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Gay pub can bar heterosexuals
May 28, 2007 02:00am

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21804872-2,00.html

* Ban was to 'prevent insults at gays'
* Pub exempt from Equal Opportunity Act
* Gays treated like 'zoo animals'

A MELBOURNE pub catering for gay men has won the right to refuse entry to heterosexuals in a landmark ruling at the state planning tribunal.

The owners of Collingwood's Peel Hotel applied to ban straight men and women to try to prevent "sexually based insults and violence" towards its gay patrons.

The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal last week granted the pub an exemption to the Equal Opportunity Act, effectively prohibiting entry to non-homosexuals.

VCAT deputy president Cate McKenzie said if heterosexual men and women came into the venue in large groups, their number might be enough to swamp the gay male patrons.

"This would undermine or destroy the atmosphere which the company wishes to create," Ms McKenzie said in her findings.

"Sometimes heterosexual groups and lesbian groups insult and deride and are even physically violent towards the gay male patrons."

Some women even booked hens' nights at the venue using the gay patrons as entertainment, Ms McKenzie said.

"To regard the gay male patrons of the venue as providing an entertainment or spectacle to be stared at, as one would at an animal at a zoo, devalues and dehumanises them," she said.

"(This exemption) seeks to give gay men a space in which they may, without inhibition, meet, socialise and express physical attraction to each other in a non-threatening atmosphere."

The Peel manager Tom McFeely told the tribunal the plan to refuse entry had been advertised at the hotel, with no objections received.

Mr McFeely said most of the regulars at the hotel had responded positively.

A spokeswoman for the Victorian Gay and Lesbian Lobby Group said she believed the ruling made the Peel one of only two men-only venues in Melbourne.

"This exemption was not sought to exclude members of the community but to try to maintain a safe space for men to meet," the spokeswoman said.

She said gay men at the Peel had recently been ostracised and made to feel like "zoo animals".

"It's sad that members of our community would have to go to the VCAT to preserve their rights," the spokeswoman said.

"This is one of the only free venues with live music in the area, so certainly some people may feel a bit unhappy about the decision."

The Peel attracted criticism in April over an ad for a gay Anzac Day party that showed a near-naked man in a slouch hat.

The hotel used a Shrine of Remembrance guard as the unwitting star of an ad for an Anzac Day eve bash. The ad was published in gay magazines and on the venue's website.

It was withdrawn after intense criticism from the Victorian RSL, which called it a "desecration of the Anzac spirit".
 

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on the surface id say wtf hypocritical ass crap

But maybe this was a real constant problem there....
 

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There are constant probs in most of our clubs.

I know of numerous cases over the years where we have been hassled in our clubs...or treated like a spectacle in a zoo for str8 people's curiousities. We have our good srt8 friends that know "the rules", but unfortunately most str8 people don't. It would be nice if most did however....

We only get hassled in most str8 pubs/clubs so....

While in theory you may not agree (ryan79 take note), try to understand our position. We need our own spaces too where we have just each others' company, and not many places (comparitively) at that.
 

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So the way to prevent intolerence is to shut yourself off into your own little world.

And how about the vice versa. Most gay people know "the rules" in a club for EVERYONE (There is no such thing as a straight club) but some don't. Should we ban all gays?

Ok, so I'm going over the top (as usual) but its the one rule for one crowd and one rule for the rest. For example we have some clubs in Perth that have trouble with some groups of Aboriginals. Do we ban them all or just the people causing trouble?

We either discriminate against whoever we want when we want or we all hold hands under a rainbow.
 

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So the way to prevent intolerence is to shut yourself off into your own little world.
We NOW chose to conduct OUR culture the way we wish because we have tried for years to break down intolerances, and we just cannot. It's a reality, so we take things into OUR OWN hands these days. YOU have no more say.

Doesn't mean we have to stop teaching society at large at the same time.

Women wanting their own spaces a couple of decades b4 went through the same thing.
 

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The trouble with this policy is its very difficult to police. Its pretty hard to determine who is gay and who is straight, bi or curious these days. Really what needs to happen is for there to be better security and any trouble makers should be dealt with. I personally do not think the gay community needs to segregate itself any further and allowing straight to go to gay venues will only help them understand and accept the gay culture. Obviously those that go to 'look at the freak show' need to be removed by security. For some reason a lot of Asian tourists seem to be attracted to gay venues.

