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Gjirokastra (also known as Argyrocastro) is archeologically one of the most wonderful cities in Albania, and together with Berat, they are part of the UNESCO World Heritage. The status was recently granted to the city and will help in its preserving the charachteristic architecture.

Regarding the figure of Enver Hoxha, he is not viewed as negatively as you think. A lot of people got dissapointed from the current politicians and unfortunately recall his figure as a positive one. The harsh transition period created the necessary conditions for the revitalising of communism. There is a growing number of "modern communist" youth, especially noted in the mega parties organized by the "Mjaft" movement (popularly known as "Mjaft Fest"). Mjaft itself contributed to this movement as they caracterize themselves a left ideology movement.
Yes Gjirokastra is a nice city with very interesting architecture. Its importance ends here. It has little historical or economical importance compared to the countries FR listed.
Good point. Also part of the Dalmatien will go through Gjirokastra.

r2t said:
Not the place to debate about it but just a few points.
Economy:- Kakavie customs, part of Gjirokastra county and a customs point managed by the Gjirokastra district office, is the largest in revenue and in traffic in Albania.
Gjirokastra is also home of the South Albania Chamber of Comemrce, which regulates and oversees the Economic Developement of Southern Albania.
Politics: -Gjorkastra houses the Greek consulate, various organizations, it is also one of the major stops of all the election campains. PBDNJ is also based in Gjirokastra.
Because it is considered by the Greeks as Greek land. PBDNJ is not of any importance to Albania as it is also the home of Greek ultranationalists. It has continously caused destabilisation in the south. Last elections in Himara are a proof. Gjirokastra is less hot-blooded then Vlora is, so PBDNJ can have all the fun they want there without fearing some hundreds of albanian guys getting there to teach them to how to respect our flag. While Gjirokastra used to have a very important meaning to Albanian history and preserved a special place in the hearts of Albanians who loved their land, the place is more and more becoming a modern "greek colony". Not trying to start a debate with the Greeks here because I am pretty sure their scanner will get this. I am not angry with them, I am angry with Albanians. Greeks are doing their job, we are selling our souls.

Education:- Gjirokastra has on of the oldest Universities in Albania, and one that hosts specific courses, not found anywhere else. Gjirokstra is also one of the first town to open an Albanian school.
So, does a student from Gjirokastra prefer to study there better then in Tirana?

There are also a variety of other conditions such as geogrphy, or history that make Gjirokastra unique. While someone might not consider it important, is is by all means unlike any other town in Albania, and in most cases in a class of its own.
Far from being unique in terms of economy, other cities are at least as important as GJ is: Shkodra, Kukes, Korca, Vlora, Durres, Dibra, Pogradec etc. have a lot of economical potential because they are cities that serve as a jump to the neighbouring countries. I would love to see tourism flourish in GJ. I would definitely spend a week every year there. I think it would be very relaxing.
Be sure that if it starts, then you started it. The problem with Kosovo is that it is equally important, historically, to both Albania and Serbia. When the borders were drawn, it had immediate economical consequences in north Albania because the natural markets of the malsors were destroyed. Still today, north Albanians, the ghegs, suffer the consequences.

What you say about how Albanian went to Kosovo and started a fast multiplication process in order to take it over is not true. The Albanian population in Kosovo is very specific in terms of costums, traditions, dialect which are not the same to other regions in Albania. They differ a lot from the tosks and also to the ghegs creating a new dimmension within the Albanian ethnos.

What Tito did was not to bring Albanians from Albania to Kosovo, but to create such policies to make Albanians from Kosovo flee away to other European countries wether that was good or bad. the few Albanians the came to Yougoslavia, came on study purposes and stayed in Belgrade. ;)

pobesnelizmaj said:
it is rather provocative, I don't want to ahve a fight, that's just wwhat i thaught when i saw the topic about Enver Hodza, and i said that... if someone starts some stupid fights, i won't reply...
AltinD, is your relative the one who has the paintings of Gjirokastra all over Google. Just wandering, they look nice.
Also, take it nice on all the anti-PBDNJ propaganda in here. First of all, if you talk about Gjirokastra the way you do, you have also talked about how Nano is Greek, then you are just giving excuses to them to claim Gjirokastra.
Read below...

