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Yea it looks very good. The land behind would then be ripe for something taller to step up the bank
I wish, but it's been established by the application for Calder's Yard that there will be no tall buildings permitted as this is within the sight lines of looking down Grainger Street.

Which isn't the end of the world, they can still go 10-12 storeys and hopefully block that hideously scaled Jury's inn development on Scotswood road.

I'm excited about the potential for city scale 5-12 storey buildings of high quality built around this area. After the engorgement of student residential by some terrible architectural outfits some good quality resi is what is needed.

Tall buildings can still be around this area, personally I think something on the Grosvenor Casino site would give a sense of arrival for Redheugh and bookend SJB with height.

Getting carried away... Imagine then a linear Park in front of Discovery Museum, up to Westgate Road, surrounded by high rise of HT, Helix and Redheugh arrival. We'd feel like a proper major city then!
 

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Not sure if this has been posted before but found some news/renders from Olympian homes website on the Forth yards site south of Pottery lane. See link below.

https://olympianhomes.com/news/contracts-exchanged-to-acquire-land-at-pottery-lane-newcastle
This post by Den 86 Now states that a planning application was submitted to Newcastle city council on Monday 13th December There is a new render from pottery lane and it looks excellent. Perhaps Den86 would like to post the render as he was the first with the post. cheers
 

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Is that the land immediately to the right of Redheugh Bridge or the land at old Cemex yard ?
The photo or render appears to have old stone buildings surrounding it so im assuming it might be Cemex next to train bridge. But Olympian show other renders which can only be the Redheugh section of land. Maybe the new image needs flipped horizontally
 

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The new render must be showing the rear elevation then. This design seems to fit it more naturally, despite not seeing all proposed elevations yet. But it does not seem to have design appearance issues, which are apparent at Calders Yard project, at the Arena car park elevation which makes me think of a flat, dull, charachterless design, this might only be a temporary view once that land is free & developed though.
 

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Yes but after planning, maybe tendering process unless using a dedicated main contractor. Indicated time frames tend to be longer than estimates.
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The quicker the derelicts areas at Tyne Banks are under construction, the better. All of them that is.
 

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Site Bounded To The North By Pottery Lane To The East By The King Eward Railway Bridge And Forth Banks To The South Newcastle, 2 blocks of residential accommodation, 525 units - Planning Application

Arrived on NCC Planning Portal on 20/01/20, in list beginning 12/01/20

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2020/0056/01/DET

Erection of 2 blocks of residential accommodation comprising Block 1 307 units (PRS/Class C3), Block 2, 218 units (Private residential) Class C3) including landscaping, new public footpath, access and 56 no car parking spaces

Site Bounded To The North By Pottery Lane To The East By The King Eward Railway Bridge And Forth Banks To The South Newcastle upon Tyne

Application Validated - Mon 13 Jan 2020

Status - Registered

https://publicaccessapplications.newcastle.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?keyVal=Q2CL05BS05100&activeTab=summary


The area is this, pictures by myself from 18/01/20








Not sure this scheme will fit in with "overall site" proposals noted on posts #198 - 200 on https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=983200&page=10 across on the Calders Yard thread

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Arrived on NCC Planning Portal on 20/01/20, in list beginning 12/01/20

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2020/0056/01/DET

Erection of 2 blocks of residential accommodation comprising Block 1 307 units (PRS/Class C3), Block 2, 218 units (Private residential) Class C3) including landscaping, new public footpath, access and 56 no car parking spaces

Site Bounded To The North By Pottery Lane To The East By The King Eward Railway Bridge And Forth Banks To The South Newcastle upon Tyne

Application Validated - Mon 13 Jan 2020

Status - Registered

https://publicaccessapplications.newcastle.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?keyVal=Q2CL05BS05100&activeTab=summary


The area is this, pictures by myself from 18/01/20








Not sure this scheme will fit in with "overall site" proposals noted on posts #198 - 200 on https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=983200&page=10 across on the Calders Yard thread

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Ken,
compiling all the potential developments within that area on one thread might not be the best way. It is similar to combining Helix with Strawberry Place, there are many developers, architects and others involved in each single project.
Forth Banks is for 525 residential units alone, previous threads of this scale seem to all have had their own listings. Maybe too much information, within one thread, may be the result and indexing might be awkward.
 

