Friendly?

Taiwan, obviously is warmly welcome to all foreigner but not friendly enough through in honestly caused being neglet from sound of mutual understanding and interaction btw as mainly as lacking of the efficient in communicating with second international language- English together with knowledgeable on internationally both on cultural and common sense respectively, especial in the arising at the rural, sourthern and eastern part of Taiwan for the larger scale even at metropolis to the youth themselves inevitably

But we all come to an amicable hospitality as we can ubiquitously

Isan said:

Taiwan, obviously is warmly welcome to all foreigner but not friendly enough through in honestly caused being neglet from sound of mutual understanding and interaction btw as mainly as lacking of the efficient in communicating with second international language- English together with knowledgeable on internationally both on cultural and common sense respectively, especial in the arising at the rural, sourthern and eastern part of Taiwan for the larger scale even at metropolis to the youth themselves inevitably

But we all come to an amicable hospitality as we can ubiquitously

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Lol I need translation plz. :jk:

There are lots of foreigners who work in Taiwan, but it depends on what field you want to get a job in, your education, and where you are from.

Magician said:

I don't think I have the problem at all... Coz I can speak Mandarin and Hokkien... wuahahah

Just that... how to grab a chance to be working there... mmm.. tought question

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If you speak the language then you're already one step ahead of all of your competitors

Just make sure you apply with the government and get some sort of working license (I'm not sure how that works as I was born and raised in Taiwan).

Magician said:

I don't think I have the problem at all... Coz I can speak Mandarin and Hokkien... wuahahah

Just that... how to grab a chance to be working there... mmm.. tought question

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I don't think it's easy to get a job (for a foreigner) in Taiwan unless you teach English (that is, American English). But then again, normally the employers would prefer a caucasian from an english speaking country, especially from the United States or Canada. One of the easier ways to get in to Taiwan, I think, is to set up a business there. Alternatively, you can study there and build some networks during your stay.

Lastresorter said:

I don't think it's easy to get a job (for a foreigner) in Taiwan unless you teach English (that is, American English). But then again, normally the employers would prefer a caucasian from an english speaking country, especially from the United States or Canada. One of the easier ways to get in to Taiwan, I think, is to set up a business there. Alternatively, you can study there and build some networks during your stay.

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Yeah, if you think it's difficult to get a high-paying job as a minority/foreigner in the U.S., it's probably ten times as hard in most countries around the world, including Taiwan, where the population is more homogenous. That is unless you work for a foreign company and was sent to that specific country as a specialist.

As for teaching English, it's the same throughout Asia, most schools won't even accept non-Caucasian teachers. It's not so much that the schools are racist, it's the parents who send their children to the schools. The parents spend butt load of money hoping their children could learn proper English, they certainly wouldn't like it if their children were learning from say a fellow Asian, black, or even non-blonde hair/blue eye Caucasians. It's funny that an Irish, for example, who barely speaks proper English has a better chance of getting a English-teaching job in Asia than an American-born Asian.

BTW, in Taiwan, most foreigners, namely Vietnamese, Malaysians, Indonesians and Filipinos have blue collar positions... but of course, there are always exceptions.

It's fairly easy to find a job in Taiwan - especially in the tech sector. The employment guidelines are based on a ratio to local employees per foreigner. In other words, the bigger the company the more foreigners. TSMC, China Airlines, EVA all have foreign advisors, technical supervisors, writers etc. If you can speak Mandarin, but don't have much of a resume, you could always focus on smaller manufacturers that are looking to expand their international presence. As far as opening your own business, you should be aware that the DPP government has closed a lot of the loopholes that once allowed people - foreigners - to open there own companies without proper capitalization.

superchan7 said:

1) Speak Mandarin
2) Don't get too politically passionate if you're not sure of your companions' views =P
3) Speaking Taiwanese could be a bonus...?

I'd probably set at least the first two guidelines for myself when I do get to Taiwan...besides that you should be received pretty well.