I do not understand where you come up with Gjirokastra being a Greek colony. Look at the music of the region, look at the architecture, look at the souvenir shops in Gjirokastra, look at the people, look at how many speak Greek in the city, there is nothing enforcing your opinion. Also, consider the number of albanian politicians and artists that have their origins from this city: Aleksader Meksi, Nano, Hoxha, Fino, Kadare, Gjebrea to name a few. And what's that about a couple hundred of Albanians showing them how to respect our flag? A very pacifist stance indeed. By the way, the consulate is there because Gjirokastra is the city Albanians mostly use to get to Greece and because of Dropulli. It is not there to be viewed as a threat.
I don't see it as threat at all ;). Nevertheless everytime I go there are people who desperately try to speak some kind of weird Greek, in order to get some nasty money that the Greek government gives in a form of a pension to the always growing Greek minority there. The funny thing is that scientifically, the ones responsable for this growth, are supposed to be people over 60 going a rapid process of sexual reproduction...If I do not take it that orthdoxy is being used for anti Albanian propaganda in the south. I don't question GJR as a place where Albanian is spoken, but it is always becoming more and more a second language, and I am witnessing it. When I visit Saranda, I stop by in GJR, and there is always a new bar where you to learn Greek in order to be able to order a drink. The same goes for Saranda. I am pretty sure these guys are Albanian, because I was there a year ago, too. They spoke a very clear Tosk dialect, no they suprisingly forgotten it ;). Korca is claimed by Greeks, too, neverhteless the people there, despite all the cultural influences as a consequence of being a bordering city, will never tell you they are greeks nor will you will hear people speak Greek in public places because mos tof people learn Greek from Greek music and it all ends there.
The only thing that was achieved in Korca was that the church was able to start a series of misunderstandings between the orthodox and muslim community. However, they have constantly failed to make the orthodox community think they were Greeks.

By the way, PBDNJ is a party about human rights and if you just label them as the tool of Greek nationalists then they might as well become that. It is not like we have waited with open arms for a party advocating human rights.
As for the education thing, one prefers the University of Tirana, however Gjirokastra is the smallest city in Albania having a university. It is also the center of many cultural events including the Albanian folk festival. Also, arguing about whether saranda, Gjirokstara, Dibra, or Shkodra is more inmportant, well it is kind of...
Nopbody speaks Albanian in their electoral campaign. All the electoral messages are given in Greek. They hosted Nicolas Cage. They started the Himara incident during last elections where my flag was burnt and Albanians were called terrorists, while none ever burnt an hellenic flag in Albania. All of the people who were invovled in the incident were contracted by PBDNJ for their electoral campaign. None of them were born or even had family relatives in Albania.
I have been on UN conferences advocating for human rights, wether they were children rights, annviersary conferences for ICPD, anniversary conferences and declarations within the Beijing decalaration, wether they were ILO conferences on child/night labour...that's how I get myself a living. I have met Albanians throuth the way. None of them was from PBDNJ, nor does PBNJ have established any kind of relationship with human rights organizations in Albania. They have never advocated for women rights, children rights, ILO conventions on night work and child labour, juvenile imprisonment UN conventions, domestic violence...and the list goes on and on...They have only advocated for the rights of the Greek minority in Albania...and actually advocating for what they already have. They never advocate for Roma minority social inclusion. Now a few years ago they put a Greek flag in Himara and added the words "Albanians, welcome to spend to your vacation in Greek land!" (Miresevini, pushues Shqiptare ne token Greke). They were forced by other representatives in the parliament to take that away immediately, they did, so they are still safe ;). So boy, I hardly believe this "human right political party" thing.
And for GJR in relation to other cities, at least Korca, Durres, Shkodra, Vlora precede it in the cultural, historical and economical perspective and there are probably other cities that do the same. I still like GJR, it has nice houses. And yes it is home to some famous people down here, almost all of them controversial figures, almost all related to the Greek nationalists propaganda for Northern Epirus in some way. Funny the coincidence, I did not know they were all from GJR. ;)

Totally agree about its architectire values

AltinD said:
We are not talking about the economic and demographic importance of Gjirokastra (at least not me). Whaty I'm pointing out is that Gjirokastra has a cultural and traditional architectural importance, therefore should be protected and preserved.
Is one of the few pearls of our Albanian herritage, along with Berat, something that we should be proud to show to the rest of the world, unfortunatelly we can't do that sucessfully on their current conditions.
If there are a few and the list had to be short, GJR would definitely NOT be in my list.

If we Albanians want to forget that city, then don't blame our south neighbours for trying to get hold of it. If that happen, it will be OUR fault and not theirs.
Totally disagree. We don't forget it. They forget where they belong because their soul is cheap. They lack a strong national and cultural identity. We all know that if you declare you are part of the Greek minority you can easily get a VISA otherwise you get treated like you are some kind of sick animal trying to enter a human habitat by the Greek embassy. Some people find it easier to declare so, some people find it shamefull. I belong to the second group. Most of people in the very south are more and more grouping to the first which is funny and tragic in the same time. They can decide whatever they want though. They can, if they want, leave the cities and probably someone more patriot will go there and build something decent, someone whose soul is not for sale.
I don't blame Greeks for that. They are jsut doing their job ;)
I wrote quite a long answer but it does not worth discussing more on the matter.

GJ is a must visit in Albania, because it is a very special touristic attraction.

Other statements are not of any relevance to the thread.
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