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Interesting body cam video released yesterday of the lead up to the George Floyd arrest and the infamous ‘I can’t breathe’ footage, showing George Floyd saying to the police he couldn’t breathe well before the altercation where the police officers forcibly detained him.
 

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Those peaceful protesters in Portland tried to burn down the police precinct yesterday while blocking the exits to trap the police inside.

And the Portland Mayor was seemingly more concerned that the incident was going to be used in the election campaign by Trump.

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What about the peaceful protestors in Atlanta? Or Brisbane? Or Sydney?

One track mind again I see.
 

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The small number of anarchists in Portland are a hindrance to the BLM movement and their mayhem plays into the hand of the likes of Trump and Danukoz who will use them for their political ends to discredit all the legitimate protesting. The trouble for Trump and his fanatics was the over reach of sending in the Feds who being heroes went up against veterans and soccer mums.
 

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The BLM movement are the anarchists. They not separate from the movement. It is an inherently racist movement, and you are supporting racism if you support it.
It has now morphed into an insurrectionist movement, just like the confederates.

As it grows it is going to threaten the fundamental stability of the USA. Military action may need to be taken.
 

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Were the soccer mums destroying federal property Andy?

The BLM movement are the anarchists. They not separate from the movement. It is an inherently racist movement, and you are supporting racism if you support it.
Methinks the majority of Americans disagree with your views there Danukoz.

It has now morphed into an insurrectionist movement, just like the confederates.

As it grows it is going to threaten the fundamental stability of the USA. Military action may need to be taken.
I know Trump is getting desperate to create a different narrative as a distraction from his incompetent handling of Covid 19 but trying to use the military against his own people is probably not going down to well with most Americans and will be a massive over reach and you will probably find resistance in both Congress and in the Military itself.
 

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You’re probably right that a large proportion of the population don’t understand what BLM stands for, or how bad the riots and violence is when main stream media who are mostly left wing continues to report them as mostly ‘peaceful protests’ and Democrats tacitly support it all in a hope it furthers their politics and gets them into power.
 

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The small number of anarchists in Portland are a hindrance to the BLM movement and their mayhem plays into the hand of the likes of Trump and Danukoz who will use them for their political ends to discredit all the legitimate protesting. The trouble for Trump and his fanatics was the over reach of sending in the Feds who being heroes went up against veterans and soccer mums.
I would agree with your first statement, if so many peaceful BLM protesters didn’t support the violence.

It’s very hard to separate the peaceful and violent arms of the movement, when there is a distinct absence of genuine criticism of the violent acts from the peaceful side.

A scroll through social media shows how broad the support is for the violent acts amongst BLM supporters, and the apparent inability within the movement to accept any level of police intervention as appropriate.
 

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What about the peaceful protestors in Atlanta? Or Brisbane? Or Sydney?

One track mind again I see.
I know a lot of protesters who went to the Melbourne BLM protest (which was completely peaceful.)

Can confirm of those who went, their view on the Portland protests/violence ranged from genuine glee, to a necessary bad needed to enact change.
 

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I would agree with your first statement, if so many peaceful BLM protesters didn’t support the violence.

It’s very hard to separate the peaceful and violent arms of the movement, when there is a distinct absence of genuine criticism of the violent acts from the peaceful side.

A scroll through social media shows how broad the support is for the violent acts amongst BLM supporters, and the apparent inability within the movement to accept any level of police intervention as appropriate.
Social media tends to bring out the worse in some individuals but I believe the American general public who came out in support of the movement don't share those more extreme views yet want change.
 

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Oh sure, I think a significant segment of the American public disapprove of the level of police violence.

And any reasonable person would agree with the statement ‘Black Lives Matter’.
The leadership of BLM however, and the philosophy of many of those within the movement, is approaching anarchism (mixed with a warped perception of socialism) and anti white racism (ironic since most of the most involved in the movement are middle class university educated whites).