A lot of **** bars refuse entry to guys so this isnt a new policy and I also remember that Splash in NY had a $10 cover for guys and $50 cover for girls.
 

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this is crap! I'm a straight guy with gay friends both male and female and we have often ended up at the peel after a night on the town and I have never had any issues nor seen any trouble - just a lot of cool fun people having a good time. This is not the way to go re: tolerance - just creates more division.
 

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this is crap! I'm a straight guy with gay friends both male and female and we have often ended up at the peel after a night on the town and I have never had any issues nor seen any trouble - just a lot of cool fun people having a good time. This is not the way to go re: tolerance - just creates more division.
Well it's up to people like yourself to help us teach many fellow str8s how to behave in an appropriate fashion, then we wouldn't have to do this. I know it's hard, but don't take it personally. See the bigger picture above your own individual needs.
 

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WTF is with *** hags?
They are often straight chicks that often have relationship difficulties with straight men so they hang around gay guys and try to live their life through them. That is obviously generalising a lot but you would be suprised with the power, influence and advice a lot of gay guys allow them to have.
 

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The trouble with this policy is its very difficult to police. Its pretty hard to determine who is gay and who is straight, bi or curious these days. Really what needs to happen is for there to be better security and any trouble makers should be dealt with..
Agreed

I personally do not think the gay community needs to segregate itself any further and allowing straight to go to gay venues will only help them understand and accept the gay culture. Obviously those that go to 'look at the freak show' need to be removed by security. For some reason a lot of Asian tourists seem to be attracted to gay venues.
Agreed in principle, but the reality being....

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Pub owner defends 'gays only' entry
May 28, 2007 - 12:30PM


A Melbourne pub owner who won the right to refuse entry to heterosexuals says the move was necessary to provide gay men a safe and comfortable venue.

The management of Collingwood's Peel Hotel in inner Melbourne won the right to refuse entry to heterosexuals in a landmark ruling at the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal last week.

Pub owner-manager Tom McFeely said the move was necessary to provide gay men a non-threatening atmosphere to freely express their sexuality.

"If I can limit the number of heterosexuals entering the Peel, then that helps me keep the safe balance effectively," Mr McFeely told Southern Cross Broadcasting.

Mr McFeely said that while the pub welcomed everyone, its gay clientele had expressed discomfort over the number of heterosexuals and lesbians coming to the venue over the past year.

"We've had instances in the past where, for example, a buck's night has come up to the Peel or a hen's night - our whole atmosphere changes immensely," he said.

Mr McFeely said that prior to the ruling it was illegal to refuse entry to a large group of people based on sexuality, making gay male clients uncomfortable and unable to freely express their sexuality.

He said there were more than 2,000 venues in Melbourne that catered to heterosexuals, but his pub was the only one marketing itself predominantly to gay men.

"We're the only one out of 2,000 venues in Melbourne. Those heterosexuals have other places to go to, my homosexuals do not," he said.

"The only place they can feel comfortable and safe is the Peel and that's the reason.

"I want to protect that and recently (with) the amount of heterosexuals and lesbians, some guys are saying to me over the last year or so ... we don't feel comfortable anymore."
 

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Ok, so I'm going over the top (as usual) but its the one rule for one crowd and one rule for the rest. For example we have some clubs in Perth that have trouble with some groups of Aboriginals. Do we ban them all or just the people causing trouble?
It is a landmark case so, in Victoria anyway, it may be possible to claim that Aboriginals (or Asians, Lebs whatever) should be banned from a venue if the owner can prove a case that aboriginals have caused violent acts to occur. You obviously won't have to prove that all aboriginals cause violence in a venue, just that the people within the venue "feel" threatened by them.

Onwards with segregation! tutt tutt
 

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What about Metro Guys that can fake being gay?
 

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At the end of the day it is a private venue and they can let in whoever they want to. There are clubs in Brisbane that don't allow certain people in because they don't have 'the look' that they are after and I have also seen guys refused entry because there were already too many guys inside.

It doesn't sound like the club wants to ban straights entirely but just have the option to if it seems they are there just to cause trouble.
 
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