently opened in Bridlington.

"The decision to grant outline planning permission now enables us to reconsider the details of our plans."

Beverley and District Chamber of Trade chairman Phil Guest insists the shop plans must not threaten the town centre.

He said: "It's very important that all the details of the scheme are fully examined because it is such a big scheme for Beverley.

"The aesthetics of the scheme are also important, we don't want to look like Milton Keynes.":lol:

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I went to Beverley Leaisure Centre the other day and it loks like what is the Flemingate project directly opposite. If that is it, Beverley is just going to become one giant traffic jam. The road to it is already difficult to manouvre (sp?) through due to parked traffic and narrow roads. I can see Flemingate failing badly in the long run, simply due to people getting fed up of waiting in traffic jams. Though it does surprised me the amount of people that would rather get stuck in a traffic jam to get to a small amount of shops in Beverley or Bridlington now, rather than Hull, so perhaps not?

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News in brief: Meeting over Flemingate plans
Friday, April 23, 2010, 08:00
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BEVERLEY: Developers behind £120m regeneration plans for land near Beverley Minster will attend Beverley Town Council's meeting on Monday to explain proposed changes to the scheme.

The Government gave the go-ahead last year for the redevelopment of the 17-acre former factory and museum site in Flemingate.

The ambitious plans, which would create about 640 jobs, include shops, restaurants, a hotel, cinema, homes, offices and a new campus for East Riding College.

The consortium behind the scheme has now submitted a planning application to vary conditions attached to the original permission.

A residential block shown on the masterplan is no longer proposed and this has resulted in an amended design for the multi-storey car park.

I think a cinema proposed in this project could have a big effect on Hull - other than a terrible, tiny, run-down cinema in Bridlington which nobody goes to, Hull is the only place in the East Riding with cinema's and I know many people in the East Riding who don't normally come to Hul shopping, but do so if they're going to the cinema as it is the only place to go to see new films. I suspect most would now go to Beverley instead.

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A 130-home development will kick-start a £120m regeneration scheme in the shadow of Beverley Minster.

A housing development, which will feature eco-friendly properties, has been unveiled as the first phase of the scheme in Flemingate, which will also include shops, restaurants, a hotel, cinema, college and offices.

New campus plans for East Riding College were initially earmarked for the first phase but the proposal was hit by a funding setback last year.

Outline permission was approved by the Government last year for the regeneration of the 17-acre former factory and museum site, which is expected to create some 640 jobs.

The consortium behind the regeneration plans - Wykeland Group, CP Group and Quintain Estates and Development Plc – has now chosen Stamford Homes as the preferred developer for the residential part of the development.

The home builders will unveil their proposals at a public exhibition in the town next week.

Meanwhile, the consortium is also in negotiations to line up operators and tenants for the shopping, leisure and hotel elements of the site.

Wykeland director Stephen Hudson is delighted the housing plans are now in place, subject to final approval of the details by East Riding Council.

He said: "We are pleased that work should be starting on site shortly and that should gather momentum to see the delivery of the whole of the site.

"We are progressing negotiations with operators and tenants for the retail, leisure and hotel elements of the site."

Stamford Homes will put their homes proposals on show at Beverley Memorial Hall, Lairgate, on Tuesday.

The 130-home development, featuring a range of two, three and four-bed homes, will include 17 curved three-bed homes designed to create an attractive crescent feature on the site.

It will also include at least nine affordable homes for rent or shared ownership, to be managed by a housing association.

All homes on the site would be built to level three of the code for sustainable homes, which means that they would be 25 per cent more energy efficient than new homes built as recently as 2006.

This could include better insulation, solar heating and low energy lighting.

Andy Cramer, technical director at Stamford Homes, said: "This is a very exciting project for Beverley and one that links in to a far wider redevelopment of the area.

"The finished site will greatly enhance the conservation area and improve views to the Minister."

Mr Cramer has invited residents to visit Tuesday's exhibition between 3.30pm-7.30pm.