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Speaking Taiwanese could be a bonus......but certainly not a deal breaker. Politics and social occasions aside, Mandarin is certainly the language of business.

tr said:

Speaking Taiwanese could be a bonus......but certainly not a deal breaker. Politics and social occasions aside, Mandarin is certainly the language of business.

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Speaking Taiwanese is only a bonus if you deal with hardcore TIers who simply refuse to speak Mandarin due to their "pride"...

But like tr said, despite of all the recent TI movements, Mandarin remains the language of business.

But knowing Taiwanese certainly won't hurt.

Sen said:

i always think the best way to work in taiwan(or any homogenous asian country) is that you work for a company in your home country and ask to be sent to taiwan as company representative or whatever.

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That's the best way to work in a foreign country, ANYWHERE because it's less likely that you'll be discriminated against and also probably don't need to spend as much time adjusting to a new working environment. But if you want to work for a company of your home country then what's the point of moving elsewhere?

I must correct u =.="

Pangu said:

Speaking Taiwanese is only a bonus if you deal with hardcore TIers who simply refuse to speak Mandarin due to their "pride"...

But like tr said, despite of all the recent TI movements, Mandarin remains the language of business.

But knowing Taiwanese certainly won't hurt.


That's the best way to work in a foreign country, ANYWHERE because it's less likely that you'll be discriminated against and also probably don't need to spend as much time adjusting to a new working environment. But if you want to work for a company of your home country then what's the point of moving elsewhere?

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Sorry, pangu! But, I must correct u on this statement!

>>Speaking Taiwanese is only a bonus if you deal with hardcore TIers who simply refuse to speak Mandarin due to their "pride"...

It is rather minority in Taiwan for Pro-TI southerns to NOT to speak chinese due to their pride since, most if not all the classes are been taught in chinese.

On the other hands, how can one justify the fact that many of Chinese that were born in Taiwan and live in Taiwan for most of their lifes refuse to learn taiwanese. Speaking of "pride", I sincerely hope you don't fall into that category. Since, that is mostly due to tyrant and pride of KMT followers residing over the last half of the century.

One thing that u should also understand due to my observation of your posts, Taiwan only has 3% of farmers and they are all over taiwan, not just in the south. Southeners are very well informed of what's going on. Afterall, the island is only the size of Maryland State in USA. Whenever holidays, all the sons and daughters of southeners return home from taipei.

He who likes to categorized North or South, must understand that due to KMT's developement over northern taiwan. More people live there due to IMMIGRATION from all over Taiwan. Most of the north as well as Taipei is still filled with Fukien Taiwanese like me. Taipei 4 to 1 ratio chinese taiwanese vs. Fukien taiwanese and elsewhere in taiwan is 8 to 1.

As I said before, I would like to forgive about the past tyrant ruling of KMT. However, one should not forget the truth. This is Taiwanese Skyscraper forum and I "try" to keep at that.

As I said numerous times, I do not like to get into politic. Nevertheless, I refrained myself from making politic statement only to reveal when I see neccessary.

I firmely believe that as long as your heart is for the good of Taiwan. Regardless you are chinese taiwanese or Fukien Taiwanese like me. You are a true Taiwanese!

Appology is extended if my wordings have offended anyone here on the board!

kidd said:

It is rather minority in Taiwan for Pro-TI southerns to NOT to speak chinese due to their pride since, most if not all the classes are been taught in chinese.

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Please use the term "Mandarin" instead of "Chinese" because otherwise you're saying the Taiwanese dialect isn't part of the Chinese language But if you DO feel that way then we have a whole other issue to worry about...

kidd said:

On the other hands, how can one justify the fact that many of Chinese that were born in Taiwan and live in Taiwan for most of their lifes refuse to learn taiwanese. Speaking of "pride", I sincerely hope you don't fall into that category. Since, that is mostly due to tyrant and pride of KMT followers residing over the last half of the century.

