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Your larger paragraph means you actually agree with me. The labelling of everyone associated with current protests as extreme left looters is wrong and painting all with the same brush. The entire point of all of these posts.
 

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They're the next wave of fascism.
If they ever gain power they will bring back Stalinist purges.
The left have already given the modern equivalent of Mao’s struggle sessions. And they are essentially trying to establish a cultural revolution. The authoritarianism and fascism is all on display by the left.
 

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^ That's pretty funny. Trump is the guy that thinks Clinton won the 2016 popular vote because there were millions of illegal votes. He is the guy that carries on the Republican desire of making it harder for people to vote - opposed to absentee or mail-in voting (despite voting that way himself) for example. He is the guy that thought the 2016 election was rigged before it was even held, he wouldn't say if he would accept the result and says the same thing today about the 2020 election. He is the guy that fires government watchdogs for not being loyal despite simply doing their job. But, nah, it must be the Dems who are anti-democratic...
 

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In hindsight Trump was pretty spot on with some of those things like the egregious spying on an incoming president which was influenced by the infamous dodgy dossier commissioned by the Democrats, so yeah pretty undemocratic right there by the Democrats. And the rhetoric you mentioned pales in comparison to the actual actions taken by the Democrats.
 

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There is a real and present danger to American democracy but it is not coming from the Left.
Disagree - IMO, it's mostly coming from the extreme Left, but of course, you knew I would say that. The DNC has since day 1 of Trump's presidency, done everything in it's power to steer the voter towards forced removal rather than a democratic removal, ie, vote out of office. Everything they do (hey, this is politics I guess) has been to find a reason to impeach and use everything in their power to enforce a narrative that he is not fit for office. Well, if that's true? November is around the corner now, so let it role.
 

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^ That's pretty funny. Trump is the guy that thinks Clinton won the 2016 popular vote because there were millions of illegal votes. He is the guy that carries on the Republican desire of making it harder for people to vote - opposed to absentee or mail-in voting (despite voting that way himself) for example. He is the guy that thought the 2016 election was rigged before it was even held, he wouldn't say if he would accept the result and says the same thing today about the 2020 election. He is the guy that fires government watchdogs for not being loyal despite simply doing their job. But, nah, it must be the Dems who are anti-democratic...
That kind of shows how you do not understand "postal" voting in the US context. It's relatively simple to abuse in the US. Why do you think the DNC is pushing it? What? Do you think traditional Republican voters get off their arse more on election day, or something? Apparently this is what the DNC thinks.

As far as the popular vote goes. Study up on the Electoral College system. There is a reason the Founders saw issues with populous States having too much determinate power over the "popular" vote of a President. Not unlike the Senate safeguard of equal representation (in a way), the Electoral College is a mechanism to balance out, to a certain extent, the extreme statistical bias a populous State of say CA, or NY could have on the vote for a President. It's been in place since the US started. Everytime the popular vote does not go the way of the looser, this debate rises on both sides of the aisle.
 

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Not to mention the Democrats want to allow millions - possible up into the TENS of millions of illegal immigrants become citizens virtually straight away over the coming decades.

This is akin to an organised invasion by the Democrats.

Imagine if there was a land bridge between Australia and Indonesia and 5 million Indonesians flooded into the country and were given citizenship?

It would be a fundamental shift in the identity of the nation and leave us open to an invasion.
 

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Disagree - IMO, it's mostly coming from the extreme Left, but of course, you knew I would say that. The DNC has since day 1 of Trump's presidency, done everything in it's power to steer the voter towards forced removal rather than a democratic removal, ie, vote out of office. Everything they do (hey, this is politics I guess) has been to find a reason to impeach and use everything in their power to enforce a narrative that he is not fit for office. Well, if that's true? November is around the corner now, so let it role.
Rather selective there Hexter. You forgot about the Republicans trying to force the removal of Bill Clinton rather than waiting for your so called Democratic removal process, also memory not so good about Republican gerrymandering, the use of force by the State against its own people, making it harder for people to vote or its blatant inference in an independent judiciary which destroys the separation of powers.
 