He said: "Representatives from the team will be on hand to assist and answer any questions, and the community will have the opportunity to provide feedback on the plans, which will be incorporated into the proposals where possible."

East Riding Council's director of planning and economic regeneration Alan Menzies said the proposals show there is confidence in Beverley despite the depressed economic climate.

He said: "It's excellent news, particularly in the current economic climate, that work is to start that will create employment and economic activity on that site.

"It kicks off that site very well, it may well not be quite in the way it had originally been anticipated, but it shows that the private sector has significant confidence in Beverley."

Beverley and District Chamber of Trade chairman Ben Gardiner also welcomed the news.

He said: "The development of this site is very important to the economy of the town, we have always been behind it.

"If the housing kick starts the development, it gets jobs coming into the town."

East Riding College had been lined up as the anchor development but plans for a £23m new campus were hit by a major funding blow when the Learning and Skills Council was unable to confirm a £12m grant.

The college's director of resources John Doris said: "We are delighted that work on the Flemingate redevelopment is finally getting under way and we still hope to be a part of this great scheme in the future.

"We are continuing to look at alternative sources of funding and other ways in which we can make possible a new campus on the Flemingate site.

"However, we have to be realistic about the availability of monies against the well publicised backdrop of significant public sector funding cuts."

* For more details about the Stamford Homes scheme ring Tobin Byers on the project's freephone information line on 0800 298 7040.

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Plans lodged for 130 homes in Beverley's Flemingate – work could start this year

FUTURE VISION? How the development in Flemingate would look.
WORK on a £120 million regeneration scheme in Beverley could begin later this year.

Stamford Homes, which recently held a public exhibition on its 130-home proposal for a site in Flemingate, has now lodged its planning application with East Riding Council.

The homes scheme, which will feature energy-efficient properties, is lined up as the first phase of major regeneration for the 17-acre former factory and museum site near Beverley Minster.

Outline permission was approved by the Government last year for the redevelopment of the land, including shops, restaurants, a hotel, cinema, offices and a new campus for East Riding College.

The regeneration, put forward by a consortium of developers, is expected to create some 640 jobs.

Andy Cramer, technical director at Stamford Homes, said the housing plans have now been fine-tuned following the exhibition.

He said: "There have been some minor tweaks to the plans following the public exhibition.

"The response to the plans was overwhelmingly positive."

If councillors give the green light, building work on the £21 million housing scheme could start by the end of the year.

Mr Cramer said: "There is quite extensive clearance work that would have to be undertaken.

"We would be hoping to see if we could start building by the end of the year."

The development, featuring a range of two, three and four- bedroom homes, will range from about £150,000 to £235,000.

It will also include at least nine affordable homes for rent or shared ownership, to be managed by a housing association.

Mr Cramer said prospective purchasers are already registering an interest in the new development.

He said: "We are hoping there will be a demand for it because of the nature of the scheme and its location.

"It's certainly something we are optimistic about."

All the homes on the site would be built to level three of the code for sustainable homes, which means they would be 25 per cent more energy efficient than new homes built as recently as 2006.

The scheme includes 17 curved three-bedroom homes designed to create an attractive crescent feature.

The consortium behind the regeneration scheme is now looking to line up operators and tenants for the shopping, leisure and hotel elements of the site.

The artists impression looks good. Why is it only in places like Beverley that developers see fit to 'recreate' old style buildings/create builds that are inkeeping with the rest of the area?

The majority of Beverley looks old and historic, but to me, a big percentage of those buildings look as though they have been built in the 60s/70s/80s in an old style - is this the case?

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Neglected area in shadow of the Minster to be redeveloped in new year
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What the area will look like.
WORK will start in the new year on the first phase of a £120 million regeneration scheme in the shadow of Beverley Minster.

Building work is set to get underway in February on 130 homes on a former factory and museum site in Flemingate, after councillors gave the green light yesterday.

The housing scheme is part of a mixed development earmarked for the 17-acre site.

