[ssiguy2]

I never thought I'd say this but is it time we stopped waiting for Quebec to leave and simply pushed them out.
I LOVE Quebec and I know her well but Canada can simply not keep going on this way. Every political and economic decsion in this country has come down to how will Quebec take?
This country's federal governments of all stripes are so worried about Quebec that the rest of the nation is ignored. If you dare say something about the situation then you are labeeled "anti-Quebec" or you are helping "feed the flames of sovernity". Just look at Ontario these days. McGuinty just wants his fair share due to being completly drained by the feds and yet most of the money goes to Quebec. In return all we get is bitching from her and demands of more "or we'll leave.
there would be an open border an free trade so Atlantic Canada wouldn't be a problem. In fact they would get even more money so they would be a hell of a lot better off.
I'm not at all worried about "joining the states"....we are a completly different nation. I actually find that excuse insulting as it basically says that the only reason Canada is different from the US is due to Quebec.

I think it really may be time for Quebec to go, she'll go sooner or later.
When she does become her own nation and her population and economy retreat, she may find out that its a bigger and scarier world than she thought.
Its time to stop this.........its time for Quebec to go.

 

[[email protected]]

I tend to agree. I think Quebec is becoming more of a liability that an asset for Canada because all they do is whine and bitch to get more money from the rest of the country and once they get it, they whine and bitch anyway. If Quebec separates but has a good economic relationship with the rest of Canada and the world, then the rest of Canada can focus on its resources to help the rest of the country. Besides, what is the difference between Quebec as a province or independent nation? They want their own national government, their own military and their own "distinct society", so be it.

 

[malek]

McGuinty just wants his fair share due to being completly drained by the feds and yet most of the money goes to Quebec.

care to back these ignorant claims with numbers?

 

[big W]

Here is the info from the department of finance.

Equalization Entitlements – (2005-06)
($ millions)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PEI-----NB----NL----NS----MB-----QC----BC---SK----Total
277---1,348--861--1,344--1,601--4,798--590---82----10,900

http://www.fin.gc.ca/FEDPROV/eqpe.html

As it sits Quebec gets almost half of the equalization payments. Especially since BC and SK are no longer going to be getting money going forward.

 

[itom 987]

^ Holy shit. I don't even consider Quebec a "have not" province.

 

[touraccuracy]

Kick them out! *evil laugh*

 

[Weezerfan]

I don't think that we should or even could kick them out but I think that we should entitle to there democratic right to separate and not impede it too much. I don't want another sponsorship scandal, because we all know how the liberals would stop separatism. We could perhaps provide some sort of asymetrical federalist system or heck, martin could get his $%!# nose out of provincial juristiction, the feds shouldn't be medling with healthcare, education or childcare, it is not there constitutional responsibility. I love how the liberals ignore section 91 and 92 of our constitution. <-- sarcasm

 

[malek]

Here is the info from the department of finance.

Equalization Entitlements – (2005-06)
($ millions)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PEI-----NB----NL----NS----MB-----QC----BC---SK----Total
277---1,348--861--1,344--1,601--4,798--590---82----10,900

http://www.fin.gc.ca/FEDPROV/eqpe.html

As it sits Quebec gets almost half of the equalization payments. Especially since BC and SK are no longer going to be getting money going forward.

thank you

Originally Posted by ssiguy2
McGuinty just wants his fair share due to being completly drained by the feds and yet most of the money goes to Quebec.

so most of the 23B Ontario is claiming is going to Quebec?

4.7B / 23 B........

What I would say is that Ontario is paying the Federal machine located in Ottawa, all those salaries paid, ... if that machine would mind its own buisness and let the provinces do what they have to do, it would be much smaller and wouldn't need all that money to run!

Why don't Canada kick the maritimes and the territories first since they cost way more in reality than Quebec? :bash:

 

[azzurri.chris]

As an Anglophone Quebecer, who would usually do ANYTHING for a United Canada, and a Quebec within a United Canada, I can't help but feel that Quebec doesn't even deserve to be a part of Canada anymore. To think, the province of Quebec is actually a threat to Canada. We keep making crazy demands, and if Canada doesn't meet those demands, we threaten to seperate. That's just horrible. Plus, don't get me started on the Anti-English laws we have here in Quebec. You know what...salut la visite...ciao Quebec, you don't deserve to be a part of this beautiful country we call Canada. Get out! Maybe its just my emotions talking, but enough is enough already. We have to treat ALL provinces fairly. If Quebec can't accept that, then so be it.

 

[malek]

thats because you don't get it.

Surely it sounds as if Quebec is special because its a province between many others.
But in reality there's 2 entities in Canada, English Canada (ROC) and French Canada (Quebec). Sure English Canada has outgrown Quebec, yes there's more English than French people, but does that mean that the French have no right to ask? Whats the purpose of democracy then?

Moreover, most of the demands by Quebec are about the federal govt not minding its own buisness. There's something called the constitution where duties have been seperated between the federal and provincial levels. After the great wars, the federal took over some of the provincials duties without ever giving them back even tho he's not permitted to do so in the constitution.

edited for content by moderation.

 

[malek]

hahaha whatever man. do what you please, but hurry up, the Palazzo closes in 3 hours. :wave:

 

[azzurri.chris]

Man I don't even know what the Palazzo is!