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That kind of shows how you do not understand "postal" voting in the US context. It's relatively simple to abuse in the US. Why do you think the DNC is pushing it? What? Do you think traditional Republican voters get off their arse more on election day, or something? Apparently this is what the DNC thinks.

As far as the popular vote goes. Study up on the Electoral College system. There is a reason the Founders saw issues with populous States having too much determinate power over the "popular" vote of a President. Not unlike the Senate safeguard of equal representation (in a way), the Electoral College is a mechanism to balance out, to a certain extent, the extreme statistical bias a populous State of say CA, or NY could have on the vote for a President. It's been in place since the US started. Everytime the popular vote does not go the way of the looser, this debate rises on both sides of the aisle.
Well perhaps could enlighten me about how mail-in voting works in the US context? I assume you are already aware that millions of votes were cast by mail in the 2016 election. In Oregon, for example, 100% of the vote is done via mail. Could please explain the "simple" ways the system can be abused how this is could lead to millions of votes being both fraudulent and undetected?

Also instead of wondering why the Democrats might want to increase voter turnout, why don't you instead ask why the Republicans are trying to reduce the turnout? The are many examples of Republican strategists or campaign officials commenting publicly that they believe increasing the turnout harms their prospects. It hasn't even been proven that the turnout theory is correct, but both Democrats and Republicans seem to believe in it anyway.

As for traditional Republican's being more likely to get off their arse to vote on election day - you may be on to something there. First consider that voting always takes place on a Tuesday, which is fine if you're a Republican voting retiree down in Florida, but is perhaps a significant inconvenience for many other members of the electorate. Wait times are already lengthy at many polling places around the US and wait times will probably be higher again this year given the Covid-19 precautions. In Milwaukee, for example, the usual 180 polling stations was cut down to just 5 for the April elections. In a chilly November people will be less inclined to stand around for 30 minutes, 1 hour, or longer to cast their vote. Traditional Democrat voters: minority groups, low paid workers, etc may not even be able to get to a polling place at all. One of the Democrats proposals was to make election day a public holiday so workers wouldn't be financially penalised by voting but, of course, the Republicans would have none of that.


As for the Electoral College I am quite familiar with it. It was Trump who was complaining about the popular vote so perhaps he is the one that needs to study up on it?
 

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In hindsight Trump was pretty spot on with some of those things like the egregious spying on an incoming president which was influenced by the infamous dodgy dossier commissioned by the Democrats, so yeah pretty undemocratic right there by the Democrats. And the rhetoric you mentioned pales in comparison to the actual actions taken by the Democrats.
What spying might that be? The "wiretapping" conspiracy theory that Trump heard about on Fox and then started tweeting about? As for the Steele dossier it wasn't commission by the Democrats even if they did end up taking advantage of it. But what makes it dodgy or undemocratic anyway? Even Trump himself mustn't think so as he said himself on TV that accepting foreign intelligence about political rivals is fine because it is just opposition research. Curious to know what's on your list of undemocratic actions taken by the Democrats.
 

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What spying might that be? The "wiretapping" conspiracy theory that Trump heard about on Fox and then started tweeting about? As for the Steele dossier it wasn't commission by the Democrats even if they did end up taking advantage of it. But what makes it dodgy or undemocratic anyway? Even Trump himself mustn't think so as he said himself on TV that accepting foreign intelligence about political rivals is fine because it is just opposition research. Curious to know what's on your list of undemocratic actions taken by the Democrats.
Conspiracy? lol, the conspiracy was the last four years of ‘Russian collusion’. The spying, wire tapping, entrapment and ensuing investigation lasting years, was all a means to try and spy on a presidential candidate, then dispose of an incoming president, and then the basis to try and overturn an election result. It’s the very definition of undemocratic, seeing as they knew either right away or very early on how untrustworthy some of the claims in the dossier was. And whether you want to be naive and claim no impropriety by the Democrats because it was paid through their law firm, is irrelevant as they funded it.

