General Election 2017?

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odlum833

Discussion Starter · Nov 25, 2017

God help the political party that has me going to a polling booth a few days before Christmas.>(

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Elhorseboxo

· #2 · Nov 25, 2017

If Sinn Fein were more like Hank Scorpio I might actually consider giving them a vote!

Its a total mess of a situation though, nobody in the country wants an election and nobody even seems sure whether the whole scandal is even a scandal.

Our nonsensical parish pump culture means we're destined to be stuck in this minority situation for the foreseeable future so all an election will achieve is another 6 months of uncertainty before we eventually end up exactly where we are now.

Only with the added bonus of the 10 year infrastructure plan, new housing policy, height limits etc likely being delayed or even cancelled

hno:

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sponge_bob

· #3 · Nov 26, 2017

FFis marginally more likely to get some badly needed construction underway so on that purely marginal basis I'll choose them.

As for SF..Adams has not gone away you know.

plank007

· #4 · Nov 26, 2017

...and we thought British politics was a mess. Hoping for a SF, Labour and Green Party coalition.

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Fred_Johnson

· #5 · Nov 26, 2017

plank007 said:
Hoping for a SF, Labour and Green Party coalition.

A coalition of votes from welfare recipients, public sector workers and nutjob environmentalists team up to inflict yet more pain on the average middle class taxpayer. That sounds very appealing.

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daveydonnelly

· #6 · Nov 26, 2017

plank007 said:
...and we thought British politics was a mess. Hoping for a SF, Labour and Green Party coalition.

That’d be enough to send me straight out of the country for the next five years. I’d not be against the greens making some kind of a return but not with SF...

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ZG_Blues

· #7 · Nov 26, 2017

Fred_Johnson said:
A coalition of votes from welfare recipients, public sector workers and nutjob environmentalists team up to inflict yet more pain on the average middle class taxpayer. That sounds very appealing.

I bet you that coalition would solve the housing crisis in a year without even building a single house.

Wilderbeast

· #8 · Nov 26, 2017

Housing failure...FG must go. We need an election now.

Why SF (Grizzly) and FG (Indian) but nothing for FF or Labour?

Surely FF (National bankruptcy) and Labour (Trashing Democracy) should be added, for balance?

sponge_bob

· #9 · Nov 26, 2017

I fcuking HATE greens.

Even shinners are more acceptable than those morons.

Wilderbeast

· #10 · Nov 26, 2017

sponge_bob said:
I fcuking HATE greens. Even shinners are more acceptable than those morons.

What do you mean "even"? If SF is sound on infrastructural spending and social housing who else could you vote for? :cheer:

sponge_bob

· #11 · Nov 26, 2017

Shinners are economic retards...like greens. But they don't actually hate the human race ...like greens.

daveydonnelly

· #12 · Nov 27, 2017

sponge_bob said:
Shinners are economic retards...like greens. But they don't actually hate the human race ...like greens.

They just hate Protestants, the Brits, the elites (middles classes!)

mjohnoston

· #13 · Nov 27, 2017

I'll be voting Social Democrats myself whenever this comes up, but I really hope it isn't now, because it's a fúcking awful time for an election.

daveydonnelly

· #14 · Nov 27, 2017

I’ll probably give Soc Dems a fourth or fifth preference but they’ll be lucky to keep the two seats they have.. I see a Labour / Soc Dems merger. its such a mess at the moment, and it’ll be another hodge podge minority Government unless FF and SF go in together after much disingenuous hand wringing from FF... not looking forward to that coalition although I’m sure it’ll be interesting to observe.

P2O5

· #15 · Nov 27, 2017

The SocDems will certainly keep both seats, they've both got highly personal votes (I think both were poll-toppers). They'll struggle outside of that, with an outside chance for Gary Gannon in Dublin Central - that depends whether the new boundaries will apply and it increases to a 4-seater.

Me - I'm voting Green. I cycle, I take public transport so QED; they've got a land-value tax to replace property tax, and a 80% rezoning windfall tax in their manifesto (these are IMO a big part of the solution to the housing crisis to stop land hoarding); they're serious about a Dublin mayor (Fianna Fáil's bill was a 1-page place-holder disgrace with no specifics, Fine Gael's plan to have 4 mayors is idiotic, whereas the Green bill was a lengthy thought-out plan). However, a green or SD will never win in Dublin south central and I've no intention of voting for FF (ever) or that FG moron Catherine Byrne (I'd vote for a good FG person) so...... maybe Joan Collins, I have a soft spot for independents4change that no doubt nobody else on here does.

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P2O5

· #16 · Nov 27, 2017

Oh, one other thing - if this election goes ahead all the work of committees not yet completed will be thrown out and have to be done again. This includes the committee on the 8th. A FF government could therefore choose to cancel the referendum.

Apart from that, any strides towards doing anything on the housing crisis etc. would go back to square 1 too.

And all the Brexit stuff too...

An election now goes against the interest of the country IMO, and I say that as someone with no love of this government.

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Not Tall Enough

· #17 · Nov 27, 2017

It's interesting that for years coalition governments have been relatively stable, now with the need to dramatise everything in politics and any form of compromise being heavily punished by base voters getting parties to work together is becoming very difficult especially minority parties.
Would it be worth moving to single party government, give them free rain and if they do a terrible job boot them out with no one else to blame but themselves?

Not Tall Enough

· #18 · Nov 27, 2017

PS while things aren't perfect the Irish economy has rebounded stronger than pretty much every other European economy even with TROIKA or whatever its called. Land banking and housing needs to be tackled but unfortunately when millions of people want to live in the same place as you do its going to be expensive.

PeteC

· #19 · Nov 27, 2017

FG might end up benefitting the most from the current situation. It has shown that most people are happier with the current government than any of the other realistic alternatives. Also Varadkar will probably come out of this looking good if he keeps his party in power and Fitzgerald stays in her position without giving up much (or anything?).

The opposition will know that an election would not be popular so will probably have to row back on the grandstanding for a while. FF also look quite weak if they fold.

Wilderbeast

· #20 · Nov 27, 2017

I'll go (1) SF, (2) FF and hope the result forces FF to coalesce. Then maybe we'll finally get a Government serious about the housing crisis. :cheers:

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