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Full planning application for this development is now on Newcastle planning week beginning 12/1/ 2020.
Errection of 2 blocks of residential accommodation comprising block 1' 307 units (prs| class 2. block 2 218 units ( private residential ) class3 including landscaping, new public footpath access and 56 no car parking spaces

Site bounded to the north by pottery lane to the east by king Edward bridge and forth banks to the south Newcastle upon tyne.

ref no 2020/0056/01/det|received thu 05 dec 2019 validated 13th Jan 2020| status registered. There are 86 documents in this application. The usual guillotining of elevations has taken place. 525 units in total .
 

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This scheme is fairly inoffensive, 'nuff said.

The problem moreso is the lack of NCC visioning. All of the 'Forth and beyond' developments could really have done with more connections, routes and nodes to vary the urban fabric a little more.

I fear this part of the city will be a series of enclosed, inward looking developments with no overall narrative that doesn't benefit the city beyond its red line boundaries.

For example, from Forth Street to the Helipad, we are destined for a series of apartment blocks of varying scales and shapes, but fundamentally identical repeat unit layouts. This is all frankly a bit 'East Berlin'. I'd have liked to have seen more high rise on the city side, lowering to townhouses with streets and gardens on the other, to vary the tenure and diversity of demographics occupying the site.

There also exists railway arches, vaults and awkward plots of land that would have benefitted from quirky commercial development to emphasise a bit more character of the area.

It's not jagged roofs or nice brick textures that create great places to live, it's the differences of activity and people that does.

NCC planning keep letting us down.
 

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South of Pottery Lane has grown into an attractive birch woodland. We remember it as Browns Foundry Yard - or similar. The ground is probably contaminated and should remain as urban woodland. When the young trees are cleared - probably en masse - there will be no protestors. Nobody will complain.

Quote "It's not jagged roofs or nice brick textures that create great places to live, it's the differences of activity and people that does. NCC planning keep letting us down". In the country the trees would attract deer and fungi. Better to clear fell and forget them!
 

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South of Pottery Lane has grown into an attractive birch woodland. We remember it as Browns Foundry Yard - or similar. The ground is probably contaminated and should remain as urban woodland. When the young trees are cleared - probably en masse - there will be no protestors. Nobody will complain.

Quote "It's not jagged roofs or nice brick textures that create great places to live, it's the differences of activity and people that does. NCC planning keep letting us down". In the country the trees would attract deer and fungi. Better to clear fell and forget them!
"No, sir, I do not bite my thumb at you, sir, but I bite my thumb, sir."


How would the deer and other fauna make their way via miles of urban development to this specific site to enjoy the trees one asks?

One day, thanks to climate change, it's likely the Earth will be freed from the devastation of it's human herpes. All of Newcastle city centre will slowly return to its natural state, with deers, wolves, and bears fighting on a Friday night in the crumbling remains of the Bigg Market. Trees will eventually break through the macadam floor and rhododendrons will feed from the mortar and pull apart the masonry. Monsoon rains will wash away our bridges, and monkeys will swing around the crumbled remains of the Tyne Bridge twisted into a skeletal ball further downstream.

But until then, while us humans are still around, maybe we should focus the intensity of development on certain areas, so that other, larger areas can be freed to enjoy a bit biodiversity or allocate land to feed ourselves.

Forth Banks is shaping up to be a combined development of 250-500 dwellings per hectare. This is a damn sight better than measly, expansive suburban development of 30 dwellings per hectare like Great Park (what an irony for its name), and Tyneside spreading ever further out into farmland and woodland.

People need space to live. Councils HAVE to allow housing because of this. People are migrating from the economically poorer former coalfield regions to the City Centres. Look up the figures. More people are living independently, more people are getting older. More people are finding that the 3 bed semi Leech home is not really what they need. They don't want to have to get the car out just to buy a pint of milk, or sit in a traffic jam to get to work or sleep surrounded by empty rooms.