And I totally agree that social media brings out the worst in people, but the truth is that these mediums are often where individuals express themselves most honestly, so you can generally take what the write as their genuine position.
 

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Noone is willfully ignoring illegal behaviour being undertaken by the rioters. However you are willfully ignoring the opposite.
Andy Ngo is only highlighting the elements that are well known, and also ignoring the other side.



I don't know what you expect to be honest.
 

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America is looking more dystopian and divided more every day and it is unfortunate its leadership fans division, accepts police brutality and race baiting in order to try and stay in power, add a gun loving culture and entrenched inequality it is a recipe for disaster.
 

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Noone is willfully ignoring illegal behaviour being undertaken by the rioters. However you are willfully ignoring the opposite.
Andy Ngo is only highlighting the elements that are well known, and also ignoring the other side.



I don't know what you expect to be honest.
Ahh yes you are, you’ve continually tried to downplay the issue, like it’s just a few people here and there who are doing it, and “look the Australian protests didn’t have violence” which demonstrates it’s a great noble movement (it did have some btw). And it’s not. It’s a facist, racist, anti American and anti democratic movement. Meanwhile Andy lives in an alternate reality where it’s not really happening at all and characterises it as some mums who are standing up to the Nasty Feds, and is somehow all Trumps fault.

Now I’ve clearly stated that I’m sure there’s good people on all sides. A few decent protesters who have been hoodwinked into supporting this violent racist and fascist movement.

Why you continue to labour that point rather than focus on the actual larger issue at hand of the months of ongoing riots and violent protests, is beyond me. Maybe you just don’t want to believe it. I don’t know. But its not just a few bad apples as you guys continually want to try and assert. Watch some of the videos, they walk down the street chanting “black lives matter” followed by “we’re gonna burn your house down” (not an empty threat either) which is said to innocent residents hiding in their units and houses. There’s violence across many cities.

And you say this violence doesn’t actually represent BLM, but it does. BLM support it. They are out there rioting and committing these acts in the name of BLM. And BLM leaders are actively supporting those that are arrested.

The Democrats don’t want to actively say anything against it, as they have been mistakenly thinking it helps them get power, which is absolutely shameful but not unsurprising given their long history of racism using black community to further their agenda. And they’ve undermined the police and we now see skyrocketing crime as a result. Affecting black communities most. Some of those local Democrat leaders supporting defunding of police have called out the Police to their properties numerous times over the last few months. Then they campaign and vote to defund it. Terrible.

This is all on the left. This is Democrat run cities. They have failed their basic duty of protect people and property and should be walked out the door in no-confidence. This what happens after years of convincing people they’re oppressed and stoking racial issues. This what the modern left stands for. What you guys are a part of and support.
 

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Why do I downplay the issue? Mainly because of the subtext of those who focus entirely on this issue and none of the other issues around it.
It's the issue of ignoring systemic racism. It's the issue of making it political (of course the Democrats are to blame for everything).



If you were actually willing to be an ally to those on the wrong side of systemic racism, maybe I'd be willing to discuss things with you. But until then, your are using it as a weapon against racism as a whole and I will not back down from that.



By only hating BLM and not in anyway supporting those fighting racism, you are participating in the division and the politicisation you so dearly hate (apparently).




You have yet to provide appropriate ways to support the dismantling of systemic racism and instead just say "look over there about how evil BLM are."
 

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America is looking more dystopian and divided more every day and it is unfortunate its leadership fans division, accepts police brutality and race baiting in order to try and stay in power, add a gun loving culture and entrenched inequality it is a recipe for disaster.
The divided polarization in America is frightening.
the right blindly follow trump and trump’s incoherent and harmful rhetoric, while he panders to them fanning the flames of division.

what’s difficult to accept though (for a life long labor and greens voter) is the transition of progressives from acceptance and persist of free will to a movement gleeful to accept violence and willingness to shut down thought and logic.


Do you support shutting down STEM for the purpose of the progressive cause?
 
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