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You justify it the same way you justify why hundreds of millions of Americans don't speak any of the Native-American languages. Caucasians rule the country so they don't have to bow to no one. It WAS the same case for Taiwan but not anymore though. The pro-TI DPP is rapidly "de-Sinicizing" the island of Taiwan...

I learned Mandarin in school and no one in my family speak Taiwanese. I left Taiwan when I was 10 and never felt that it was necessary for me to learn Taiwanese. It's not as if I NEEDED to learn Taiwanese and I refused it...

kidd said:

One thing that u should also understand due to my observation of your posts, Taiwan only has 3% of farmers and they are all over taiwan, not just in the south. Southeners are very well informed of what's going on. Afterall, the island is only the size of Maryland State in USA. Whenever holidays, all the sons and daughters of southeners return home from taipei.

He who likes to categorized North or South, must understand that due to KMT's developement over northern taiwan. More people live there due to IMMIGRATION from all over Taiwan. Most of the north as well as Taipei is still filled with Fukien Taiwanese like me. Taipei 4 to 1 ratio chinese taiwanese vs. Fukien taiwanese and elsewhere in taiwan is 8 to 1.

As I said before, I would like to forgive about the past tyrant ruling of KMT. However, one should not forget the truth. This is Taiwanese Skyscraper forum and I "try" to keep at that.

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Yes this is the "Taiwanese Skyscraper Forum" but it's under the "Greater China Skyscraper Forum", don't forget that.

You also should not be using the terms "Chinese" and "Taiwanese" side by side, that's like using "American" and "Texan" as separate, but equal identities when they are not. Of course, if you are a TIer then you obviously don't think so... and if you are indeed a TIer then I have no interest in discussing any TI-related issues with you as at least 40 - 50% of the Taiwanese population are pro-TI and it isn't hard to find people like tthat.

kidd said:

As I said numerous times, I do not like to get into politic. Nevertheless, I refrained myself from making politic statement only to reveal when I see neccessary.

I firmely believe that as long as your heart is for the good of Taiwan. Regardless you are chinese taiwanese or Fukien Taiwanese like me. You are a true Taiwanese!

Appology is extended if my wordings have offended anyone here on the board!

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I agree that it's important that one loves Taiwan. Heck, I was born and raised there and most of my family still live there.

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As for north vs south, it is a fact that southern Taiwan tend to have more TI & DPP supporters. Just look at the vote results.

Do not try to impose your China view on me here!!!!

All I can say to pangu is that I started reply this thread because u brought up that some TI taiwanese are pride not to use chinese. When in fact, it is the other way around for most of the past 50 years. Do you know how many chinese taiwanese that are 50 year old, BORN and grew up in Taiwan's environment that do not speak taiwanese at all? Now, you tell me that you left taiwan at 10, my question to you is.. had you stay in Taiwan, would you have tried to learn to speak taiwanese? Be honest? Do not use the case of Native Indian and Caucasian vs. Taiwan's situation, since majority of taiwan speaks taiwanese as their mother tongue until 1949 when tyrant KMT came alone!! And most but not least, please stop picking on TI people when I can tell you that TI doesn't mean u are no longer chinese, it's like sigaporean would still consider themselves chinese as well as sigaporean. Why and What is the essense of TI since you like to mention "TI" all the time?

I am 30 year old. Do you know how I grow up in the south by being punished under KMT government in School if I sliped my tongue and speak taiwanese? From face slaps to capital punishment to... (you can't imagine how southern kids grow up!!) How many million of kids grew up not able to speak taiwanese due the tyrant KMT's government control?

Last but not the least, as the 1st taiwanese forumer here who is the citizen of taiwan carrying ONLY taiwanese passport. Also as one of the earliest taiwanese forumers here that truely enjoyed skyscraper and city development of my hometown = my home is still in taiwan and all my family lives there!. I am extremely sadden to say that this forum is turning more and more politically oriented as time goes by.