Outline permission was approved by the Government last year for the redevelopment of the land, including shops, restaurants, a hotel, cinema, offices and a new campus for East Riding College.

The regeneration plan, put forward by a consortium of developers, is expected to create some 640 jobs.

The housing element of the scheme will be the first phase to go ahead after final details won the backing of East Riding Council's planning committee yesterday.

Andy Cramer, technical director at Stamford Homes, said: "We are pleased obviously, a lot of work has gone into this and we are pleased it has been granted.

"We are looking forward to getting on the site.

"We believe the development will go well given its prominence in the centre of Beverley, there has been a steady flow of inquiries since we held a public exhibition on the scheme earlier this year."

Guy Evans, a member of the development consortium behind the regeneration of the site, is delighted the first phase can now begin.

Mr Evans, land director at CP Group, said: "We are very pleased to have Stamford Homes on board and we are delighted they will be able to start on site in the new year.

"This is phase one, which is residential, we will then be progressing with the commercial development."

The death of Kingswood begins? Everyone I know in the East Riding goes to Kingswood for the cinema, as it is the nearest and easiest to get to.

I'd like to see the (A165) dual-carriageway at Leven bypass extended to Kingswood maybe, or to Beverley Road if a joint LEP is passed.


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Beverley residents demanding more objections:

Traders' fears as 'large' supermarket earmarked for regeneration site

The Flemingate site is overlooked by Beverley Minster.FOOD store plans for land near Beverley Minster have sparked opposition, amid fears it would damage town centre trade.

Permission is being sought for a food store as part of a £120 million regeneration of former factory land in Flemingate.

Approval is already in place for non-food shops, restaurants, bars, a cinema, hotel, offices, housing and a college campus.

But the consortium behind the scheme now want consent for one of the units to be a medium-sized food store, which could be a supermarket or a convenience store selling food.


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'Supermarket would cause traffic chaos': Highways officials back traders
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An artist's impression of part of the £120m development in Flemingate.TRADERS and residents fighting controversial supermarket plans near Beverley Minster have been boosted by highways objections.

East Riding Council's highways department is recommending rejection of the supermarket development because of parking and traffic concerns.

A medium-sized food store has been proposed as part of a £120 million regeneration of former factory land in Flemingate.

But the move has sparked opposition from traders, town councillors and nearby residents who fear it would hit town centre trade and cause traffic and parking chaos.

Highway officers have voiced concern over parking problems and delivery lorries using surrounding streets.

Leading Beverley trader David Bird insists a food store in Flemingate would hurt town trade.

Mr Bird, ex-chairman of the town's chamber of trade, said: "I suspect the developers need an anchor tenant on there to raise the finance to build on there.

"It's a desperate try and I suspect they have got a food operator lined up.

"I don't think there is a demand for it, I don't think it's necessary and it would twist the centre of town from the market square even further out to that location, which was one of the most contentious issues with that development to start with."

Permission is already in place for non-food shops, restaurants, bars, a cinema, hotel, offices, housing and a college campus at the 16-acre redevelopment site.

But the consortium behind the scheme now wants approval for one of the units to be a food store, which would be bigger than the town's M&S Simply Food store.
(inc. new artist's impression)

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Beverley food store bid shelved by developers of £120m Flemingate

The site earmarked for the Flemingate development.DEVELOPERS of the £120 million Flemingate site have scrapped their plans for a large food store after objections from the council's highways officers.

Instead, they have submitted plans for two smaller food units on the 16-acre site, which planners are now set to approve.

Consent is already in place for non-food shops, restaurants, bars, a cinema, hotel, offices, housing, and a college campus.

The developers are now seeking consent for food sales at two of the units, close to a proposed multi-storey car park on the site.

The convenience-size food units would be smaller than the town's M&S Simply Food store, and would cater for 'top-up' shoppers, rather than for customers who bulk-shop at supermarkets.

Currently, there are no operators lined-up.

East Riding highways officials, who objected to the original supermarket plan, said the new proposal is acceptable.

