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Given there was an article in the GC Bulletin today on GC transport option's I thought I'd start a thread similar to the Townsville one.

Heres the main options: (Sorry about the size but didnt want to loose detail



I don't think light rail will work. There just is not enough room at street level. Also I think the noise will kill elevated rail. I think a subway would be ideal, but that is never going to happen given the cost.

I very much support the people pod idea. I don't think privacy would be that much of concern, given that you see an awful lot into a person's appartment from ground level, so being 1 story up won't make much of a difference!
 

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Wow.... this thread has turned out to be even more popular then I thought it would be!!!! :runaway:

It's probablly best if a mod moved it to "Gold Coast News" to save it from being completly ignored. :)
 

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i would like people pods that only fit 4 or 5 ppl in them so you dont have to stop every where only at your destination and a tunnel under surfers would me ok but take too long to build but it would be worth it
 

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I think the ferries are an excellent idea, There is so much room available next to bridges and the like for small terminals, and there certainly is no shortage of bridges to locate the terminals at. There are also plenty of popular sites on the canals and rivers such as Pac Fair, Casino, Convention Centre, Multiple resorts, Across from ConC, Seaworld just to name a few.

I also think light rail would be ideal for the gold coast as it could have dedicated tracks (like Adelaide) and use existing Streets. The Gold Coast has a fantastic road network, most similar to Canberra IMO, so I think if the layout was done correctly it could work very well.

In my opinion there are certain areas that would benefit from having tunnels, they are the Gold Coast Hwy thru Broadbeach, thus reducing the cut in half effect this road has on one of its top locations. I think a tunnel undersurfers would be benefitial to pull through traffic out of the most congested part of the coast. And on the northside a tunnel from Smith St near Griffith Uni to the G.C Hwy in front of Australia Fair. Finishing the Tugun Bypass, a tunnel under Burleigh Heads and a flyover or cutout at the intersection of Bundall Rd and Hooker Bvd would also make a big difference IMO.
 

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I like the monorail, it's always an attraction of tourists. But make it a next gen monorail. What'd really like is Mag-lev, but a touch on the pricey side:p Light rail is also fine.

Tunnel is silly, tourist won't see anything in a tunnel and this is a tourist town.

The pods are just plain silly and the big bus, well you can just picture some big fat bus sitting stuck in traffice in Surfers, engines churning out noise, no thanks.

Ferries are a fantastic idea as well, the waterways are completely under utilised.
 

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Locke how is a tunnel silly? If I was a tourist on the Gold Coast, I would rather take a tunnel and get to my hotel faster than be stuck in a traffic with the taxi meter rising. If I was a tourist, I would much rather be able to enjoy a pedestrian friendly area between the beach and the Casino/Convention Centre in Broadbeach. If I was a tourist, I wouldnt be missing anything of interest between Smith St and G.C Hwy. Your comment makes sense for a tunnel going under Surfers, but there wouldn't be anything to stop you from taking the existing roads through surfers if you wanted.
 

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Fair enough, what I'm getting is that for public transport, why be stuck in traffic and go under it when you can go above it on a monorail just as easily. You could twist your way past the Oracle, Elite, Q1, Soul etc with a beautiful view of the beach on one side and canals on the other.
 

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Wow replies lol!

A tunnel wouldn't be hard...the one proposed was to cut and cover under the existing roadway. The tunnel would only need to be about 2.4 km long ... here is a quick diagram i did of the proposed route.


The Gold Coast is more then just a tourist town now, it’s the 6th largest city in Australia with a population over 500,000. The current roadwork improvement project as helped, but getting from Southport to Surfers at 5pm is still a nightmare with traffic, I don't want to imagine what it will be like in 10 years time!

I'd also love to see a landmark bridge built instead of the Sundale Bridge at Southport. The bridge needs to be allot wider for traffic and higher to allow bigger boats into the canal system :) Could you imagine what it would be like crossing the landmark bridge with all the towers in the background!!!! But building this would be a nightmare.

As for light rail, I just don't think it would work. There isn't enough room and I'd hate to see all the above wires such a system would bring. A monorail or elevated rail would be far to noisy. That’s why I think the smaller pods are perfect! Hopefully they would be quieter and would not be visually intrusive. Definitely a 21st Century technology! :)

I'm all for ferries ...does anybody remember the Kitty Kat experiment in Brisbane? I think they would perfect for the Gold Coast! As long as the fairs are not too expensive. Does anybody know how much the City Cat costs from Hamilton to the city? The only problem is the 6 knot speed limit in the canal and the possible was these ferries would cause.

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I rode a people pod ("personal rapid transit") in Morgantown, Pennsylvania, that was equipped with a concrete bed like the renderings above. Morgantown's small network's about 35 years old. I can't tell how the pods shown above would be any faster than Morgantown's, where the max speed seemed to be only 25KPH, if that.

Any system ought to be equipped with some means of easy, swift evacuation -- neither the monorail nor the pods above shows a gangway where the passengers can safely trek in the event of an emergency.

I imagine trams with raised platforms (like L.A.'s or Calgary's) would best suit budget-wise for a city the size of Brisbane (the city's Brisbane, right, not Gold Coast?)

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I imagine trams with raised platforms (like L.A.'s or Calgary's) would best suit budget-wise for a city the size of Brisbane (the city's Brisbane, right, not Gold Coast?)