 

[malek]

minchia! club where all the 17yrs old Italians go

 

[LooselogInThePeg]

I've always been all for a united Canada. I'm rethinking that though. Personally, I say we treat Quebec the same as any other province and let them decide if they want to stay or go. Sure, there's a pretty big chance they'll go but you know what...fine, go then. It's not about the money, that's just the way confederation works (besides, my own province is a drain on the national coffers so I'd be a hypocrite if I bitched about Quebec getting any equalization cash) I'm just really sick of hearing about the threats from Quebec as is the rest of Canada. Yeah, I'd definitely prefer it if they stayed but frankly, if they want to ditch they can go right ahead. In the long run they'd be ruined (one reason I don't want to see them go) and we'd be better off. But like I said, I'd prefer if they stayed.

 

[azzurri.chris]

minchia! club where all the 17yrs old Italians go

Ok yeah, we got a few of those here in Montreal too.

 

[azzurri.chris]

I've always been all for a united Canada. I'm rethinking that though. Personally, I say we treat Quebec the same as any other province and let them decide if they want to stay or go. Sure, there's a pretty big chance they'll go but you know what...fine, go then. It's not about the money, that's just the way confederation works (besides, my own province is a drain on the national coffers so I'd be a hypocrite if I bitched about Quebec getting any equalization cash) I'm just really sick of hearing about the threats from Quebec as is the rest of Canada. Yeah, I'd definitely prefer it if they stayed but frankly, if they want to ditch they can go right ahead. In the long run they'd be ruined (one reason I don't want to see them go) and we'd be better off. But like I said, I'd prefer if they stayed.

I agree. I'm just tired of the constant threat that is hurting out country. Stop pleasing Quebecers by giving the province special treatment. If they want to stay, stay. But if they want to leave, go ahead, we're tired of the constant bitching. I just hope that somehow, communities that want to stay as a part of Canada get the chance to stay. If regions of Quebec want to break off from Quebec and stay a part of Canada, they should be given that right.

Lastly, I hope that if Quebec does vote "YES", that it is more complete independance. If you want to leave, then leave COMPLETELY.

 

[malek]

I've always been all for a united Canada. I'm rethinking that though. Personally, I say we treat Quebec the same as any other province and let them decide if they want to stay or go. Sure, there's a pretty big chance they'll go but you know what...fine, go then. It's not about the money, that's just the way confederation works (besides, my own province is a drain on the national coffers so I'd be a hypocrite if I bitched about Quebec getting any equalization cash) I'm just really sick of hearing about the threats from Quebec as is the rest of Canada. Yeah, I'd definitely prefer it if they stayed but frankly, if they want to ditch they can go right ahead. In the long run they'd be ruined (one reason I don't want to see them go) and we'd be better off. But like I said, I'd prefer if they stayed.

why would they be ruined? sure its gonna cost alot of money creating a new country, there will be some companies moving out for sure at the beginning...

but then, Quebec generaly speaking is a rich state, it has plenty of resources, is a service oriented economy and is a net exporter.

We won't have uncertainty on either side of the border ever. People will be focused on their buisnesses and their lives, not the political fiasco that is Canada.

 

[malek]

I agree. I'm just tired of the constant threat that is hurting out country. Stop pleasing Quebecers by giving the province special treatment. If they want to stay, stay. But if they want to leave, go ahead, we're tired of the constant bitching. I just hope that somehow, communities that want to stay as a part of Canada get the chance to stay. If regions of Quebec want to break off from Quebec and stay a part of Canada, they should be given that right.

Lastly, I hope that if Quebec does vote "YES", that it is more complete independance. If you want to leave, then leave COMPLETELY.

wishful thinking.

 

[ssiguy2]

TRUE^^^^^^
Many major corps would leave not the least AirCanada and RoyalBank. All federal govt offices. Quebec is well known in Canada for its progressive social laws and sexual attitudes. That said Quebec is also know as being amongst the most racist province in the country. Some Quebecers don't even consider you truly Quebecer unless you a franco-phone. The Parti-Quebecois is openly racist and blames the inability to separate the fault of the anglo/allophones.
A lot of them will up and move. It didn't take near that for all that Toronto bound 401 traffic in the 70s. Many will be forced to move.
Quebec gets a lot of money from the feds equalisation and federal largesse and head offices. IE Hull.
Quebec's economy would definatly shrink. Most of the people who would leave are the higher income ones {eg West Islanders} and civil servants. They are well educated and skilled. Many Quebecers would leave if nothing else due to the economic problems and many just because they want to stay in Canada. Taking a waklk with one quarter of the national debt and then having to service it with a shrinking economy and population base will be VERY difficult.
Will she come around, of course but a lot poorer than she was.
Quebecerts seem to think that Canadians will discuss things logically and the generous....wrong. Canadians will not be in a forgiving mood. No bedromm previledges.
It will be all or nothin. Free trade and open borders of course, but no Cdn passport, dollar, equalisation, and all their portion of the debt[which the separatists have already agreed to}.
I love Quebec but for the sake of the nation I'm starting, but not yet sure, if its time to just say goodbye and call it a day before Alb/BC strike out on their own and NFLD as well with its new oil. For the sake of the nation it maybe time to break her up.
Afterall, if the Ontario economy went right into the tank and became a haveNOT province, how many here think Quebec would gleefully start sending equalisation the otherway.
I love duality of this country and our ties, of course, would still be strong but maybe its time we called it a day.

I knew a guy in Quebec and he was a separitist. He loved Canada and all Quebecers do. Poll after poll have shown that. The most recent stated that 94% of all Quebecers thought Canada was the best country in the world.
Maybe he was right, we would make better friends than lovers.

 

[rt_0891]

lol. The rest of the country should hold a referendum on whether we should release ourselves from the griphold of Quebec...

Quebec out now!