Let's instead talk (probably on another thread) about how to maintain a certain level of greenery in Newcastle. A few grotty banks aside, theres a dearth of well planted urban trees or green spaces/routes. Would the Town Moor benefit from a forest? Anyone remember that amazing botanical garden bridge scheme that went knowhere? Let's talk about Sheffield and Singapore and how they have introduced greenery into their cities and whether they can be applied to Newcastle instead.

City living, although not for everyone (and there certainly should be more diversity on offer... its not perfect) is far more sustainable than a. building out the suburbs, or b. blindly ignoring one immediate crisis to satiate one millimetre of another ongoing catastrophe.
 

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The criteria of Tyne Gorge does not offer city scape, hence, many low rise projects evolve. This can cause a featureless skyline, unlike Helix area, where variation of views deflect away from blandness. Some like it, other do not.
One thing for sure, more developments need to be built upwards, habitat loss for all animals is the result of projects like Great park. I am residing at Oxford, each day I have to drive through Henley On Thames, one stretch of road has many roadside kills, deer lying everywhere, broken necks and carcasses from trying to cross the roads, I took photos the other day.
Humans are the worst species, there are 2 billion to many on earth, now greedy, narrow minded humans build many houses solely for immigrants. People have no concern or thought towards wildlife, preference thinks dingys full of African, Asian and other ethnics are better than natural habitat and animals, this is sadly wrong. I wake up back home and can track and see deer all around me, I regulate the countryside so defenceless animals can survive, whilst predators do not prevail, balance is the act.
 

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Hundreds of flats with Tyne views could be built in in south of Pottery Lane, Newcastle scheme & nearby

Another Chronicle Live website article, from 22/01/20 in south of Pottery Lane, Newcastle scheme of two apartment blocks

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Hundreds of flats with Tyne views could be built in Newcastle city centre

Plans have been submitted to build 525 apartments at Pottery Lane, close to Newcastle Arena

Planning documents for this latest scheme say: “The aim is to reinstate life on this derelict site and create a place that will make a positive addition to Pottery Lane and the Forth Yards area with an active street frontage and enhanced pedestrian route from Pottery Lane to Shot Factory Lane.

“At the heart of the design proposal will be considerable improvement and development of the site’s landscaping, which has been left unattended and inaccessible for many years.


Full article on https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/hundreds-flats-tyne-views-could-17613882

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CPRE would like us to build on all brownfield sites, in preference to the greenbelt, but won't acknowledge how badly contaminated many of them are. There is a figure for the heavy metals that is the limit for home construction. So many parts per million of toxin Y and you can't build there. I know the number for lead and I know that it is simply ignored or bypassed. If it were strictly followed there would no new build homes in most English cities. Full stop.

Browns Foundry Yard is irregularly polluted by the mineral salts that are added to the molten iron mix, such as Manganese, Vanadium and Chromium. This is entirely hearsay and I should need to watch the sampling taking place to have trust in any purported figures. The unusual pioneer vegetation on this site indicates disturbed soil chemistry - the ground is certainly quite acidic and nutrient poor.

Below about 1g/kg soil dry matter lead acts as a fertiliser. (Technically a soil conditioner - the plants 'read' it as calcium). This is why the Ouseburn looks so glorious in June. Above a certain level of soil lead then seed germination is slowed or stopped and it is very noticeable that at Calders Yard the ground is still bare ten years after the buildings were cleared. Without the dreadful contamination it should now be thriving pioneer woodland (like Browns). Perhaps the greatest risk will be to the groundworkers on the site and to the builders as when the people move into the flats, or whatever, the bare contaminated ground will mostly be covered over and so made safe. There will be talk of 'remediation' but, short of paring the ground back to boulder clay what can they do? (BS, is what they *will* do).

Sadly, Global Warming appears to be runaway - exponential - and it certainly appears this way in the Arctic. The endpoint of that is Mars and there's a correct term for the process (it's not Marsification). It's quite disturbing already and I dread to think what will happen when this view is accepted widely.
 
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