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The Gold Coast and Brisbane are different cities, about an hour drive apart. The GC has a population of about 500,00. The people pods are very differnt to Morgantown's ... and have a top speed of these pods 40KPH expected to be 70kph with further development.
 

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I still like the light rail, even more so after looking up some existing people pod set-ups in other cities. Light rail offers more room for expansion, covers a greater distance. A monorail or people pod system would likely only cover the tiny strip from main beach to broadbeach, which wouldn't do much to relieve traffic, and wouldn't be worth the fare. I've walked the length of that strip and back on the hottest days of the year, and it wouldn't kill anyone, most of the area's pretty pedestrian friendly.

I think tracks from Robina, Nerang and Helensvale to the coast, and one going north to south would be doable, might cost more but would be so much more bang for buck. You'd have a system intergrated with QR cutting down on inter and intra-city commutes.

Would a people pod system or monorail covering that area and carrying equivalent loads be any cheaper? I'd think more expensive and invasive, and plain gimmicky. Light Rail inspires confidence in commuters as a genuine transit option.
 

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I still like the light rail, even more so after looking up some existing people pod set-ups in other cities. Light rail offers more room for expansion, covers a greater distance. A monorail or people pod system would likely only cover the tiny strip from main beach to broadbeach, which wouldn't do much to relieve traffic, and wouldn't be worth the fare. I've walked the length of that strip and back on the hottest days of the year, and it wouldn't kill anyone, most of the area's pretty pedestrian friendly.

I think tracks from Robina, Nerang and Helensvale to the coast, and one going north to south would be doable, might cost more but would be so much more bang for buck. You'd have a system intergrated with QR cutting down on inter and intra-city commutes.

Would a people pod system or monorail covering that area and carrying equivalent loads be any cheaper? I'd think more expensive and invasive, and plain gimmicky. Light Rail inspires confidence in commuters as a genuine transit option.

I'd have to agree with you there. But plainly, I think People Pods are ridiculous. Monorail would add to the tourist atmosphere of the city - like the one in Sydney but I'd really like to see some underground train stations linking it onto the QR network. These being under the southport mall strip, Cavill mall and again in Broadbeach at bare minimum. With express services from these stations to Brisbane Central and vice versa it would definately help the economy - from boosting southport as a business centre to surfers paradise and the rest of the gold coast becoming an attractive place to live for people working in brisbane CBD. -- All you need is one of those magnetic train lines that go 400k/hr for a 15min train ride...now that would be awesome.
 

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People pods what are you thinking these so called land mark new development and threds never have a chance give it up ! Go with a real option please. You people are smarter than this why is this people pod topic even talked about like its real !
 

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The people pods are a real idea ...they are currently being installed in Heathrow airport to ferry passangers from the carpark to the terminal come 2007 and planned at Dubai International Financial Center in Dubai scheduled to be operational in 2008.

Light rail won't work in Sufers, there simply is not enough space. The upgrade of the GC Highway through surfers to make it two lanes each way has meant there is no room for a designated tram track. It may suit Melbourne, but Melbourne was planned around a tram, the GC hasn't been.

A monorail was tried in 1989 and failed then given concerns to privacy. Whether or not it will work now is unclear.

So what real options are we left with? Subways linking to Brisbane would be ideal but unviablie. As much as I dislike Ron Clarke (another story), I do agree with him that the council must look at alternative options for the GC. The people pods may seem fantasy, but if the technolgy works in London and Dubai then they just maybe the answer! :)
 

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I still think the monrail is best bet, Despite the issues. Just to knoch the private issues out of the water. Have people heard of blinds and I dont think people who bought a 1st 2nd floor aparment are that powerful or had that much to lose in the first place. I meant it not like rail open up much more than the people living across the street. But I can see the concerns about value lost etc but then there is lost for gain just has to be done.

I did not know about the people pods at Dubai. I have lived there and the transport system there is a mess. I mean its all over the place with so many networks that are not intreconnected all planned and little underway. This people pod at the DIFC just adds to see. Still happy Dubai has it aleast it will make it more real. The Idea was once very lightly floated for the northern beaches in sydney and i think it lasted in the papers like one day or some thing ? Any one rember that ?

I dont Know. Surfers seems like it wont get any thing for a long time. Thing like this just drag in Australia. I can see any chance till some with vision and power takes over the project and transport. And right now thats not the case.
 

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How can you compare people pods as a mode of inter-terminal airport transport to the transport needs of a city of half a million and growing. Thats just dumb!!

Also, The Upgrade of the Gold Coast Hwy has made light rail possible. Now that the main thoroughfare is Ferny Avenue couldnt the light rail go along the original Gold Coast Hwy route which should now be alot quieter. Once you get north or south of Surfers Paradise there is heaps of room, espeically if you dont run it right on every main road.

I can see the appeal of monorail, but I really dont think it is that practical, other than a nifty way to transport tourists so I can understand the idea of running it up and down the tourist strip. What I cant fathom is the idea of linking Southport, Surfers, Broadbeach, Burleigh, Helensvale, Nerang and Robina with a monorail, thats why I think light rail is a better option. Even in Sydney the light rail looks like a more inviting option than the monorail, you dont have to find a station or climb stairs.
 
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