And btw sworn testimony of Bruce Ohr then Dept of Justice Associate deputy and Attorney General, was that he met with Christopher Steele directly and was briefed on the dossier, the day before the FBI then opened the investigation.

All sounds pretty undemocratic and frankly alarming that they have so far managed to remain unaccountable for their actions.
 

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Well perhaps could enlighten me about how mail-in voting works in the US context? I assume you are already aware that millions of votes were cast by mail in the 2016 election. In Oregon, for example, 100% of the vote is done via mail. Could please explain the "simple" ways the system can be abused how this is could lead to millions of votes being both fraudulent and undetected?

Also instead of wondering why the Democrats might want to increase voter turnout, why don't you instead ask why the Republicans are trying to reduce the turnout? The are many examples of Republican strategists or campaign officials commenting publicly that they believe increasing the turnout harms their prospects. It hasn't even been proven that the turnout theory is correct, but both Democrats and Republicans seem to believe in it anyway.

As for traditional Republican's being more likely to get off their arse to vote on election day - you may be on to something there. First consider that voting always takes place on a Tuesday, which is fine if you're a Republican voting retiree down in Florida, but is perhaps a significant inconvenience for many other members of the electorate. Wait times are already lengthy at many polling places around the US and wait times will probably be higher again this year given the Covid-19 precautions. In Milwaukee, for example, the usual 180 polling stations was cut down to just 5 for the April elections. In a chilly November people will be less inclined to stand around for 30 minutes, 1 hour, or longer to cast their vote. Traditional Democrat voters: minority groups, low paid workers, etc may not even be able to get to a polling place at all. One of the Democrats proposals was to make election day a public holiday so workers wouldn't be financially penalised by voting but, of course, the Republicans would have none of that.


As for the Electoral College I am quite familiar with it. It was Trump who was complaining about the popular vote so perhaps he is the one that needs to study up on it?
I'll be facetious - if Trump is complaining about it then he is hoping the media do the opposite. In other words, Trump probably wants it. In the past, the Republicans supported mail in for States like Florida. It's always been viewed with skepticism in the US.
 

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Rather selective there Hexter. You forgot about the Republicans trying to force the removal of Bill Clinton rather than waiting for your so called Democratic removal process, also memory not so good about Republican gerrymandering, the use of force by the State against its own people, making it harder for people to vote or its blatant inference in an independent judiciary which destroys the separation of powers.
Rather selective there Hexter. You forgot about the Republicans trying to force the removal of Bill Clinton rather than waiting for your so called Democratic removal process, also memory not so good about Republican gerrymandering, the use of force by the State against its own people, making it harder for people to vote or its blatant inference in an independent judiciary which destroys the separation of powers.
Oh sorry, my bad, did the Republicans, literally the day after Clinton's inauguration, push for impeachment? I don't have a problem with the concept of an impeachment - I have an issue that people like Al Sharpton were calling for an impeachment literally days into a new Presidency based on conspiracy and the rest.

Again, as far as mail-in voting goes. The Reps also loved it in previous times - I suspect that the reason why Trump is going on and on about it is because he knows the Press will narrate the exact opposite which is exactly what Trump really probably wants. Who frikken knows.
 

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Nah, they're all fucked, Andy. It's not really about Left/Right, Rep/Dem. George Snr Bush was the same as the rest and he was Rep. It's more about Globalist and Nationalist, IMO. All this other shit is just smoke and mirrors.
 

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So many of the left have fell silent on all the Summer of Love and wonderful peaceful protests of late. Hilarious the left media are still reporting them as peaceful protests... “a peaceful protest suddenly turned into a riot by a few bad apples”... lol.

So you naive lefties still believing BLM is this wonderful charitable organisation of goodwill rather than the racist political movement it has been shown to be?

American democrat led cities are going to shit with crimes and violence skyrocketing. Defund the police! Smart move.


When are you guys going to wake up? Or have you come to that realisation already that you have been hoodwinked but silent on it because, well, it might work against ol Trumpy.
 
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