Traders, who were worried about the impact of a supermarket, said two smaller food units may be better for their businesses.
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Does anyone ever see a McDonald's of KFC ever being built in Beverley? I can't see it ever happening.
With the Beverley Southern bypass having got funding, and talks of houses filling up the green belt land between Beverley and the bypass, there is now news that the leisure and retail development is set to begin at Flemingate.

Retail building begins in Beverley but who will move in?Saturday, December 10, 2011Hull Daily MailFollow
WORK is starting on the groundwork for a major retail and entertainment complex in Beverley, but the public will not be told who the prospective tenants are until next year.

The scheme is part of the £120 million Flemingate development in Beverley.

ON THE HORIZON: Building work is set to begin on the commercial aspects of the £120 million Flemingate development in the shadow of Beverley Minster.
Work is already under way on 130 homes that will form the residential section of the site.

Now it will begin on the commercial aspects, which got outline planning permission after a public inquiry in 2009.

Developers, led by Hull-based Wykeland, plan to put in a detailed planning application before April.

A spokesman said: "Very early in the new year, we'll be beginning a public consultation period for the people of Beverley.

"We'll also be talking to the Civic Society and East Riding Council – all the groups who might want to have a voice.

"In the first quarter of next year, we're hoping to be able to give details of a hotel on the site."

Planning consent is in place for shops, restaurants, bars, a cinema, hotel, offices and a college campus.

The consortium has declined to say which shops or hotel chains it has spoken to.

But Wykeland already has established links with cut-price supermarket chain Heron Foods and hotel company Travelodge, as well as companies such as Jackson Group, Vodafone and Halfords.

In advance of more detailed announcements, contracts have been awarded to make the ground safe and do further archaeological surveys on the site off Flemingate.

The project involves redeveloping 16 acres of land where Hodgsons Tannery and, later, the Museum of Army Transport used to be.

The spokesman said: "We have awarded a contract to Yorkshire-based Sirius to undertake the site remediation and carry out necessary decontamination work which will take around five months to complete.

"At the same time, a team from Hull-based Humberfield Archaeology will carry out further detailed archaeological survey work.

"These are exciting times both for the consortium and the people of Beverley as this very important project begins to take shape. When completed, it will regenerate and reinvigorate this part of the town, adding to Beverley's attraction as a shopping, leisure and tourist destination and providing much-needed urban housing."

Of the 16 acres, 10.5 have been earmarked for commercial and retail development with the rest set aside for the provision of 130 new homes by Linden Homes. Builders with plant machinery are currently on site.


With this news, does anyone think Beverley could become it's own 'metropolis' and in danger of completely changing it's whole character?

Also, what do people think with the 'cinema' aspect of the development? Will it/could it see less people going to Kingswood?

...and, surely the likes of McDonalds and KFC would follow to a development with a cinema, as people tend to have snacks etc at the same time, which is why Kingswood tends to work well, and the reason the late night eateries will work well alongside Vue in Princes Quay.

It'll be interesting to see what stores would move in, too.
Surely if it attracts big name retailers, it would put to bed the discussions on certain retailers not moving to Hull due to modern retail units not being available. Reason being, the old shops in Beverley have failed to bring in any big name retailers for years with the likes of Currys recently moving out, so it'll be an interesting observation when it is finished.

Also interesting to see if it affects trade in the town centre.

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Shop space at Beverley's Flemingate retail development will be 40% biggerMonday, February 06, 2012Hull Daily MailFollow
DEVELOPERS behind a £120 million regeneration project have increased the planned shop space by almost 40 per cent.

The proposals for retail floor space at the Flemingate site in Beverley have increased from 130,000sq ft to 178,000sq ft. The 48,000sq ft increase is a similar size to Waitrose in Willerby.

Ready for a change: An aerial shot of the Flemingate site. Picture: Wykeland Group Ltd / David Lee Photography Ltd
Hull firm Wykeland, part of the consortium leading the project, has also revealed the shopping outlets will be spread over two floors.