Nontheless, if you feel that by posting here, you are "under" china by any means, then I am sorry. I want no part in this forum. Since politic doesn't mix with my skyscraper interest. The fact of the matter is Taiwan is taiwan and china is china and still is today. Two seperate entity governed by 2 different system of governments whether you like it or not.

So, since u pangu as a new moderator here telling me that: "Yes this is the "Taiwanese Skyscraper Forum" but it's under the "Greater China Skyscraper Forum", don't forget that."?? , as a newly elected moderator by ??? OK, I respect your authority, I guess it's time for me to quit after years of dedication here. And all these time, I thought I was under Da Chunghwa not China... based on the agreement that we've made a year ago? Just so you know, I firmly believed that as a moderator, one should never impose his/her pan-blue or pan-green views on others! Since this is not a political forum.

I post regularly both at SCC and SCP for many years.. I never have problem until I encountered patriots who only understood the "superficial" of taiwan politic. My concern is always the well being and development of the city and the taiwanese people. Yes, I am sadden by the fact that many of you are not old enough to know what you are talking about and only see things lopsided I am actually old enough to live through the late stage of political turmoil of taiwan and be pretty neutral about the whole situation.

I hope there are more older Taiwanese here...

Sen said:

kidd, if you are a member of the legislature, do you have to be fluent in both hokkein and mandarin?

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Before 1990, even though Chiang's son died at 1989, NO ONE in taiwan will dare to speak in congress other than mandarin. The KEY here is not if you can speak, but rather, were u or are you allowed to!! After his son died, the lift of matial law enables senators to speak any language they prefer in congress, there is no language requirement nowadays.

Sighing.... You guys are too young to talk about politics in Taiwan. I don't claim myself an expert. But, let me tell you guys a story, a true story....since u like to talk TI, KMT..or whatever politics... here goes:

In 1980's, my classmate's dad in elementary school accidentally complaint about the mandatory political class that he has to write report to everyweek is too much work.(back then to obtain most of the decent jobs REQUIRES joining KMT and write reports to prove your loyalty on routine basis). That happened during her 2nd grade with me, the next time she saw her dad again in real life, we were about to graduated. Just for 1 little sentence complaining about useless politcal brain wash class, he "dissappeared" for 4 years!

If you have not lived through or grow up during the "white terror" period which lasted 50 years under KMT in Taiwan. You do not have any right or clue of what I am talking about.

I don't talk about politics much doesn't mean that I am not interested or I don't know. This is skyscraper forum and I tried to remind myself that. Most of all, you guys are too young to really appreciate politic or have any legit discussion of what really going on. If you guys really so wish to share your political views here, I sincerely invite any above 30 year old guys from taiwan to have an intellectural converation about politic with OPEN MIND! And make this a political thread for intellectural use!

Q1, Why did A-Bian win presidency in Taiwan in 2000? What were the deciding factors which ensured his winning?

Q2, Does Mayor Ma interested in winning Taiwanese presidency in 2008? If so, what steps should he take now?

Q3 Why is PFP working alone side DPP not KMT now? Why is KMT losing support of PFP? Will PFP working with KMT again, if and when?

Q4 What's the significant of be the 1st offical to contact China from any party in Taiwan? Is it important? If so, in what way?

Q5 Why are there 2 candidates in KMT running for chairperson spot now? What's the significant of it? Will this create a seperation inside the party?

Just so that you guys know, these are all I consider very "basic" Qs off my head in understanding taiwanese politics that most of taiwanese guys over age 25 can give u answers right away!!... =.="

If you want, I can post many more indepth political questions so that it's no longer TI or not TI, pro-unify or not unify, KMT sucks or no KMT is great, DPP sucks or great, china is going to bomb u, taking over you, blah blah WWIII...etc...etc...

Answer these basic Qs then, I should know if we can have a good political conversation. or you are just a "follower" in politic who are in great danger to be used by the politician at anytime. What's in your mind?