However, it refused to say how many more extra stores could move in the extra space, only that negotiations are well under way with a possible anchor tenant.

The plans, which are to be shown to members of the public this week, include:

The new Beverley campus for East Riding College.

An 80-bed hotel

A five-screen cinema complex


A community hall

Office accommodation

A 486-space multi-storey car park.

Almost 700 jobs will be created by the scheme, in addition to the 320 jobs created during the construction phase.

A spokesman for the consortium said the style and size of the shop units at the new site are very different to the existing core retail provision in Beverley.

He said of the 221 retail units in the town centre, only seven are more than 5,000sq ft.


Ok, we've started and stalled on conversation on this development in the past.

Let's try again now there is news of expansion to the retail offering...

Personally, I think this development could go one of a few ways...

It'll either kill off Kingswood, kill off Beverley centre or worst case scenario, both!

Reason being: It could pull retailers from Beverley centre who wish to have newer, bigger premesis (i.e. The St.Stephens effect), such as New Look, Dorothy Perkins and Burtons.

I've thought about what I originally said, and I don't think it will impact Hull centre as much as I thought it would. I think if they're trying to attract retailers that already have flagship stores in Hull, they're likely to turn round and say 'No, if people wish to shop with us, they'll travel 5 miles down the road to a place where most other shops are'. Though it could possible attract stores who have 2 stores in Hull, to close one of their Hull stores in favour of two larger stores in the area.

The cinema, depending on who the operator is and what the restaurants nearby are, could have a big effect on Kingswood, as most people I know who live in the East Riding opt for Cineworld when going to the cinema, as it's easier than driving into the city centre - Beverley would then become the nearest and would also be newer - people like new things and people who have a bit of money may start seeing Cineworld, sat next to Hollywood Bowl, as the Beverley cinema's chavvy older brother. It's like anything, if it's new and the 'in thing' people will opt for it; the Princes Ave effect, which became the Newland Ave effect? etc, etc...

Similar to the St.Stephens effect on Whitefriargate, Flemingate could not only have a big effect on Beverley centre, but also on North Bar within, which is already struggling at the moment.


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Big name that, especially as they have another store 5 miles down the road, so shows my theory of not being able to attract stores with Hull city centre premises to be wrong. Could this effect the Hull Debenhams? afterall, the Hull Debenhams, to an extent, is off the beaten track.

Surprised they didn't aim for John Lewis, seeing as there isn't one in this area.

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remember Debenhams are investing in the Hull store...

to be honest I'd rather a Debs. than John Lewis in Beverley - if they'd got John Lewis Hull would never get one... way too close

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Also in HDM:

Flemingate news - as well as Debenhams moving in, Premier Inn have agreed to run the 80 bed hotel.

Could that mean the end for the Kingswood Premier Inn?

Also, bad news for the independent little guest houses in Beverley, IMO.

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More on Flemingate, taking the interesting parts of the article:

"It also questions lead developer Wykeland's argument that people in Elloughton, Brough and Swanland see Beverley as their main retail shopping centre.

Mr Bird said: "Hull would class people who live in those areas as being in its main catchment area.

"We don't want to see a situation similar to the one in Hull where you have a thriving St Stephen's centre at the expense of Whitefriargate, which is struggling."

The letter to Ms Portas says: "Beverley is a classic example of a working high street without a large-scale out-of-town shopping centre."


"A spokesman (from Wykeland) said: "Those population centres mentioned will hopefully be drawn to the new retail units in Beverley. As a result, they will connect better with the independent shops in the town centre.

"Currently, those people are more likely to go to Hull to shop in those larger retail units."

Read in full, here:

Hmm, those who originally said this development wouldn't effect Hull's retail think differently now, or do you think it won't be a problem, despite Wykeland seeming to say their main aim is to attract tennants who are already in Hull, so Beverley shoppers don't have to go as far/those from the West Hull villages don't have to go to the shops in Hull, as they'll be able to get them in Beverley.
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